For Open Minded Thinkers Only

[Ulter]

Your old teacher was Mark Twain?

 

[thx9000]

Your old teacher was Mark Twain?

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics" --Benjamin Disraeli

 

[Lift Chief]

Your old teacher was Mark Twain?

Zing!

 

[bigp3]

Nelson

I do not always agree with what you say,, but you made a good point with this one. We are all here to learn and the open discussion on this board by everone leads to our education.

Keep the info flowing

 

[Nelson Montana]

One of my old teachers would always say there are three types of lies, big lies, small lies and statistics.

That's a great quote.

RIO: I'm a little surprised. I thought you of all people would get my point. I never said that others should offer studies and I shouldn't, or that my experience is enough. I know I would never say that because it's ridiculous and it's stuff like that which frustrates me because it goes against all I believe. To put it in siple terms, I'm saying that a poorly conducted study is as valueless as no study at all, and it too many cases it's worse since people tend to believe studies, no matter how inanccurate they are.

And incidentally, I read over a hundred studies gathering information for The Bodybuilding Truth, but I'm not a reference guy. I just think it's boring and "text book like" and I feel my job as a writer, in part, is to entertain. Some guys love that text book stuff. To each his own. Utimately, it doesn't matter because for every study that says one thing, another study says another. What's the point of just picking a side? I'd rather use deduction and present my reasoning. But hey, some people just want the studies. The funny thing is, one guy who posted on this thread accused me of just offering science without experience. How can I possibly be guilty of both sides of the issue???. It's just another example of people choosing ridicule over analysis.

Much of what is espoused here is (or should be) intelectual debate, and that should include the interpretation of studies -- especially those conducted for bodybuilding purposes because they tend to not be very well funded.

However, if I say something like, I worked for a supplement company and I saw THIS -- that is not an opinion. You may chose not to believe what I'm saying is accurate, but that's a seperate issue.

If I'm not mistaken, what ulter is saying is; " They only go after the guy who's carrying the ball."

I'm not sure what Silent Method is saying.

 

[jubei]

I find it is difficult to reason with teenagers, and I'm sure this board is full of them. I'm only 22 but trying to reason with a 16 year old is very exhausting for me.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

I couldn't do it, JA...sorry.

Had to delete this post folks.

 

[Juice Authority]

Owned again! Keep digging Nelson.

 

[Lestat]

excellent post!

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Nelson, lets just deal with logic, since it is what you question and where your strength is.

You agree that more muscle burns fat.
You state that the body burns muscle before fat, but carbs before either.

In the absence of carbs, then you assert that the body will burn muscle first.

So reconcile the following two aspects:

More muscle burns fat.
The body burns muscle before it burns fat.

They are your position, and to me, defy logic.