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Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testosterone

fistfullofsteel

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Fucking dirty smelly French rejects!!!!

LONDON -- Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone during the race, his Phonak team said Thursday on its Web site.


Phonak said Landis would ask for an analysis of his backup "B" sample "to prove either that this result is coming from a natural process or that this is resulting from a mistake."

The statement came a day after the UCI, cycling's world governing body, said an unidentified rider had failed a drug test during the Tour.

And the statement came just four days after Landis stood on the victory podium on the Champs-Elysees, succeeding seven-time winner Lance Armstrong as an American winner in Paris.

The Swiss-based Phonak team said it was notified by the UCI on Wednesday that Landis' sample showed "an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone" when he was tested after stage 17 of the race last Thursday.

Landis made a remarkable comeback in that Alpine stage, racing far ahead of the field for a solo win that moved him from 11th to third in the overall standings. He regained the leader's yellow jersey two days later.

Landis rode the Tour with a degenerative hip condition that he has said will require surgery in the coming weeks or months.

Landis Biography
Born: Oct. 14, 1975, in Farmersville, Lancaster County, Penn.
Team: Phonak
Pro wins: 10
• Born in a community of Mennonites, a branch of the Christian Anabaptist church, Landis bought his first mountain bike at 15 and won the first mountain bike race he entered.
• In 1995, he moved to California and became a full-time rider. Switched to road racing and joined Lance Armstrong's U.S. Postal team.
• Split with Armstrong in 2005 and joined the Swiss team Phonak.
• Won inaugural Tour of California in 2006 as well as Paris-Nice classic and Tour of Georgia.
• Battled back from nightmare 16th stage in the Alps to win Stage 17 and set up Tour de France triumph.



Arlene Landis, his mother, said Thursday that she wouldn't blame her son if he was taking medication to treat the pain in his injured hip, but "if it's something worse than that, then he doesn't deserve to win."

"I didn't talk to him since that hit the fan, but I'm keeping things even keel until I know what the facts are," she said in a phone interview from her home in Farmersville, Pa. "I know that this is a temptation to every rider but I'm not going to jump to conclusions ... It disappoints me."

Phonak said Landis would ask for an analysis of his backup "B" sample "to prove either that this result is coming from a natural process or that this is resulting from a mistake."

"The team management and the rider were both totally surprised of this physiological result," the Phonak statement said.

Landis has been suspended by his team pending the results. If the second sample confirms the initial finding, he will be fired from the team, Phonak said.

Landis wrapped up his Tour de France win on Sunday, keeping the title in U.S. hands for the eighth straight year. Armstrong, long dogged by doping whispers and allegations, won the previous seven. Armstrong never has tested positive for drugs and vehemently has denied doping.

Speculation that Landis had tested positive spread earlier Thursday after he failed to show up for a one-day race in Denmark on Thursday. A day earlier, he missed a scheduled event in the Netherlands.

On the eve of the Tour's start, nine riders -- including pre-race favorites Jan Ullrich and Ivan Basso -- were ousted, implicated in a Spanish doping investigation.

The names of Ullrich and Basso turned up on a list of 56 cyclists who allegedly had contact with Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, who's at the center of the Spanish doping probe.


Landis plans to have hip replacement surgery this fall to ease pain in the arthritic joint still aching from a 2003 crash during a training ride.


SO you're telling me that the guy who trailed him by only 58 seconds didn't use something???? Or he found a more clever way to beat the test???
 
I am so fucking bummed about this my hands are shaking. This is the one test I hope is wrong; I'm hoping maybe dehydration or something could have caused it. Anything....anything but a positive......shit shit shit.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

Dial_tone said:
I am so fucking bummed about this my hands are shaking. This is the one test I hope is wrong; I'm hoping maybe dehydration or something could have caused it. Anything....anything but a positive......shit shit shit.

yeah it sucks. even if the second test comes back negative, i think his win will always be tainted in many people's minds.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

kaalgsio2 said:
yeah it sucks. even if the second test comes back negative, i think his win will always be tainted in many people's minds.

No way the dude is juicin. . .friggin stick figure. . .test would serve no purpose. If he's positive, I cry foul. I could understand if it was a drug that promotes lean mass like gh or anavar or winstrol or halo. Even then, it's still going to increase his weight, which over the long haul (like in race like the Tour) would probably wind up being his undoing.

No way a skinny mofo like Landis is doing test.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

digimon7068 said:
No way the dude is juicin. . .friggin stick figure. . .test would serve no purpose. If he's positive, I cry foul. I could understand if it was a drug that promotes lean mass like gh or anavar or winstrol or halo. Even then, it's still going to increase his weight, which over the long haul (like in race like the Tour) would probably wind up being his undoing.

No way a skinny mofo like Landis is doing test.

the report just said his test/epitest ratio was off. didn't say what, if anything, he was taking.

hypothetically, it would help with recovery and preserve some muscle mass since those guys are burning thousands of calories a day.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

digimon7068 said:
No way the dude is juicin. . .friggin stick figure. . .test would serve no purpose. If he's positive, I cry foul. I could understand if it was a drug that promotes lean mass like gh or anavar or winstrol or halo. Even then, it's still going to increase his weight, which over the long haul (like in race like the Tour) would probably wind up being his undoing.

