football and gear.

[BigGuns29]

NOT INTENDED TO OFFEND ANYONE!!!!!

But, I think politics, affirmative action, demographics, and the persons social placement in society play more of a role of where and how far somebody goes. Also, black scouts wanting to help their own out , etc.... I just cant think of one scientific shred of evidence that proves one color is more genetically gifted than the other. I mean we have endos and ectos , etc, but most people never even reach close to their genetic limits even with the use of AS. What about Sammy Sosa, or Brian Urlacher, or what about strong man competitions, ever seen one won by a black person? People just work with what options they have... You think Tiger Woods is great because of his Genes? A lot of practice and dedication...Also, out of the last 9 Mr. Olympias' onle 3 of them are black.

 

[Rod555]

Some excellent posts on this thread, a good debate! In all fairness though the nature vs nurture argument will never be won, its sporting prowess is a combination of the two.

 

[trenfan2]

"my opinion from the college guys was, i dont think many of them use gear. on the linemen its hard to tell cause they are so massive, but at the skill positions where you need to be a lot leaner the guys on sat. just didnt have the vascularity nor muscle maturity of somone who use juice."

Well, I see this post has taken a strange turn a long the way, but in answer to your inital question...There is no question that gear is pervasive in Div 1 A and Div 1AA ball. Do not kid yourself friend. I do not know many who have not been tempted by the darkside. Judging if someone has used or is using because they don't seem vascular to you (I presume on TV) isn't really any way to judge. Both "Skill" positions as you call them and others.
On a side note...I must tell you I kind of take offense to your characterization, because it assumes that someone who can block and tackle and protect those skill position from getting killed isn't skilled. That is defintely not the case.

 

[K13]

On a purely scientific note, blacks produce more natural testosterone than whites, therefore giving people the assumption that they have better genetics. Maybe that's the case, but as far as testosterone (natural production)is concerned, white people have less of it in their bodies.

i've read studies that its not true. just an assumption.

but other genetics traits are true, you have to remember black != black, west/east africa genes are tottally opposite.

 

[K13]

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle...54D1A2152C984C152.ba13?article=04-018-feature

take what you want from that.

75% sounds a lot better than 50%

90% of you juice just to look good/be bigger, you don't think people who have life, money, jobs on the line are not going to be taking whatever they can.

 

[K13]

"Blacks of West African ancestry tend to have mesomorphic physiques--muscular with a smaller natural lung capacity and a natural preponderance of "fast twitch" muscle fibers. It's not surprising that over 100 meters, the purest test of speed, the top 200 times, and 494 of the top 500 times, are held by sprinters who trace their roots to West Africa.

"It's a strong genetic component (that determines) what type of muscle fiber you have, either slow or fast," says Bengt Saltin, director of the Copenhagen Muscle Research Center, an expert in this field. "And West Africans [almost all African-Americans trace their primary ancestry to West Africa] have already 70 or 75 percent of the fast type when they are born."

Whereas West Africans evolved in lowlands, ectomorphic (lean limbed) East Africans, who have large natural lung capacity and a preponderance of slow twitch fibers, predictably, dominate distance running. Kenya, with but 28 million people, holds more than one-third of the top times. Including other East Africans, that domination swells to almost 50 percent.

Whites remain dominant in sports that place a premium on upper body strength over foot speed--shot put, hammer throw, javelin and weightlifting. It may play a role in the continued white presence on the interior lines in football (witness Ravens tackle Tony Siragusa, who clogs the middle of the defensive line)."

 

[tboy72]

"Blacks of West African ancestry tend to have mesomorphic physiques--muscular with a smaller natural lung capacity and a natural preponderance of "fast twitch" muscle fibers. It's not surprising that over 100 meters, the purest test of speed, the top 200 times, and 494 of the top 500 times, are held by sprinters who trace their roots to West Africa.

"It's a strong genetic component (that determines) what type of muscle fiber you have, either slow or fast," says Bengt Saltin, director of the Copenhagen Muscle Research Center, an expert in this field. "And West Africans [almost all African-Americans trace their primary ancestry to West Africa] have already 70 or 75 percent of the fast type when they are born."

Whereas West Africans evolved in lowlands, ectomorphic (lean limbed) East Africans, who have large natural lung capacity and a preponderance of slow twitch fibers, predictably, dominate distance running. Kenya, with but 28 million people, holds more than one-third of the top times. Including other East Africans, that domination swells to almost 50 percent.

Whites remain dominant in sports that place a premium on upper body strength over foot speed--shot put, hammer throw, javelin and weightlifting. It may play a role in the continued white presence on the interior lines in football (witness Ravens tackle Tony Siragusa, who clogs the middle of the defensive line)."

dam good post! except when you it talkes about the white guys being strong they have to go all the way back to siragusa....and he wasnt even one of the best back then...although he did make the pro bowl....look at sap.....Allen....gilbert brown......i can still name a whole lot more blacks then whites in this area too! wayyyy more!

 

[K13]

dam good post! except when you it talkes about the white guys being strong they have to go all the way back to siragusa....and he wasnt even one of the best back then...although he did make the pro bowl....look at sap.....Allen....gilbert brown......i can still name a whole lot more blacks then whites in this area too! wayyyy more!

the article is not the newest. but whites still dominate strongman competitions and powerlifting. espacially north/eastern europeans.

genetics play a big role in sports at the top level.

 

[drl]

shoot- i'll give you guys another pretty good example- for the last 2 years i have worked out w/ a couple cats (both black) in my area over the summer that play at other D-I schools, 4-5 days a week. these guys are good friends and hard workers, and both will probably be in the league in a year or two. the first year (this was after my sophmore year) one of these guys (who plays at wake) told me his coaches wanted him to make the jump from corner to safety, and they wanted him to gain 20 lbs. over the summer. he asked my how i did it, and i told him. he didn't really like the option too much, and he asked about some other ways (nutrition, etc) this guy was 5'10" 195 about 4% bf, he has a physique that most bodybuilders would kill for. i gave him a simple nutrtion plan, just increasing calories, and he gained 20 lbs. (up to 215) f'in in two months w/o any kind of drugs or even putting on any bodyfat! i had tried the same thing the year before i started doing steroids (during my freshman year when i got redshirted) and i gained weight, but i put on more body fat than i did muscle. i gained 20 lbs. but half of it was fat, and it slowed me down. but the next year, when i did my first cycle, i lost the fat and gained about 20 lbs. of muscle- just like my buddy, except he didn't use drugs- i think steroids just even out the playing field genetically, so to speak

 

[slash747]

This conversation is stupid there are a lot of races which have genetically gifted individuals. I dont know why blacks are the focus here. Last I recall a certain country from where a certain Governor comes from has a good number of genetically gifted individuals. Do you guys think Ethiopians are genetically gifted?

drl: dude no offense but you are picking 4 people to base youre opinion on a whole race of people. Do you not see a flaw in youre research?