? for Nandi...Prostate problems!

[biganth01]

Would it be ok to take Finesteride(sp?) with my following cycle?

800mg prop/week
75mg tren ed
50mg Ox ed

Got a dull ache and dribbling a bit after urinating! Read somewhere that you shouldnt take finesteride with deca or tren as it will speed up hairloss,is this true? I get a little shedding with on a cycle to start with!Any other ideas,natural alternatives or other meds i could use to help.Also,read that finesteride will lower sex drive,i take it that it wont matter if you are on a cycle?Any help appreciated.Thanks

 

[McBane]

I am pretty sure you can take finastride with tren but I'd like to hear from someone else to be 100% sure.

 

[nandi12]

I have never seen any research showing that finasteride makes tren a more potent androgen receptor binder, like with deca. If you are concerned about your prostate and are taking that much prop, the finasteride would be a good idea. Some men do experience impotence and/or a loss of sex drive, but I would bet all the prop you are taking would overcome that.

You should avoid ephedrine if you are having urinary symptoms like you describe. It is an alpha 1 receptor agonist that constricts the muscles at the base of your bladder making it hard to pee.

I went through this and suffered urinary retention and an enlarged prostate the ultimately caused a prostate and bladder infection, and bladder hypertrophy from the bladder always trying to force out the urine. If you are experiencing aching, you could have a prostate infection. You might consider getting your prostate checked before you start that cycle.

The bladder hypertrophy in my case never went away. The muscles of the bladder just stayed thickened and hence I still have to get up 2 or three times during the night to pee, years after the infection and enlarged prostate went away ( with antibiotics and proscar). This is why I am urging you to be cautious.

 

[biganth01]

Thanks for the input,i am mid cycle,just finished 5 weeks of EQ,Cyp and Dbol,been on the Prop 10 days,do you think i should quit the cycle? The main problem is lack of flow and dribbling when im finished! So in your opinion,procar is ok with tren?What dose should i use,5mg/day?

 

[nandi12]

It's hard to say. That is the standard dosage to block the conversion of a significant portion of a man's NATURAL test into DHT. Your test levels are going to be a lot higher because of all the prop. I would take at least 5mg and maybe double it if you have enough to do that.

Your symptoms sound pretty classic for an enlarged prostate. It would be irresponsible of me to tell you to continue with the test, but I know that's not what you want to hear. If I started getting those symptoms, knowing what I know now and having been through it, I would either quit or cut way back on the test. I don't use a lot of test anymore for that reason.

If you decide to continue, you are smart to use the Proscar. I wish I had a straightforward answer and be able to say: Do this and it will take care of the problem. The only sure fire way to do that is quit the test.

 

[biganth01]

What about the tren?,read a thread on this board someone stating that they had trouble with thier prostate when using Genericos OX,this is what i am using at the moment! They said they thought there was something else is those caps besides the ox,have you heard this before.Taking 6 iu GH per day also,so dont want to stop suddenly if i can help it,but will if the proscar doesnt help! Might cut the prop down to 400mg and add a little primo,what do you think?

 

[nandi12]

Cutting back on the prop is a good idea. The GH isn't contributing at all to the best of my knowledge. There are epidemiological links between high IGF-1 levels and prostate cancer, but controlled studies of GH administration have shown no increase in PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen) levels. I can't say about the OX. You could try saw palmetto as well, make sure you don't use ephedrine like I mentioned (that goes for OTC sleep stuff like diphenhydramine as well).

Remember primo is related to DHT; they are both 5 alpha reduced. I don't know what the implications of that are for the prostate. Any androgen can cause prostatic enlargement; DHT is just worse than test because it binds more strongly to the androgen receptor. At high concentrations any AAS will have that effect.

MENT, 7 alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone, is a well studied example. It cannot be 5 alpha reduced, yet its ability to increase prostate weight in rats is 4 times that of testosterone (1). So the strength of AR binding and the concentration is what really seems to matter. The thing about MENT is that it is so anabolic, only a tiny bit is required for replacement therapy, much less than the amount of test that would be required. So litle is needed that the prostate actually shrinks in rats that are put on MENT therapy. This shows how important concentration is.

So yes, tren could contribute to prostate enlargement in theory.

(1) Endocrinology 1992 Jun;130(6):3677-83

The biological activity of 7 alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone is not amplified in male reproductive tract as is that of testosterone.

Kumar N, Didolkar AK, Monder C, Bardin CW, Sundaram K.

 

[biganth01]

Thanks for the input,appreciate it.As i type this,i have just woken up sweating buckets,feel like shit! Seems like my problem started a while back when i think.Never had problems with prostate before,the only new things i have used are Tren and Proviron! So it probably DHT sides im having the problems with,as i have done high dose test cycles in the past without problems,could possibly have an infection of some sort with all the sweating and feeling ill,going to see the doc asap!