No way a skinny mofo like Landis is doing test.

Actually, test usage was/is common among pros. It would have to be suspension or they'd get busted for it more than they do.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

Dial_tone said:
Actually, test usage was/is common among pros. It would have to be suspension or they'd get busted for it more than they do.

my guess is nowadays they use something applied topically. less medical waste to worry about disposing of.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

Dial_tone said:
Actually, test usage was/is common among pros. It would have to be suspension or they'd get busted for it more than they do.

I understand what you're saying. . .you can use any compound while you're cutting and get good results (as far as muscle-sparing is concerned). However, I know what test does to me. Right now, I'm 10 pounds heavier and a fair amount leaner than I was last year at this time. . .even though I look better right now, cardio was definitely easier last summer with less weight.
 
They do it for the recuperation, not the muscle sparing. You don't have to worry about bloat when you're sweating so much that 3-20oz water bottles per hour isn't enough to stay hydrated.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
SO you're telling me that the guy who trailed him by only 58 seconds didn't use something???? Or he found a more clever way to beat the test???

lol

So he cheated but it's OK because the guy behind him probably cheated too? Did you say that when Ben Johnson left Carl Lewis gagging on his dust in '88?
 
Landis passed EVERY other drug test he had during the TDF. It's inconcievable that on ONE day he would take testosterone. I do NOT think anyone here believes a shot of test will work miracles in less than 24 hours and is worth the risk of being caught since you're being tested all of the time.

I too cry foul. No way in hell do we know if someone slipped something in his sample. Again the whole thing makes no sense.

it was only 24 hours between his test and he rode that day so why would anyone take test it does NOT work that quickly in the system.

Who knows maybe the stress of the race on his body made things out of whack, but i for one am VERY skeptical!
 
they said that every rider that tested positive like him beat the findings and were cleared. something is way off, not hard to imagine the fuckface froggies doing there best just hoping to find something.
 
BigRupe said:
Landis passed EVERY other drug test he had during the TDF. It's inconcievable that on ONE day he would take testosterone. I do NOT think anyone here believes a shot of test will work miracles in less than 24 hours and is worth the risk of being caught since you're being tested all of the time.

I too cry foul. No way in hell do we know if someone slipped something in his sample. Again the whole thing makes no sense.

it was only 24 hours between his test and he rode that day so why would anyone take test it does NOT work that quickly in the system.

Who knows maybe the stress of the race on his body made things out of whack, but i for one am VERY skeptical!

You have any official info? I mean do you really know he was tested?
 
Every day the top 3 finishers are tested then a few more are randomly chosen. Floyd finished in the top 3 five times. He might even have been tested everyday he was the overall leader, which would have meant another 1-2 tests.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

perkele said:
You have any official info? I mean do you really know he was tested?

each day they test the stage winner, the overall race leader, and 2 random people. not sure how many tests that works out to for floyd, but not many.
 
Dial_tone said:
Every day the top 3 finishers are tested then a few more are randomly chosen. Floyd finished in the top 3 five times. He might even have been tested everyday he was the overall leader, which would have meant another 1-2 tests.

Tested by WADA?
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

perkele said:
Tested by WADA?

The UCI (cycling equivalent of the NFL) does the testing, but WADA sets the rules.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

kaalgsio2 said:
the report just said his test/epitest ratio was off. didn't say what, if anything, he was taking.

Test would only be to high from test. Everything else shuts down endogenous test (as does exogenous test) but doesn't show up as test. . .in that case the ratio (test to epitest) would be off the other way.
 
this is big news around here, they even interrupted the regular Schlager program in the afternoon to talk about this.

I think he pwned himself, or his trainer pwned him
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

JayC9 said:

They probably got wind of the positive test, in which case the team is required to pull him out ASAP. Otherwise, he was getting about $40K Euro just to show up at those races so why wouldn't he?

Floyd Landis has broken his silence about his high T/E ratio that could cost him the Tour de France, as well as hammering cycling's already battered image. Landis, who has requested a B sample analysis to confirm his A test, told Sports Illustrated, that he "can't be hopeful" that the B sample will be any different than the A. "I'm a realist," he added. When asked whether he had used a testosterone patch for recovery, Landis denied it straight out.

But even if the B sample confirms the A result, Landis is not necessarily guilty of taking an illegal performance enhancing drug to boost his testosterone. Some riders can prove that they have an elevated Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T:E) level, if they undergo an endocrine test performed by a credible doctor. Landis said he will use Spanish doctor Luis Hernández, who has helped other riders prove a high T:E count. "In hundreds of cases, no one's ever lost one," Landis told SI.

In 1999, Colombian rider Santiago Botero was able to prove his elevated testosterone levels (over four times the allowed limit) were natural. His doctor at the time was Kelme's Dr Eufemiano Fuentes.

