FlexyEvanOther

[Gambino]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376338&page=1&pp=20
bro, I think you should study and learn from this thread
a plumper is just what you need, something to practice on
you can refine your game thru trial and error with fatties
but this is not for the weak, you have to go low to get high
analogy: you don't get like needsize after one anavar cycle
it takes many and hard work
same with 'tang
and save the "But i just wanna a nice girl cause i'm a nice guy"
nice girls get swindled by dicks like jhbee
nice guys join the monastery
go fatty young one

 

[Gambino]

tough love
4everhung style

 

[Lestat]

i agree, i've told steve this many times, he needs to start at the bottom of the food chain and work his way up slowly.

forget that wait until marriage bullshit too, religion = behavior control

 

[Gambino]

i agree, i've told steve this many times, he needs to start at the bottom of the food chain and work his way up slowly.

forget that wait until marriage bullshit too, religion = behavior control

notice how the religion background has totally twisted his natural female interaction

 

[Lestat]

notice how the religion background has totally twisted his natural female interaction

yeah man, it fucks up men and women big time when it comes to sex, many NEVER recover or undo it. the worst is when people think of sex as dirty, something to be ashamed of, etc. Run from women with that mentality.

 

[hotzie]

def dude , just go for it man.

 

[Lestat]

try out myspace, its a gold mine for poontang

 

[Deleted member 33117]

try out myspace, its a gold mine for poontang

Werd. My wife and I are both on there. Chicks constantly send messages out of nowhere.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

try out myspace, its a gold mine for poontang

Werd. My wife and I are both on there. Chicks constantly send messages out of nowhere.

 

[healother]

First off, dont you guys think its a little crazy for you to ask me to throw my religious beliefs out the window, just so that I can get laid?

Secondly, why hook up with fatties if I dont like them? No one should have to force themselves to be involved with someone they dont like, no matter what the reward in the future.
If the physical attraction isnt there. Its not happening! Period!

I'm willing to die a virgin, and right now in my given state, I know that will likely be the outcome of my life.

I had no say over the way the Bible was written. The effect it has on people is huge. I know maybe I'm fucked up, maybe my brain is fucked up, etc, but I cant help it, and neither can you. Whatever damage is done, its done. No amount of "religion is BS" threads written by Lestat can change me. If Christianity was only meant to control people, it has succeeded and must have been the most elaborate prank in mankind, with magical aliens helping it succeed.

And in regards to myspace, I hate online dating. Face to face from the start is the dating route I'd prefer, if I decide to do any dating in the future.

 

[Lestat]

First off, dont you guys think its a little crazy for you to ask me to throw my religious beliefs out the window, just so that I can get laid?

No, not at all. Sex is universal, essential to our survival. Your religious beliefs are illogical and irrational and there are many other reasonf for you to throw them out the window, but getting laid is big one!

Secondly, why hook up with fatties if I dont like them? No one should have to force themselves to be involved with someone they dont like, no matter what the reward in the future.
If the physical attraction isnt there. Its not happening! Period!

Because the experience will do you good. Besides, I'm not saying you have to love them, or think they are hot, just be into it enough to work up a nice chubby and plug her.

I'm willing to die a virgin, and right now in my given state, I know that will likely be the outcome of my life.

That is ridiculous talk man. Its not a likely outcome, and no you are not willing to die that way.

I had no say over the way the Bible was written. The effect it has on people is huge. I know maybe I'm fucked up, maybe my brain is fucked up, etc, but I cant help it, and neither can you. Whatever damage is done, its done. No amount of "religion is BS" threads written by Lestat can change me. If Christianity was only meant to control people, it has succeeded and must have been the most elaborate prank in mankind, with magical aliens helping it succeed.

You have no control over the way the Bible was written, but you have control over the effect that you allow it to have on your life! You seem somewhat intelligent, do some reading, some investigation, take a hard look at what you believe and why, make sure it is for the right reasons.

You seem to put Christianity on a pedastal, but what about all of the OTHER religions that have taken a strong foothold in this world? How about the ones before monotheism because the popular choice? All of the egyptian gods, norse gods, roman gods. Had you have been born to any of those civilizations you'd be under the spell of whatever those priests and pastors told you. You are better than that, think for yourself, question authority.

