Food For Thought...From a Pro

[poantrex]

Okay, so you want the King James Version. ...whatever.

Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

 

[Madcow2]

Get yourself together first before you go telling other people what is right/wrong and claiming that they are violating their faith. If you were perfect, you'd be doing something else with your time rather than berating someone else about their morality. There is a certain story about casting the first stone - maybe you need to reread it rather than spending your time pissing on other people.

 

[Themachine01]

I don't agree with that. He probably has great genetics. One extra rep, blah, I've heard some huge bodybuilders say the secret is never to go to failure.

I dont think that Ive ever heard of not going to failure.

 

[biteme]

I dont think that Ive ever heard of not going to failure.

I have but I've been working out 26 years and have heard all sorts of things. I remember seeing an interview on t.v with a top level pro and he said that he never went to failure. Something about increasing chances of injury I believe. I go to failure myself usually, but even when I don't, I don't see much difference as long as i bust my ass, I may cut it a few reps short on squats or leg presses so as not to take a chance on injury.

 

[Madcow2]

I dont think that Ive ever heard of not going to failure.

Actually, if you talk to the vast majority of strength and conditioning coaches in the world from Div1, Pro, and Olympic you will find that there are few things more commonly agreed upon than the fact that going to failure on any type of consistent basis is very counterproductive to growth. The only small subsection are the HIT guys who are a rarity and generally favor machines over the more common free weight varriants - and I don't think anyone disagrees that squats, deads, benches, and powercleans are bread and butter exercises when it comes to increaseing muscle mass and athletic performance so when I say HIT is one letter away from SHIT, you know where I stand on both their beliefs.

I shit you not on this. It's a BBing and gym rat thing primarily. The best in the business do not use failure on any type of consistency. They might choose a focused assistance lift and hit it hard for a few weeks (a la Westside/L. Simmons) but nothing like always going to failure on the majority of exercises.

EDIT:

This is a really great thread at meso. It is arranged in a series of topics. The author is one of the finest coaches in the country and he is as big and strong as they come. The whole thing is excellent reading and I highly recommend a complete read - it will be the best 20-30 minutes you spend for your training. The pertinent topic is #3 Dual Factor Theory (single factor being supercompensation which is the essence of training to failure but the typical BBer methods take it to extremes which are very very inhibitive to progress - meaning natural athletes won't do well and drug enhanced athletes will need to take quite a bit more drugs to get the same effect of a solid properly arranged training program). Thread is here: http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=12

 

[AAP]

I dont think that Ive ever heard of not going to failure.

Lee Haney... "Stimulate, don't annihilate."

 

[bicepts101]

enough of the religious shit...go start your own board about that shit..keep it off the anabolics section

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Date : January 9th

Name : Paul Baker

Height : 6'2"

Weight : 322

Incline Press : 315 x 20 reps

Cycle : 600mg Test Cypionate weekly

Training Philosophy : Never under 10 reps per set, never under 15 sets per exercise.

Cheeseburgers: 26

Pizza: Yes Please

j/k ---strong dude

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

GOd didn't say that, some men did. Rosa Parks and others sinned then. LMAO

You're an idiot, oh and nice bod after 20+ years lifting

 

[massatronic]

I read that a lot of the bible was mistranslated from the Aramaic. 12 'Apostles' actually meant 12 protein shakes and the Three 'Wise Men' were 3cc of sustanon.

The press is always trying to convince everyone that 'less is more'. First they claim steroids 'don't work they only let you train harder' and now its all 'ok we lied, but you don't njeed much.'

How many times has a white coat pencil head claimed that your body can only use 60g of protein per day? And yet as bodybuilders get bigger... so does protein intake.

Pro's are bound to play down what they use. Now everyone knows that they ALL use AAS they can't deny it but they can say 'but I don't use much its all my hard training and diet.' Whatever. I'm not saying that they aren't naturals, or that they don't train hard but if AAS makes you bigger it follows that the biggest are bound to be using them,especially when money is at stake.

In the case of genetics yes people are different sizes and respond differently to training and AAS but because of that the 'its my genetics' is used as the biggest BS in all the BB magazines. Editors telling kids that MKr O looks lkike he does with natural training and genetics to sucker them into training with COMPLETELY unrealistic expectations.

A top US pro was on the UK tour a few years back, and I heard that he got cut out in clubs wasted on E and Cocaine. If Flex interviewed him thenext day it would have been 'I get an early night and eat some warm oats as that gives me slow release energy and the sleep helps blah blah blah'