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Fools in the gym that stuff themselves with juice and know nothing about the drug....

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GoFastMan

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I’m sure each of you know at least one of them... Last night i was out in a club with a few friends. One guy was 5'9" 160 9% or so, on a-50s and told me he planned to stay on them for 10 weeks. Then I asked him if he was taking anything to at least give his liver a little help... he did not know wtf i was talking about. I feel real bad for people who just go by what Joe blow says in the gym, and do not even take the initiative to do research for themselves.
 
LOL, I live in the juichead capital of the world....And some of the dumbest juiceheads at that....:rolleyes:
They all think they have to get "roid rage" and become arrogant assholes when they get on (that's the only way I can ever tell most are on :o...well that and their puffed up faces :o )
 
The Terminator said:
LOL, I live in the juichead capital of the world....And some of the dumbest juiceheads at that....:rolleyes:
They all think they have to get "roid rage" and become arrogant assholes when they get on (that's the only way I can ever tell most are on :o...well that and their puffed up faces :o )
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you from Jersey? as far as I know that's the juicehead capital :D
 
But there's a really part sad in the story. You actually beleive in liver help... My father has been on a "liver toxic" drug (he has a very rare disease) and he's been on that for more than a year. The physicians never recommanded him to take anything. He said that those liver protectant are basically bullshit and it has been proven too many times. They monitor his liver enzymes and drop the dose a little bit if it goes too high, but after a whole year of having his liver working with above 2.5 times the normal enzymes, the liver shows no signs of work. Not a single.

You guys just don't know much about liver, that's the real story.
 
Koivu_11 said:
But there's a really part sad in the story. You actually beleive in liver help... My father has been on a "liver toxic" drug (he has a very rare disease) and he's been on that for more than a year. The physicians never recommanded him to take anything. He said that those liver protectant are basically bullshit and it has been proven too many times. They monitor his liver enzymes and drop the dose a little bit if it goes too high, but after a whole year of having his liver working with above 2.5 times the normal enzymes, the liver shows no signs of work. Not a single.

You guys just don't know much about liver, that's the real story.
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Wow, I strongly disagree with you. Has he ever tried running milk thistle with this liver toxic drug? There have been numerous studies on the effects of milk thistle on the liver, and all have been positive. Ask a couple of people around here and you will hear how they have had high liver values that dropped after taking milk thistle. I know someone that is an NMD that was treating someone with Hep C with very liver toxic drugs and had them run milk thistle thru it and they turned out fine with liver values never rising. Where did your dad get so smart at? Did he go to school? A lot of MD's won't push the natural stuff because they never learned about such as saw palmetto which has been proven more effective and safer on the prostate then any drug they have developed yet, but the doctors won't recommend because most have never even heard of it and with all the drugs companies having so much interest in keeping it out of the market since they can't patent it and they have there own drugs to make money from.
 
Koivu_11 said:
But there's a really part sad in the story. You actually beleive in liver help... My father has been on a "liver toxic" drug (he has a very rare disease) and he's been on that for more than a year. The physicians never recommanded him to take anything. He said that those liver protectant are basically bullshit and it has been proven too many times. They monitor his liver enzymes and drop the dose a little bit if it goes too high, but after a whole year of having his liver working with above 2.5 times the normal enzymes, the liver shows no signs of work. Not a single.

You guys just don't know much about liver, that's the real story.
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are u serious?? lemme find you so i can take your head out of your ass
 
I swore I would never juice, because of every guy I met that did, didn't know shit. They were all bald, bloated bastards. Most of them were on D-bol (because they said it was safer than injecting) for months straight w/no PCT.

I'm glad I never listened to them. I was able to make good gains by getting my diet straight. Now, after being on this site for almost 6 months I'm ready. Thank God I found this site!!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Fools in the gym that stuff themselves with juice and know nothing about the drug

metzen said:
Wow, I strongly disagree with you. Has he ever tried running milk thistle with this liver toxic drug? There have been numerous studies on the effects of milk thistle on the liver, and all have been positive. Ask a couple of people around here and you will hear how they have had high liver values that dropped after taking milk thistle. I know someone that is an NMD that was treating someone with Hep C with very liver toxic drugs and had them run milk thistle thru it and they turned out fine with liver values never rising. Where did your dad get so smart at? Did he go to school? A lot of MD's won't push the natural stuff because they never learned about such as saw palmetto which has been proven more effective and safer on the prostate then any drug they have developed yet, but the doctors won't recommend because most have never even heard of it and with all the drugs companies having so much interest in keeping it out of the market since they can't patent it and they have there own drugs to make money from.
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hiya, im going to pull my "im a pharmacist" line just about now, and say that i did learn about saw palmetto, liver thistle, and reams of other alternative therapies.

i have said over and over that imo the way to protect your liver is to remove whatever is insulting your liver (the drug) and to keep it well hydrated, and supplied with appropriate substrates (good clean diet, vitamins etc...the usual)

there are many people out there who think that milk thistle and the like are a mithril vest against liver damage. they arent. im not saying that they are useless, but the studies i have seen are not convincing, imo. many are paid for by the sellers of the herbs, on limited population groups, with some shoddy study protocols.

anyway
 
yeah sure go for it. but there are some people that, instead of taking two steroid tablets a day, take milk thistle and 4 steroid tablets.

of instead of accepting that orals are liver toxic and injections are the way to go, they take the supps and use dbol or anadrol or whatever.
 
