football and gear.

[K13]

This conversation is stupid there are a lot of races which have genetically gifted individuals. I dont know why blacks are the focus here. Last I recall a certain country from where a certain Governor comes from has a good number of genetically gifted individuals. Do you guys think Ethiopians are genetically gifted?

drl: dude no offense but you are picking 4 people to base youre opinion on a whole race of people. Do you not see a flaw in youre research?

Ethiopian are east africa, therefore genetically gifted in long distance running. not in muscle building or sprints.

 

[drl]

drl: dude no offense but you are picking 4 people to base youre opinion on a whole race of people. Do you not see a flaw in youre research?[/QUOTE]

no worries- it's more like 200-300 kids i have played ball w/, ran track w/, etc during college, high school, and middle school- it's a pretty big cross-section i've never heard of a black dude that i played ball w/ juicing, and we are kinda like girls talking about cosmo and shit when it comes to stuff like this, lol. everybody talks to everybody about everything (if we were bitches, i guess it would be called gossip), so motherfuckers know who does what. i was just giving a specific example, and it pertaining to a couple of guys who WILL be in the nfl in a couple years (both these guys are in the top ten @ their positiions in draft ranking). both these guys are world class athletes w/ excellent genetics, so maybe i just picked the "best of the best" in this situation- but they don't use and they are going in the league- i guess that was the original question before we got kinda off-topic

 

[DR_KODIAK]

i was just wondering if ya'll thought most of, some of, or hardly any of them use or have used gear?
i mean even if some are not using (like linemen in particular) these guys are massive. only about 25 years ago it was very rare to find any these guys weighing in at over 300 lbs, now anything under 3 is conciderd small. look at larry allen for the cowboys. weighs 340 or so, benches 700 lbs and squats 900! are pepole just getting bigger each generation (i mean taller too) in general? i know im 5 inches taller then my father and hes 3 taller then his was.
anyways i was looking at the skill position players on sat from college then today from the pro's, there is a HUGE difference in muscle mass, even on the rookie NFL players. my opinion from the college guys was, i dont think many of them use gear. on the linemen its hard to tell cause they are so massive, but at the skill positions where you need to be a lot leaner the guys on sat. just didnt have the vascularity nor muscle maturity of somone who use juice. my conclusion of the NFL players is most of them have used! i also realize the NFL is the cream of the crop of the college guys, plus they now have all the time in the world to work on building muscle.
i just wanted to see what some of your opinions were on this topic, plus if there is anyone in here who has played at least college ball, what the truth is here?

Dood, next thing your gonna say is the Pope isnt Polish. dood just to let you know that lineman in the NFL Are Fuckin Excellent Athletes! They weigh 325 pounds and run a 40 yard spint under 5.2 that right their is pretty amazing. I used to play college football at a Univeristy in New Jersey and everyone on my team juiced. Believe it or not our field goal kicker juiced. The skilled players on my team were on juice but ill tell you what they loved right before games was crack, cocaine and adderall(my favorite). Because in college only a few guys can get away with out using steroids and rely on their natural talent to get by, but ill tell you their is only a handful. The one's that dont juice for some lame reason their 1st year always are the first one with money in their hand to buy a a cycle.I was never really a great athlete but i worked twice as hard as anyone on my team and used juiced which seperated me from everyone else. Because when i went into my freshman year i thought i was hot shit because i was benching 405 and squating 650. but ill tell you what i was getting handled by the guys that wernt half as strong as me. ONE REASON, SPEED KILLS. Anyways whatever sorry for rambling on. i hoped it helped

 

[boyer]

Dood, next thing your gonna say is the Pope isnt Polish. dood just to let you know that lineman in the NFL Are Fuckin Excellent Athletes! They weigh 325 pounds and run a 40 yard spint under 5.2 that right their is pretty amazing. I used to play college football at a Univeristy in New Jersey and everyone on my team juiced. Believe it or not our field goal kicker juiced.

He never said NFL lineman weren't good athletes. I think he was also talking about division one not "University in New jersy"

 

[tboy72]