And in regards to myspace, I hate online dating. Face to face from the start is the dating route I'd prefer, if I decide to do any dating in the future.

myspace is just an way to get in contact with people you otherwise wouldn't. You still do the getting to know them in person. You can just weed out people you are not attracted to or have NOTHING in common with very easily with myspace.

You're a young guy and have a lot of life ahead of you. If you stick with the religion thing, you'll be ok, but you still need to keep an open mind and allow yourself to grow when it comes to personal relationships with the opposite sex.

 

[Gambino]

bah, it's too late
flexy would be a good solider though
blindly follow his leader
noble
but at the same time sad

 

[Lestat]

bah, it's too late
flexy would be a good solider though
blindly follow his leader
noble
but at the same time sad

its not too late man, he's young, plenty of time for personal growth.

i'd have him in my infantry though for sure, loyal to the end.

 

[jnevin]

Jesus wants you to throw it into a fatty.

Mohammed just told me so.

 

[Gambino]

its not too late man, he's young, plenty of time for personal growth.

i'd have him in my infantry though for sure, loyal to the end.

reading his last post has me convinced he'll die unhappy in order
to please his master
waste of a healthy soul
and I'm just not talking about sexing in this thread
any contact w/ a female would be positive step

 

[Deleted member 33117]

reading his last post has me convinced he'll die unhappy in order
to please his master
waste of a healthy soul
and I'm just not talking about sexing in this thread
any contact w/ a female would be positive step

I couldn't agree with you more bro. I worry about this kid.

 

[Gambino]

I couldn't agree with you more bro. I worry about this kid.

that old thread of yours i bumped today is lol

 

[Deleted member 33117]

that old thread of yours i bumped today is lol

Bwahahaha yeah I saw. Good stuff right there.

 

[healother]

No, not at all. Sex is universal, essential to our survival. Your religious beliefs are illogical and irrational and there are many other reasonf for you to throw them out the window, but getting laid is big one!

why is it so irrational to believe that sex was intended inside the context of a marriage? sex brings about children. if you are gonna have children you at least better have 2 parents that love them.

Because the experience will do you good. Besides, I'm not saying you have to love them, or think they are hot, just be into it enough to work up a nice chubby and plug her.

i dont date women just to get experience. dating is not a career, its something you do to get to know someone you "LIKE" If I'm not attracted to the fatty, I cant like her.

That is ridiculous talk man. Its not a likely outcome, and no you are not willing to die that way.

principles matter more to me than results. I will do what it takes to abide by my principles. some men hire prostitudes just because they want to lose their virginity. I am not one of those losers, nor will I stoop to other low levels to lose my virginity.

You have no control over the way the Bible was written, but you have control over the effect that you allow it to have on your life! You seem somewhat intelligent, do some reading, some investigation, take a hard look at what you believe and why, make sure it is for the right reasons.

You seem to put Christianity on a pedastal, but what about all of the OTHER religions that have taken a strong foothold in this world? How about the ones before monotheism because the popular choice? All of the egyptian gods, norse gods, roman gods. Had you have been born to any of those civilizations you'd be under the spell of whatever those priests and pastors told you. You are better than that, think for yourself, question authority.

ive done some investigation and have come to the conclusion that the Bible is more likely true than false. I dont think any more investigation can refute what I've found. Plus I'm not a religious studies teacher or anything like that. Religion began with Adam and Eve, and since then many false religions have come about. I have questioned authority, and have come back to square 1 as a result.

myspace is just an way to get in contact with people you otherwise wouldn't. You still do the getting to know them in person. You can just weed out people you are not attracted to or have NOTHING in common with very easily with myspace.

i get sick of the super graphically ugly myspace sites. ive used other online dating sites with minimal results. too many guys, not enough women. most women look nothing like the pics, use pics that are 4 years old, etc.
i didnt get much attention with online dating with all the effort i put in. and the few chicks i did meet actually sucked.
plus right now i have no job and live with my parents. how am i supposed to get a girl right now period??

You're a young guy and have a lot of life ahead of you. If you stick with the religion thing, you'll be ok, but you still need to keep an open mind and allow yourself to grow when it comes to personal relationships with the opposite sex.

hmm, so as long as i have sex, hookup with fat chicks, and use myspace, ill be okay?

 

[Lestat]

oh boy steve,

The bible is true? I simply don't have the energy man. But good luck to ya.

