For the RyanH Types

[chesty]

Since the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord's Prayer are not allowed in
most
public schools anymore because the word "God" is mentioned...a kid in
Arizona wrote the attached NEW school prayer. I liked it...


Now I sit me down in school,
Where praying is against the rule.
For this great nation under God,
Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the calls recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow,
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense: it's a freedom seen.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all.
In silences alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They have outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy', our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen

 

[Big Brother Val]

Right-fuckin'-on.

 

[chesty]

RyanH where art thee?

 

[Drizzt]

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AWESOME post my brother. Ya ryan where you at reading another liberal item 2 try and dismiss this can't forget about 2thickheaded either he is about as bright just has a better way of coming across as if he has a working brain.

Drizz

 

[Frackal]

Hmm....the Pledge of Allegiance is not aloud in schools?? You have to be fucking kidding me???? That, if true, is bullshit.

Now, about the lord's prayer, I think any kid can pray all day long if he likes, but the school should not sponsor it, if it is a public school. One religion, I'm assuming catholicism in this case, is just that, one religion, and public schools have no place in teaching it.

But I see no problem with kids being allowed to pray in classrooms as they like for whatever reason.

 

[Stillhere]

It is more than evident that the school system is setting kids up for failure.

 

[chesty]

If schools cannot teach relligion, then they cannot teach science or evolution, both have been viewed and used as a religion! Where does that leave us?

 

[WODIN]

Tiddle winks?

 

[MoneyBags]

science and evolution are real and religion is made up. schools have no business teaching religion. kids can pray if they want. no special prayer time is needed.

 

[BIG_I_69]

whoever wrote that "prayer" is obviously against condoms ...

 

[freshr1]

The Pledge of Allegiance isn't allowed in public schools anymore? Since when is this? When I went to school in the US about 10 years ago, we were required to recite it every morning.

 

[MoneyBags]

it is still allowed in schools, even though i think its gay.

 

[Frackal]

Science is as real as math is.

 

[Weapon X]

science and evolution are real and religion is made up. /QUOTE]

That's funny, I thought evolution was a theory. A theory treated as a religion by orthodox scientists.
Not saying I disbelieve it, but I don't believe that macroevolution is empirically provable.

 

[chesty]

What is the difference between science and religion? Both require faith and physical proof.

The pledge can be said as long as the word god is removed from it.

 

[freshr1]

What is the difference between science and religion? Both require faith and physical proof.

Umm no, science requires no faith. Sure there are theories in science, but that's because they havent been proven yet. Once they're proven, it's not a theory anymore. You start out from the basic building blocks of math/science and build on this. If I don't believe some scientific "fact", I can go look it up and retrace how it was proven. I mean the whole reason you're even able to see this message on your screen is a testament to the scientific method.

Religion is purely based on blind faith.

 

[Test boy]

Educational administraton is dominated by liberals. Liberals flock to higher education like flies to shit.

 

[chesty]

You are wrong. As a scientist I must have faith in my postulates or I can go no farther. Aristotle's time came up with the idea of the atom and of electrons. Yet no one could prove it. They lived on faith for thousands of yers until it was proven and even then only by inference.

What is the difference? Why must one be ignored while the other forced upon us? Why does the liberal mind fear the idea of god so much?

Scientists and others are threatened just as much by religion sometimes. But you don't hear of them clammering too often.

Why must I be forced to have tolerance?
Why must I be forced to have a relgion I may not want (science)
Why must I be forced t pc?

If we are continually forced into things we do not want our minds and spirit will never be truly free.

 

[conan69]

Chesty you are well spoken my brother

 

[primetime21]

science and evolution are real and religion is made up. /QUOTE]

That's funny, I thought evolution was a theory. A theory treated as a religion by orthodox scientists.
Not saying I disbelieve it, but I don't believe that macroevolution is empirically provable.

um, its alot more "empirically provable" than god.

 

[chesty]

Amen my brother. How goes the enlistment. Do I get to salute you yet?

 

[~HOUNDOG~]

Very good post chesty.

 

[damescleman]

Check out this info:
http://www.yasso.net/evolution/evolution1.html
It compares Creation vs. Evolution, very interesting points brought up.

 

[Puc]

You are wrong. As a scientist I must have faith in my postulates or I can go no farther. Aristotle's time came up with the idea of the atom and of electrons. Yet no one could prove it. They lived on faith for thousands of yers until it was proven and even then only by inference.

What is the difference? Why must one be ignored while the other forced upon us? Why does the liberal mind fear the idea of god so much?

Scientists and others are threatened just as much by religion sometimes. But you don't hear of them clammering too often.

Why must I be forced to have tolerance?
Why must I be forced to have a relgion I may not want (science)
Why must I be forced t pc?

If we are continually forced into things we do not want our minds and spirit will never be truly free.

Chesty... you are arguing semantics...