Landis is looking for other answers too. He is allowed to take cortisone for his degenerating right hip, although he said during the Tour that he had only had a couple of injections this year. But he also told SI that he'd been taking daily doses of a thyroid hormone to treat a thyroid condition. Even if either of these can explain his high T:E ratio, Landis realises that it will be hard to convince people. "I wouldn't hold it against somebody if they don't believe me," he said.

Others have looked at explanations such as the beer Landis had the night before his stage 17 exploit, citing a study in the American Association for Clinical Chemistry ( Vol 34, 1462-1464, 1988) by Swedish researchers O Falk, E Palonek and I Bjorkhem. In it, they investigated the effects of the ingestion of between 110-160 g of ethanol (2 g/kg bodyweight). They showed that it "increased the ratio between testosterone and epitestosterone in urine from 1.14 +/- 0.07 to 1.52 +/- 0.09 in four healthy male volunteers. The increase ranged from 30% to 90% in the different subjects studied (mean 41%). In cases where doping with testosterone is suspected, the possibility should be considered that at least part of an observed increased testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in urine is ascribable to previous ingestion of ethanol."

As a caveat, Landis was quoted at the time as saying that he'd only had one beer. A pint of normal strength beer generally doesn't contain more than 20 g of alcohol - a much lower level than was studied by the Swedish researchers.
USA Cycling's statement on Landis

As the national federation responsible for American riders, USA Cycling has issued its statement in reaction to the Floyd Landis case. USAC made clear that it would not comment on "any facet of any anti-doping matter out of respect for both the rights of the athlete and the due process. USA Cycling immediately refers all anti-doping matters to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) for processing and adjudication.

"'Respecting the due process and the rights of all athletes as a member of the Olympic family, USA Cycling cannot and will not tolerate doping in our sport,' commented Steve Johnson, chief executive officer of USA Cycling. We maintain a zero-tolerance policy with regards to doping and will continue to adhere to the highest standards of fair play.

"In order to protect the integrity and reputation of those athletes who exemplify the Olympic ideals and compete clean, USA Cycling is committed to working with the United States Olympic Committee, the UCI, the U.S. Anti-doping Agency and the World Anti-Doping Agency to ensure a level playing field for all of our athletes."
 
For his sake and for the sake of cycling as a sport lets hope the second test comes in negative but from those comments Landis sounds resolved to what might happen already.

What surprises me is how these athletes at the pinnacle of their sport find themselves falling into the same trap that continues to ruin careers and soil the name of their country, team and cycling as a sport, it's crazy. They know the rules regarding doping, they know they're going to be tested, they know all the parameters and can consult the board on any substances or treatments that may effect the results so why does it keep happening year in year out? How come they don't cover their ass in full knowledge that the test process may be flawed or if they do have naturally higher testosterone levels or are taking a legal substance that could possibly affect doping tests?

Same story, cyclist tests positive, team withdraws rider, cyclist denies everything and injects doubt with wacko chemistry results jargon. Look at how many different theories come out of the woodwork when someone gets nabbed, it's laughable and it happens almost every year without fail. It's a real shame that the Tour continues to be plagued by doping controversy.
 
I think it will go like the others. The B sample will be confirmed then he will get it overturned by proving above normal natural levels.
 
I heard he was chewing on a bombs throughout the whole tour. ;-)

Whiskey
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

Dial_tone said:
I think it will go like the others. The B sample will be confirmed then he will get it overturned by proving above normal natural levels.
DT, when I did my first research paper on this as a senior in high school the testing positive ratio was 6:1 from whatever benchmark I read. Is it 4:1 in all sports or just cycling?
 
BigRupe said:
Landis passed EVERY other drug test he had during the TDF. It's inconcievable that on ONE day he would take testosterone. I do NOT think anyone here believes a shot of test will work miracles in less than 24 hours and is worth the risk of being caught since you're being tested all of the time.

I too cry foul. No way in hell do we know if someone slipped something in his sample. Again the whole thing makes no sense.

it was only 24 hours between his test and he rode that day so why would anyone take test it does NOT work that quickly in the system.

Who knows maybe the stress of the race on his body made things out of whack, but i for one am VERY skeptical!

Or corticosteroids for his degenerative hip disease may have messed with his ratio?
 
bluepeter said:
Did you say that when Ben Johnson left Carl Lewis gagging on his dust in '88?

Johnson ran one of the greatest races I've ever seen that day. Drugs or no drugs, it was an awesome performance.
 
Re: Floyd Landis has been notified that he tested positive for high levels of testost

juiceddreadlocks said:
DT, when I did my first research paper on this as a senior in high school the testing positive ratio was 6:1 from whatever benchmark I read. Is it 4:1 in all sports or just cycling?

It was lowered this year for all Olympic sports.

Testosterone is an anabolic agent and therefore prohibited both in and out of competition under the World Anti-Doping Code 2006 Prohibited List (effective from 01/01/06).

This list specifies that the presence of a testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio of greater than four (4) to one (1) in the urine of a competitor constitutes an offence unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition.

In the case of a T/E result of greater than 4:1 and no other reliable analytical method applied it is mandatory that the relevant medical authority conducts an investigation before the sample is declared positive.
 
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