 

[healother]

reading his last post has me convinced he'll die unhappy in order
to please his master
waste of a healthy soul
and I'm just not talking about sexing in this thread
any contact w/ a female would be positive step

im ok with contact with a female. but i dont think that making out with a plumper is the answer. i mean can u imagine how horrible a woman would feel if she knew that the only reason I was with her fat ass was because I wanted to "gain experience" so i could start somewhere and "move up" ?

Something just seems horribly wrong about that.

Plus its almost like humans are then treating dating relationships like jobs. where one starts out at the bottom and moves their way up. When should humans be compared to a frickin job? thats almost as bad as comparing a woman to a car.

but as i said before, im okay with kissing a girl, cuddling with her, etc, before im married to her. as long as the circumstances are right.

im also ok with dieing a virgin, if the circumstances arent right.

I am not codependent on females in this life. I am better than that. I make myself happy. Women are just a nice thing on the side, if I decide I want one at some point.

I couldn't agree with you more bro. I worry about this kid.

thanks for the thoughts maing. ill try my best to do what is right in this life.

 

[Lestat]

ok maybe I have a little energy,

forget the bible for a second, and lets just think about god.

So god supposedly created man right? Adam and eve as you say? He also created (designed) every animal too? Including the millions of different insects, individually?

Well who created god? Certainly for god to be able to creat something as complicated as the universe, the earth, man, and all living beings, that "god" would have to be incredibly complex.

Where how did it come into being? How did it come to know all of the complex laws of physics, nature, chemsitry, and biology that are essential for life as we know it?

The logical answer would be, something created god right? That is afterall what religious people use to explain why there HAS to be a god. The argument from design. We are so complicated, so beautiful, that someone HAD to have designed us, it can't be natural selection, right? Well if you apply that logic, you do get a god, but you also have to explain how that god came to be, and then if you do that, you have to explain how whatever created that god came to be and you find yourself in what is called an infinite regression.

Look at how life as evolved on earth. You start off with something very simple, and over time, through many small incremental changes, you end up with something wonderfully complex. All the evidence we have today points to the fact that matter, life, energy, starts off in its most basic form, and becomes more complex over time. Its not likely at all that we started with something infinitely complex (god) who created something basic, who has since evolved into something complex again. Based on our knowledge of the world, that isn't how things work.


And you say sex is for kids? sure it is. But are you looking to have kids now? We as humans have sex for pleasure as well. Some humans choose never to have children, are they not supposed to have sex then?

When you get married, will you only have sex to procreate, or do you think you might do it for fun once or twice? Why does it have to be within the confines of a marriage? Not everyone wants to get married, let alone have children.

 

[healother]

oh boy steve,

The bible is true? I simply don't have the energy man. But good luck to ya.

thanks. im not going to lie. its not easy living a normal life while trying to abide by what I believe is God's law. Many times I wish the Bible was written differently, and they left some of the sex stuff out.

I believe humans should be given permissions to do what they want even if it harms themself. Like I dont agree with seatbelt laws. Premarital sex laws seem kind of similar but unfortunately it looks like God wrote those laws and not the government

 

[Lestat]

thanks. im not going to lie. its not easy living a normal life while trying to abide by what I believe is God's law. Many times I wish the Bible was written differently, and they left some of the sex stuff out.

I believe humans should be given permissions to do what they want even if it harms themself. Like I dont agree with seatbelt laws. Premarital sex laws seem kind of similar but unfortunately it looks like God wrote those laws and not the government

take a step back bro, think about the existance of a god for a bit.

Also, MEN wrote those rules on sex. They also wrote rules on owning slaves and how to deal with all sorts of situations that we blatantly ignore today.

Abraham had many wives, and fathered children with concubines.

lets pretend there is a god for a second. do you really think he cares about sex so much? Its PEOPLE that care.

 

[JayC9]

Celibacy is the new cool.

 

[healother]

ok maybe I have a little energy,

forget the bible for a second, and lets just think about god.

So god supposedly created man right? Adam and eve as you say? He also created (designed) every animal too? Including the millions of different insects, individually?

Well who created god? Certainly for god to be able to creat something as complicated as the universe, the earth, man, and all living beings, that "god" would have to be incredibly complex.

Where how did it come into being? How did it come to know all of the complex laws of physics, nature, chemsitry, and biology that are essential for life as we know it?