GoFastMan said:
I’m sure each of you know at least one of them... Last night i was out in a club with a few friends. One guy was 5'9" 160 9% or so, on a-50s and told me he planned to stay on them for 10 weeks. Then I asked him if he was taking anything to at least give his liver a little help... he did not know wtf i was talking about. I feel real bad for people who just go by what Joe blow says in the gym, and do not even take the initiative to do research for themselves.
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Damn, ain't that the truth! I was just talking about this to a friend of mine this weekend. It's a damn shame.
 
Re: Fools in the gym that stuff themselves with juice and know nothing about the drug

GoldenDelicious said:
hiya, im going to pull my "im a pharmacist" line just about now, and say that i did learn about saw palmetto, liver thistle, and reams of other alternative therapies.

i have said over and over that imo the way to protect your liver is to remove whatever is insulting your liver (the drug) and to keep it well hydrated, and supplied with appropriate substrates (good clean diet, vitamins etc...the usual)

there are many people out there who think that milk thistle and the like are a mithril vest against liver damage. they arent. im not saying that they are useless, but the studies i have seen are not convincing, imo. many are paid for by the sellers of the herbs, on limited population groups, with some shoddy study protocols.

anyway
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I'm glad you told them... I mean, he's fellowed by the best physician in the area (a specialist of his disease) and he gets blood tests every weeks. I think that the guys knows more about liver than anyone else here... Anyways. I have like 200 posts and my english sucks, so I must have very minimal knowledge...
 
In the red corner, we have Koivu_11 and GoldenDelicious. In the white corner we have everyone else. What are they fighting for Bob? They are fighting for your liver. Actually who the hell knows but it is entertaining to read. Milk thistle maybe, but I prefer lots of water and sex. Seems to keep me goin. :)
 
Re: Fools in the gym that stuff themselves with juice and know nothing about the drug

GoldenDelicious said:
hiya, im going to pull my "im a pharmacist" line just about now, and say that i did learn about saw palmetto, liver thistle, and reams of other alternative therapies.

i have said over and over that imo the way to protect your liver is to remove whatever is insulting your liver (the drug) and to keep it well hydrated, and supplied with appropriate substrates (good clean diet, vitamins etc...the usual)

there are many people out there who think that milk thistle and the like are a mithril vest against liver damage. they arent. im not saying that they are useless, but the studies i have seen are not convincing, imo. many are paid for by the sellers of the herbs, on limited population groups, with some shoddy study protocols.

anyway
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I don't really wanna get into a pissing constest with anyone but..... Herbs have not been as keenly researched as their drugs counter parts because, well, who wants to spend a 100 mil on something that cannot be patented for at least a billion? It would take some rich ass bastard to invest that kind of cash on a seroius scientific study and not be able to sell it. Sal palmettoe has been used for 100's of years in europe with great resaults. It kinda of pisses me off that people think just because its a plant its bullshit yet alot of drugs in the market today are from plants chemicals that have been synthisized, such as ephedra for colds, Opium for pain, etc. Do you really think that there would be as many opiod based pain killers that there are today if opium was legal? I think not.
 
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metzen said:
I don't really wanna get into a pissing constest with anyone but..... Herbs have not been as keenly researched as their drugs counter parts because, well, who wants to spend a 100 mil on something that cannot be patented for at least a billion? It would take some rich ass bastard to invest that kind of cash on a seroius scientific study and not be able to sell it. Sal palmettoe has been used for 100's of years in europe with great resaults. It kinda of pisses me off that people think just because its a plant its bullshit yet alot of drugs in the market today are from plants chemicals that have been synthisized, such as ephedra for colds, Opium for pain, etc. Do you really think that there would be as many opiod based pain killers that there are today if opium was legal? I think not.
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you have a point, to a degree. however, drug companies keenly look for new drugs, and let me assure you the first place they look is amongst traditional remedies/herbs. pretty much all the herbs ahve been well investigated to some degree (dont want to spend 20 mintues talking about drug development)

and as for your opium statement, well, yes there would still be lots and lots of opiate pain killers out there. that and a lot more addicts, too
 
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