Faith and religion are two different things. You have faith in your postulate. You seek to prove your postulate. If it is later discovered to be erroneous, you abandon it. If it cannot be proven or disproven, it remains a postulate.

do some substitution...

You have faith in God. You seek to prove God's existence. If God is later proven to be imaginary, you abandon him. If he cannot be proven or disproven, he remains a postulate.

I don't recall a RELIGION ever saying GOD MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE, BUT I WE BELIEVE HE IS...

 

[Austin316]

Thats why Im glad I went to private school, didn't have to put up with all that bullshit. If I offend you because I mention God, you can go the fuck to hell for all I care. If you don't believe in it, then just don't say it along with the people that do. Next we're gonna have to take out "In God We Trust" on our money because of all this politically correct bullshit

 

[freshr1]

chesty,

you're making some bad comparisons and i really dont have the time to explain it all. if you really want to know the difference between faith in religion and "faith" in science, look up "the scientific method".

 

[MoneyBags]

You are wrong. As a scientist I must have faith in my postulates or I can go no farther. Aristotle's time came up with the idea of the atom and of electrons. Yet no one could prove it. They lived on faith for thousands of yers until it was proven and even then only by inference.

faith in your postulates isnt the same as faith in religion. thats a ridiculous comparison.

 

[PHATchik]

Awesome Post!!

 

[RyanH]

Since the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord's Prayer are not allowed in
most
public schools anymore because the word "God" is mentioned...a kid in
Arizona wrote the attached NEW school prayer. I liked it...

Arizona is typically a conservative Republican state, thus I'm not surprised that some child, under the guidance of his Republican parents, made up all this silly rhetoric......

Again, we are a nation founded on the separation between church and state, we have to do all we can to ensure that basic fundamental is adhered to tomorrow and next year, and forever. If someone needs to pray, there is usually a church just right around the corner...

Ryan.

 

[Austin316]

I don't think that public schools should force them to say the prayers or whatever, but if someone WANTS to pray, say the pledge of allegiance, etc. Fucking let them!! I don't give a fuck about your religious or non religous beliefs, so why should you give a fuck about mine!!

(this isn't directed at anyone on here, just in general)

 

[2Thick]

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy', our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

Wow, this guy is a bit racist...
I guess he missed the bible passage that says that he should not pass judgement on others...lol

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

So, now being an American Indian is seen as secondary and open to ridicule?

BTW- I read this piece of art a while ago. This is just a piece of right wing material written to anger right wing persons.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: For the RyanH Types

BTW- I read this piece of art a while ago. This is just a piece of right wing material written to anger right wing persons.

it looks like it also angers the left as well.

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Re: For the RyanH Types

it looks like it also angers the left as well.

Well if I may represent the 'left' for a moment, I wil say that it does not anger me. Rather, it just reminds me why I do not travel to the bible belt very often.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Re: For the RyanH Types

Well if I may represent the 'left' for a moment, I wil say that it does not anger me. Rather, it just reminds me why I do not travel to the bible belt very often.

no offense, but i wasn't talking to you.
im not a worldly man, though i have been to a few different countries, and ive lived on both coast. i find no difference in peoples mentality.

 

[musclebrains]

The kid's "prayer" is a pile of crap. It depends on the completely erroneous argument that religion can't be taught in school. It is certainly as acceptable to study Christianity in the way other religions are studied. The separation of church and state in public education is to insure that one religion is not PRACTICED so that children raised in other faiths are not marginalized.

There is a huge difference between TEACHING the history and dogma of religions and PRACTICING relgion at the front of the classroom. The failure to make such distinctions is typical of people who write "prayers" like the young propagandist in Arizona.

 

[danielson]

in my school muslims were not allowed to congregate to pray. christians, hindu's, jews, shintoists etc were. this was due to the school being terrifed of them.

i believe any person has the right to autonomy as a being. if he wishes to pray, assuming circumstances allow it at the time, he/she should be allowed. using this same train of thought, someone who does not wish to pray for whatever reason should not be forced to by whatever means are at the disposal of those who wish to make him pray.

btw a while ago it said here in the national curriculum that while religions of the major faiths should be examined in religious eductaion, christianity should be 'emphasised'. this basicall meant R.E. was not R.E. ....

 

[theoak01]

that is awesome man,they should bring the lord prayer back,maybe it will instil decency in some of these punk kids today

 

[Frackal]

The kid's "prayer" is a pile of crap. It depends on the completely erroneous argument that religion can't be taught in school. It is certainly as acceptable to study Christianity in the way other religions are studied. The separation of church and state in public education is to insure that one religion is not PRACTICED so that children raised in other faiths are not marginalized.

There is a huge difference between TEACHING the history and dogma of religions and PRACTICING relgion at the front of the classroom. The failure to make such distinctions is typical of people who write "prayers" like the young propagandist in Arizona.