The logical answer would be, something created god right? That is afterall what religious people use to explain why there HAS to be a god. The argument from design. We are so complicated, so beautiful, that someone HAD to have designed us, it can't be natural selection, right? Well if you apply that logic, you do get a god, but you also have to explain how that god came to be, and then if you do that, you have to explain how whatever created that god came to be and you find yourself in what is called an infinite regression.

Look at how life as evolved on earth. You start off with something very simple, and over time, through many small incremental changes, you end up with something wonderfully complex. All the evidence we have today points to the fact that matter, life, energy, starts off in its most basic form, and becomes more complex over time. Its not likely at all that we started with something infinitely complex (god) who created something basic, who has since evolved into something complex again. Based on our knowledge of the world, that isn't how things work.

something simple cant be created from nothing either. and even if we did evolve somewhere, what are the odds that it would have worked out as well as it did?
and where are all the frickin fossils from along the way? Oh i think a scientist found half of a big monkey skeleton called lucy and told us it was a neanderthal so that scientist must be right, LOL.

also, how are you going to explain the bible through evolution? the prophecies in there that have become true, how the bible hasnt really changed much at all via translations (proven by the very old Dead Sea Scrolls recently found), and how the bible is pretty historically accurate.

and how are you going to explain miracles that happen today? Pass every story off as B/S? What are you going to say when one of your friends tells you that you prayed and received a miracle. Or when miracles happen to you?
evolution might be able to explain how the world gets to where it is, but it cant explain how it keeps going and how miracles happen everyday.

And you say sex is for kids? sure it is. But are you looking to have kids now? We as humans have sex for pleasure as well. Some humans choose never to have children, are they not supposed to have sex then?

When you get married, will you only have sex to procreate, or do you think you might do it for fun once or twice? Why does it have to be within the confines of a marriage? Not everyone wants to get married, let alone have children.

of course humans have sex for pleasure and of course that is okay within the confines of marriage. if i get married ill do it for pleasure, and really i dont plan on having kids. but if suppose both control fails (not even the pill is perfect) itd be a lot better if I had a kid with my wife than some random whore!

for the people who dont want to get married, they dont get the gift of sex. it comes in a package, you cant seperate one from the other. sex is the reward from the commitment of marriage, (and im sure there are other rewards too)

for whatever reason, it has been taught biblically that fornication is wrong, and that sex stay within the confines of marriage. I dont know why God wanted that in the Bible, but I believe that God wouldnt have let BS get spewed in that book, so therefore I'm assuming God controlled and approved of the contents of the Bible.

I dont like that the Bible emphasizes sex after marriage. heck I'd like to have it beforehand too, but to disobey the biblical law wouldnt be right. Even in the New Testament it's made very clear that permarital sex is wrong. So, its not a law that can be disregarded.

 

[healother]

take a step back bro, think about the existance of a god for a bit.

Also, MEN wrote those rules on sex. They also wrote rules on owning slaves and how to deal with all sorts of situations that we blatantly ignore today.

Abraham had many wives, and fathered children with concubines.

lets pretend there is a god for a second. do you really think he cares about sex so much? Its PEOPLE that care.

As far as slavery goes, read this:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

as far as having many wives goes, I'm not sure why some people in the Old testament did that, but we all know humans arent perfect. not even humans in the bible were perfect. God announced in the book Genesis his idea of monogamy where a man and woman become one in the flesh.

Actually I think God does care about sex. It has a great impact on people.
Samson, the super strong guy (for those who dont know), was seduced by a woman he was having sex with. He later got betrayed by her, and was captured, leading to the loss of the Israelites strongest warrior.

In the new testament it is said that Christians should not be unequally yoked (involved with a woman who isnt faithful to God, etc). Also, it is said that if a man has sex with a prostitude it is similar to uniting the Body of Christ with her.

The relationship between the Church and God is likened to the relationship of a man and woman, many times in the bible. Have you ever heard of how the Church is referred to as the Bride of Christ? Perhaps that metaphor is used because thats the closest type of relationship on this earth to describe the relationship between us and God, and how close that relationship should be. God loves us like the way that a husband loves his bride (minus the sex part, cuz i mean God doesnt want to have sex with us or anything) but you get the idea.

And lets not forget about adultery and how much that gets talked about in the Bible, and how Jesus and God condemned it. God likened the act of worshipping other Gods as being similar to adultery.