Dood, next thing your gonna say is the Pope isnt Polish. dood just to let you know that lineman in the NFL Are Fuckin Excellent Athletes! They weigh 325 pounds and run a 40 yard spint under 5.2 that right their is pretty amazing. I used to play college football at a Univeristy in New Jersey and everyone on my team juiced. Believe it or not our field goal kicker juiced. The skilled players on my team were on juice but ill tell you what they loved right before games was crack, cocaine and adderall(my favorite). Because in college only a few guys can get away with out using steroids and rely on their natural talent to get by, but ill tell you their is only a handful. The one's that dont juice for some lame reason their 1st year always are the first one with money in their hand to buy a a cycle.I was never really a great athlete but i worked twice as hard as anyone on my team and used juiced which seperated me from everyone else. Because when i went into my freshman year i thought i was hot shit because i was benching 405 and squating 650. but ill tell you what i was getting handled by the guys that wernt half as strong as me. ONE REASON, SPEED KILLS. Anyways whatever sorry for rambling on. i hoped it helped

your kickers juiced too...god dam! lmao i would like to see some pro kickers on juice (there might ba a few) but they might hit fg's from 70 yeards out, but if they hit one that long they WOULD be tested. the linemen on your team were running 5.2 40's? fuck larry allen in is rookie eason was running a 4.9...........now thats fucking amazing for a dude that weighs 340 benches 700 and squats 900! and yes that is a fact. ive seen it for myself plus if you go to www.dallascowboys.com and click his name under roster they talk about it. im not knocking this at all, but was your school div 3? i heard they dont, or at least didnt test in division 3. larry allen went to sanoma st. witch was a div 3 school if he wasnt being tested at that time im sure he was on the sauce. i have a cloes friend when i liveds in houston who was a WR fro university of houston, he didnt use gear at all! he was white. he busted his ass too. he was pressing 225 for 22 reps witch is increadable for a non jucier white wide out. he wanted to juice so bad, but he said they di test he didnt want to get caught. he also had told me most of the wide recievers at the nfl combines could not get more then 5-10 reps at 225. i know my friend didnt juice cause he was always asking me to get him test suspension or any type of gear that will be out within a couple weeks. i didnt wanna be responsable for him being booted so i told him to go somewhere else. what position did you play? did they test div 3 at the time? and to play college ball at any level is an accomplshment!
thanks....

 

[K13]

don't think juicing would help with FG kicking

maybe golfers should juice more

 

[tboy72]

don't think juicing would help with FG kicking

maybe golfers should juice more

i think if they ran some var and prop they will keep there flexabilty, and if there tech is good it should strengthen there legs......no?

 

[K13]

i think if they ran some var and prop they will keep there flexabilty, and if there tech is good it should strengthen there legs......no?

sure it can't hurt.

I bet some of them are juicing anyway. why not?

maybe college kickers should start take something

 

[Mikus]

riiiiight- i hate to burst your bubble, but i've gone up against black athletes (good ones) my entire life, and a lot of my friends are black- and it's just the way it is. they just have better genetics for strength, muscle mass, and speed- my boys and i have had this conversation, and they always ask me why i juice- to keep up w/ them. how many white guys do you see running the 100 @ the olympics? where did you grow up? wisconsin or iowa or something?lol i grew up in upstate south carolina (same high school as stephen davis; btw he was 6 foot 225 in 9th grade and ran a 4.4) and went to public school (60% black), and it's not a race thing or stereotype, just something that is painfully obvious. i have good genetics, but genetics like mine on a black dude are a dime a dozen, you just don't see many naturally jacked white dudes out there who are over 5'6", and that doesn't count, at least up against people i play ball against. believe me, i am glad i did go up against some of these dudes, tough competition just makes you better. in hs i got up to 210 w/ hard weight training, but a lot of the black dudes on my team who were the same height as me and who had the EXACT same training (started lifting at the same time, etc) i did were 20-30 pounds heavier. i didn't start catching up until i started to juice. i got a BUNCH of friends who are black, and most of them (including the ones i play football w/) are jacked up as hell and don't even know what a steroid looks like. i play outside linebacker and i am about 6'3" 240 and have juiced for a long time. our middle linebacker and other olb are roughly the same size, and they are black and they don't juice- don't need to. don't mean to ruffle any cats' feathers, it's just how it is- if you ever played ball w/ some of these dudes you would figure it out real quick.

Interesting points. I guess i come from colorado, and there are just as many genetically gifted white guys as there are black guys. I would have to agree with slash as to needing proof to see that black males produce more testosterone. There are some insanely strong black men out there, but same goes for every other race. You are just in a situation where you happen to be surrounded by genetically gifted black men. You can't base all of civilization off of that experience.

Mike

 

[tboy72]

Interesting points. I guess i come from colorado, and there are just as many genetically gifted white guys as there are black guys. I would have to agree with slash as to needing proof to see that black males produce more testosterone. There are some insanely strong black men out there, but same goes for every other race. You are just in a situation where you happen to be surrounded by genetically gifted black men. You can't base all of civilization off of that experience.

Mike

your right you "cant base all of our civilisation off that experience" but the name of the thread is FOOTBALL players so thoes are the gifted pepole im talking about