Awesome post!!! My thoughts exactly!

 

[Frackal]

that is awesome man,they should bring the lord prayer back,maybe it will instil decency in some of these punk kids today

Oak:

Why should they enforce only catholicism based religions on ALL students in public schools? What if I happened to be buddist? Would I still have to recite 'the lord's prayer?.'

To the rest of you 'good christians:'

How exactly are you suggesting Jesus be brought 'back' into schools?

Prayer in classrooms? What prayers?

What if...the popular religion was......*gasp* ISLAM, and your little christian was forced to pray to allah every morning in school.

I bet you'd be screaming seperation of church and state then wouldn't ya?

 

[chesty]

Religion cannot be taught in the public school systems period. You cannot say a prayer, you cannot hold after school groups that are religiously oriented, etc.

And please don't subscribed to me that it is a piece of right wing shit. I am not religious, don't believe in god, nor do subscribed to the existence of any supreme deity.

But, I will tell you that it is just a freedom that has been taken away that was one of the reasons why we fought the Revolutionary war. And lo and behold some communist, leftist, religion hater comes along and gets the supreme court to state that having religion in school violates the separation of church and state. Freedom lost.

 

[Frackal]

Well I agree with what you've said above chesty, but I am honestly confused...in what other fashions is religion outlawed in schools?

I thought it was just the teaching of one specific religion was all that was outlawed...I'm shocked that the pledge of allegiance actually had to be edited because of PC bullshit...not THAT is an example of the left wing being ridiculous. Are you sure that's true? I honestly cannot believe that the pledge was taken out of schools.

Anyway....I'm just curious to know exactly what is and is not restricted in schools as far as religion goes.

I side against the right wing alot, but that doesn't make me a lefty...I'll be the first to admit that they don't want us to have more freedom then the right does, just their version of it. Of course they also have their 'newspeak'...a strategy to control thought by eliminating language.

 

[chesty]

It all depends on what the school can get a way with. Here where I am at, a christian church waiting for their building to get built called the school principal and asked if they could use a room on sundays till it was completed. She refused to return his calls, finally he got hold of her and she told him no fucking way was he or anyone else going to use her school.

Get my point.

I am not sure about other religions like Islam, but Judeism and Christianity are big no no's. We had a moment of silence and even that was taken out because some dickhead female parents figured we were forcing them to pray anyway.

Pledge of allegiance is an on again off again thing. I said up through 8th grade and then no more.
BTW (she is black)

Ooops, that is not tolerant, now I am a racist, white cracker head pig that is oppressing the blacks.

 

[musclebrains]

Religion cannot be taught in the public school systems period. You cannot say a prayer, you cannot hold after school groups that are religiously oriented, etc.

Totally untrue. You just don't get it. You can teach ABOUT a religion in an appropriate context -- the development of Christianity in the ancient Mediterranean world, the panthenon of the Greeks and Romans, the Celtic ritutals, etc.

What you can't do it stand in front of a classroom and insist the class pray. Nor can you use the school property for groups to worship. Do not conflate the two.

You have churches to give religious instruction and for worship. Schools are not appropriate places for people to worship and receive religious indoctrination. Every effort to be nonsectarian in this respect ends up backfiring because of the growing number of
people who think religion of all sorts is harmful and they are certainly entitled, under the principles of our nation, to protection of their opinion.

Why do you have to advocate using the schools for the churches' role? Typically, conservatives are the first to object if the schools teach something they feel is the parents' obligation to teach -- such as, say, the proper way to treat gay people, or anything else that even suggests sex. Yet, these same conservatives typically are just fine with the schools assuming the church's role.

In short, they just want the schools to represent their personal opinions. It has nothing to do with freedom, because their way is at the expense of other people's freedom, even when they already have an appropriate venue, the church in this case, to accomplish what they want.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

What is the difference between science and religion? Both require faith and physical proof.

The pledge can be said as long as the word god is removed from it.

Religion has no physical proof, nor does it require it. All you need is faith.

oops, this had already been stated.

If you really look at it, all this 'liberalist and PC crap' that some of you guys are so against merely tries to make the most number of people from different walks of life feel comfortable and non-threatened.

 

[musclebrains]

Exactly. The real objective is to privilege a particular point of view, not to protect many points of view. (It's the same reason "multi-culturalism" has become reviled.)

And then, of course, they claim the very effort to protect many points of view is itself a privileging of one view. Groan.

 

[Delinquent]

Religion cannot be taught in the public school systems period. You cannot say a prayer, you cannot hold after school groups that are religiously oriented, etc.

Sorry but I took a Humanities class in high school in which the teacher spent about two hours total on eastern religion and guess how much on Christianity? four two hour classes and two 50 minute classes because of block scheduling. So that's two weeks. I also used to live in the heart of the baptist bible belt so we may have been an exception.