 

[Lestat]

something simple cant be created from nothing either. and even if we did evolve somewhere, what are the odds that it would have worked out as well as it did?

The odds are low. But, there are appoximately a billion billion planets. And they have been in existance for billions of years. That is a lot of time for things to happen. I would say that the odds of something incredible not happening are low as well.

I know that a human can be created from an egg and a sperm, that is something big created from next to nothing. I know that everything boils down to energy, which we believe cannot be created or destroyed, but there is no way to prove that fully.

and where are all the frickin fossils from along the way? Oh i think a scientist found half of a big monkey skeleton called lucy and told us it was a neanderthal so that scientist must be right, LOL.

We have a decent amount of fossils, but we have something far more powerful, DNA. We share the majority of our DNA with primates. If we were supposed to be so different and so special, why would a designer do that? shortcut maybe?

You are employing a common theory, GAP theory. Religion lives in the gaps of science. If we don't have a fossible to explain a certain part of the evolutionary chain, religious types automatically assume that GOD is the answer. God lives in the gaps of science and those gaps are slowly being closed.

Scientists relish the unknown, it gives them something to seek. They realize that our intelligence and knowledge is limited, but ever expanding. Its ok to not know EXACTLY how the universe was created right now, we don't have to have an answer. Religious believers do, and of course it is god.

To create a fossile it takes some pretty specific conditions. We know that our earth has gone through a lot of major changes, it isn't any surprise that we don't have fossils of every organism that lived on earth. The lack of fossile evidences doesn't prove the existance of god. Are you telling me that you do not believe in evolution at all?

also, how are you going to explain the bible through evolution? the prophecies in there that have become true, how the bible hasnt really changed much at all via translations (proven by the very old Dead Sea Scrolls recently found), and how the bible is pretty historically accurate.

The bible has changed quite a bit through translations. The phallcy of the virgin birth is a great example.
you can find a great list of contraditions in the book here:
http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical Contradictions.htm

of course you can use faulty logic and circular reasoning to explain just about anything, the bible is no exception.

and how are you going to explain miracles that happen today? Pass every story off as B/S? What are you going to say when one of your friends tells you that you prayed and received a miracle. Or when miracles happen to you?
evolution might be able to explain how the world gets to where it is, but it cant explain how it keeps going and how miracles happen everyday.

I'm very familiar with the power of prayer and placebo effects and can explain those.

By definition, a miracle can never be explained.
an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause

of course humans have sex for pleasure and of course that is okay within the confines of marriage. if i get married ill do it for pleasure, and really i dont plan on having kids. but if suppose both control fails (not even the pill is perfect) itd be a lot better if I had a kid with my wife than some random whore!

for the people who dont want to get married, they dont get the gift of sex. it comes in a package, you cant seperate one from the other. sex is the reward from the commitment of marriage, (and im sure there are other rewards too)


for whatever reason, it has been taught biblically that fornication is wrong, and that sex stay within the confines of marriage. I dont know why God wanted that in the Bible, but I believe that God wouldnt have let BS get spewed in that book, so therefore I'm assuming God controlled and approved of the contents of the Bible.

I dont like that the Bible emphasizes sex after marriage. heck I'd like to have it beforehand too, but to disobey the biblical law wouldnt be right. Even in the New Testament it's made very clear that permarital sex is wrong. So, its not a law that can be disregarded.

PEOPLE wrote those rules man. Why would you follow those rules, but not all of the other rules in the bible regarding slavery, the treatment of women, etc?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Lestat, I tried to reason with him in many long long threads a couple years ago. Save your breath bro.

 

[Lestat]

As far as slavery goes, read this:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

as far as having many wives goes, I'm not sure why some people in the Old testament did that, but we all know humans arent perfect. not even humans in the bible were perfect. God announced in the book Genesis his idea of monogamy where a man and woman become one in the flesh.

Actually I think God does care about sex. It has a great impact on people.
Samson, the super strong guy (for those who dont know), was seduced by a woman he was having sex with. He later got betrayed by her, and was captured, leading to the loss of the Israelites strongest warrior.

In the new testament it is said that Christians should not be unequally yoked (involved with a woman who isnt faithful to God, etc). Also, it is said that if a man has sex with a prostitude it is similar to uniting the Body of Christ with her.

The relationship between the Church and God is likened to the relationship of a man and woman, many times in the bible. Have you ever heard of how the Church is referred to as the Bride of Christ? Perhaps that metaphor is used because thats the closest type of relationship on this earth to describe the relationship between us and God, and how close that relationship should be. God loves us like the way that a husband loves his bride (minus the sex part, cuz i mean God doesnt want to have sex with us or anything) but you get the idea.

And lets not forget about adultery and how much that gets talked about in the Bible, and how Jesus and God condemned it. God likened the act of worshipping other Gods as being similar to adultery.

So slavery was different back then than it is now is what that website says.

So sex is different now than it was back then, time to update the rules.

Lots of things are different now bro, one of them is that we know a hell of a lot more about the world we live in and can explain things without having to rely on the supernatural.

Do you know why men had multiple women? Because there were far more women than men. Men were killed in wars and even just out hunting and getting food. It made perfect sense for men to have more than one wife. I don't personally see anything wrong with it. I can have 10 girlfriends, why can't I have 10 wives?

I don't need the bible to tell me that ADULTERY is wrong.

ADULTERY is a violation of trust, a promise, it doesn't take an ancient document to tell anyone that violating someone's trust and a promise you made is wrong.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

steve buddy how you doin? long time no chat

anyway, cut a long story short, get on a plane and come to australia, since imo your whole belief system is going to fall on its arse once you have real live girls (courtesy of moi ) in your lap wanting to get naked

 

[healother]

The odds are low. But, there are appoximately a billion billion planets. And they have been in existance for billions of years. That is a lot of time for things to happen. I would say that the odds of something incredible not happening are low as well.

I know that a human can be created from an egg and a sperm, that is something big created from next to nothing. I know that everything boils down to energy, which we believe cannot be created or destroyed, but there is no way to prove that fully.

the thing is, in order for something as little as a human egg and sperm to be able to create a baby, the genes need to be very complex too (complex enough that our scientists still dont understand shit about it)

but i suppose on an infinite timeline with infinite universes and tries, a lot of things could happen. now why matter would be evolving on an infinite timeline is another good question.

We have a decent amount of fossils, but we have something far more powerful, DNA. We share the majority of our DNA with primates. If we were supposed to be so different and so special, why would a designer do that? shortcut maybe?

what's to stop God from improvising with similar designs? heck, the builder can do what he wants. Still though the human brain is eons beyond that of a gorilla, no matter how similar the dna may be.

You are employing a common theory, GAP theory. Religion lives in the gaps of science. If we don't have a fossible to explain a certain part of the evolutionary chain, religious types automatically assume that GOD is the answer. God lives in the gaps of science and those gaps are slowly being closed.

honestly i dont know if evolution is real or not, but even if it was God could have possibly used that to create animals and mankind. But there just isnt enoguh support for the theory for it to be established as truth.

Even if evolution could be proven true though, it doesnt prove Christianity to be false.

Scientists relish the unknown, it gives them something to seek. They realize that our intelligence and knowledge is limited, but ever expanding. Its ok to not know EXACTLY how the universe was created right now, we don't have to have an answer. Religious believers do, and of course it is god.

religious people can be scientists and solve questions too.

To create a fossile it takes some pretty specific conditions. We know that our earth has gone through a lot of major changes, it isn't any surprise that we don't have fossils of every organism that lived on earth. The lack of fossile evidences doesn't prove the existance of god. Are you telling me that you do not believe in evolution at all?

see what i wrote above about evolution.

The bible has changed quite a bit through translations. The phallcy of the virgin birth is a great example.
you can find a great list of contraditions in the book here:
http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical Contradictions.htm

of course you can use faulty logic and circular reasoning to explain just about anything, the bible is no exception.

ill check the link out when i get a chance.

I'm very familiar with the power of prayer and placebo effects and can explain those.

By definition, a miracle can never be explained.
an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause

not everything can be explained via placebo effect.
and not every miracle can be explained by science.

PEOPLE wrote those rules man. Why would you follow those rules, but not all of the other rules in the bible regarding slavery, the treatment of women, etc?

because a lot of the rules which seem unreasonable today were either cultural back in the bible, or from the old testament which was based upon tons of rules and many of those rules faded in the new testament.

 

[healother]

So slavery was different back then than it is now is what that website says.

So sex is different now than it was back then, time to update the rules.

Lots of things are different now bro, one of them is that we know a hell of a lot more about the world we live in and can explain things without having to rely on the supernatural.

Do you know why men had multiple women? Because there were far more women than men. Men were killed in wars and even just out hunting and getting food. It made perfect sense for men to have more than one wife. I don't personally see anything wrong with it. I can have 10 girlfriends, why can't I have 10 wives?

I don't need the bible to tell me that ADULTERY is wrong.

ADULTERY is a violation of trust, a promise, it doesn't take an ancient document to tell anyone that violating someone's trust and a promise you made is wrong.

the main update to sex today is birth control. which some religious people argue as a a reason for being allowed to be responsibly promiscuous. But it would seem then that the Bible would have made that more clear then. Back then men still "pulled out" of course, so then wouldnt they be punished differently than those who fornicated and didnt pull out?

steve buddy how you doin? long time no chat

anyway, cut a long story short, get on a plane and come to australia, since imo your whole belief system is going to fall on its arse once you have real live girls (courtesy of moi ) in your lap wanting to get naked

hey golden! finally figured out who i was? lol. I know its been awhile, i havent been on aol as much.

if a bunch of naked women made someone's belief system fall apart, they'd be one sorry individual, lol. you know i gotta stick with my guns and change on my own will not cuz of circumstances,
but thanks for the offer!

great to see you posting your interesting stories again on here!

 

[Lestat]

the thing is, in order for something as little as a human egg and sperm to be able to create a baby, the genes need to be very complex too (complex enough that our scientists still dont understand shit about it)

If you were to show a computer on the internet to someone from the dark ages they would have no idea how to explain let alone understand how it works, but it doesn't mean that something supernatural created it.

what's to stop God from improvising with similar designs? heck, the builder can do what he wants. Still though the human brain is eons beyond that of a gorilla, no matter how similar the dna may be.

I would expect god to create perfection though, not the imperfection that you see everywhere in the world. Of course Christians say sin causes that, but there is far more evidence that points to natural causes.

honestly i dont know if evolution is real or not, but even if it was God could have possibly used that to create animals and mankind. But there just isnt enoguh support for the theory for it to be established as truth.

Support doesn't = truth. That may be how you fell into the trap of religion in the first place. It doesn't matter if EVERYONE on the planet believes something is true, that would not make it true.

The theory of evolution is much like the theory of gravity. It doesn't explain everything, but all of the evidence we have today supports it.

Even if evolution could be proven true though, it doesnt prove Christianity to be false.

maybe not, but it at least invalidates the whole "creation" story.

religious people can be scientists and solve questions too.


not everything can be explained via placebo effect.
and not every miracle can be explained by science.


because a lot of the rules which seem unreasonable today were either cultural back in the bible, or from the old testament which was based upon tons of rules and many of those rules faded in the new testament.

Religious scientists are rarer than non religious ones, and those that are religious are usually very non specific in their believes and need to compartmentalize their beliefs in such a way that they do not have any effect on the known natural world.

Honestly, if people kept religion that way, seprarate from the known physical world, we'd have no problem with it.

I am not aware of any proven mircacles that need explanation.

You say the old testatement laws faded after the new testatement, I'd say its time for a lot of the new testament ones to start fading (and they are) for the good of everyone.

 

[healother]

If you were to show a computer on the internet to someone from the dark ages they would have no idea how to explain let alone understand how it works, but it doesn't mean that something supernatural created it.

yeah, but computers and a major coincidence or anything like that. they are just something flashy and high tec.

I would expect god to create perfection though, not the imperfection that you see everywhere in the world. Of course Christians say sin causes that, but there is far more evidence that points to natural causes.

i think that some people have traits that make them more susceptible to sin than others, but we all have to make choices.

Do you believe in free will?

Support doesn't = truth. That may be how you fell into the trap of religion in the first place. It doesn't matter if EVERYONE on the planet believes something is true, that would not make it true.

The theory of evolution is much like the theory of gravity. It doesn't explain everything, but all of the evidence we have today supports it.

all i know is that i believe that christianity is more likely true than false. its hard to just sit on a fence, most people believe one theory more than the other, and that will ultimately effect their lifestyle.

maybe not, but it at least invalidates the whole "creation" story.

some people though that when the age of the earth was predicted that the creation story had to fall apart as a result. Not so. The 7 days of time were taken more figuratively instead of literally. and it still works.

Religious scientists are rarer than non religious ones, and those that are religious are usually very non specific in their believes and need to compartmentalize their beliefs in such a way that they do not have any effect on the known natural world.

Honestly, if people kept religion that way, seprarate from the known physical world, we'd have no problem with it.

I am not aware of any proven mircacles that need explanation.

You say the old testatement laws faded after the new testatement, I'd say its time for a lot of the new testament ones to start fading (and they are) for the good of everyone.

i say its good to keep an open mind, but at the same time, to just throw religion out the door because of some new theory that is cropping up or because of some law which doesnt seem fair, is silly.

so many dudes and chicks disregard christianity because they want to be able to have sex without their morals bothering them, so they just choose to disregard christianity as a whole. if that isnt ridiculous, i dont know what is.

 

[healother]

dangit, this thread is going nowhere, and its wasting my evening away.

 

[Lestat]

yeah, but computers and a major coincidence or anything like that. they are just something flashy and high tec.


i think that some people have traits that make them more susceptible to sin than others, but we all have to make choices.

Do you believe in free will?



all i know is that i believe that christianity is more likely true than false. its hard to just sit on a fence, most people believe one theory more than the other, and that will ultimately effect their lifestyle.


some people though that when the age of the earth was predicted that the creation story had to fall apart as a result. Not so. The 7 days of time were taken more figuratively instead of literally. and it still works.



i say its good to keep an open mind, but at the same time, to just throw religion out the door because of some new theory that is cropping up or because of some law which doesnt seem fair, is silly.

so many dudes and chicks disregard christianity because they want to be able to have sex without their morals bothering them, so they just choose to disregard christianity as a whole. if that isnt ridiculous, i dont know what is.

I am throwing away irrational and illogical thought, I believe that there is a benefit to doing so in every area of life. Most people agree with me, EXCEPT when it comes to religion.

I am not sure how the bible could be considered true considering that it doesn't even agree with itself. You have to pick and choose what parts you think are true and which aren't. I prefer less ambiguity.

Do I believe in free will? Yes, in the sense that our actions are not scripted ahead of time.

And I feel its perfectly fine to sit on the fence when it comes to matters of creation. I don't have to invent a supernatural cause to explain away those things that I don't fully understand yet.

 

[healother]

I am throwing away irrational and illogical thought, I believe that there is a benefit to doing so in every area of life. Most people agree with me, EXCEPT when it comes to religion.

I am not sure how the bible could be considered true considering that it doesn't even agree with itself. You have to pick and choose what parts you think are true and which aren't. I prefer less ambiguity.

Do I believe in free will? Yes, in the sense that our actions are not scripted ahead of time.

And I feel its perfectly fine to sit on the fence when it comes to matters of creation. I don't have to invent a supernatural cause to explain away those things that I don't fully understand yet.

It might seem irrational and illogical to you, but to me or someone else, it could make sense.

if our actions arent scripted ahead of time, then they cant be predicted ahead of time, right? if it was just natural causes which caused us to sin, then it would seem that it could be predicted. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that free will cannot be predicted, and that 'we' are responsible for our decisions, including sin. this would explain why there is imperfection in this world. unless God wanted to create souls/people without free will, but why would He do that? Then they'd only be robots and it wouldnt matter if those robots loved God automatically without choosing to love God.

I think its hard to be exactly right in the middle on the fence. we lean one way or the other, even if we dont know all the answers. from what i gather, it sounds like you lean more towards evolution and God not existing.

 

[Lestat]

It might seem irrational and illogical to you, but to me or someone else, it could make sense.

if our actions arent scripted ahead of time, then they cant be predicted ahead of time, right? if it was just natural causes which caused us to sin, then it would seem that it could be predicted. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that free will cannot be predicted, and that 'we' are responsible for our decisions, including sin. this would explain why there is imperfection in this world. unless God wanted to create souls/people without free will, but why would He do that? Then they'd only be robots and it wouldnt matter if those robots loved God automatically without choosing to love God.

I think its hard to be exactly right in the middle on the fence. we lean one way or the other, even if we dont know all the answers. from what i gather, it sounds like you lean more towards evolution and God not existing.

if someone finds something that is illogical and irrational to make sense, I call those people crazy.

"agreeable to reason or sound judgment; logical"

I don't think religion agrees with the above statement.

 

[Gambino]

reading this makes me hate religion and the effect it has on people
turns them into illogical sheeple