First timer, thoughts on cycle!

[MarcelH]

Hey lads,
Read a load on this site and you all seem very helpful.
After talking to a mate decided I'm going to do my first cycle.
Don't hate on me for being a noob at this but what do you think?

Weeks 1-10 test e 500mg (Wednesday 250mg+ sat 250mg)
Weeks 1-4 dbol 30mg a day
Weeks 13-14 novaldex

Is this alright for a first cycle?

Some info on me

been going to the gym seriously for 2 1/2 years.
Started out at 6'2 130lbs now 195lbs 14% 6'2

Lifts
Bench 90kg (not benching now though fixing rc issues)
Squat 130kg
Deadlift 170kg 1rm

Diet
I eat a lot of oats with protein whilst working.
Chicken pasta rice and brocolli 2 times a day
I enjoy a lot if full cream milk! 2-3L daily (fits my macros)

I will keep a blog of the cycle and hopefully you guys can help me along the way!
Cheers, marcel.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

Cycle looks good

PCT sucks

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey lads,
Read a load on this site and you all seem very helpful.
After talking to a mate decided I'm going to do my first cycle.
Don't hate on me for being a noob at this but what do you think?

Weeks 1-10 test e 500mg (Wednesday 250mg+ sat 250mg)
Weeks 1-4 dbol 30mg a day
Weeks 13-14 novaldex

Is this alright for a first cycle?

Some info on me

been going to the gym seriously for 2 1/2 years.
Started out at 6'2 130lbs now 195lbs 14% 6'2

Lifts
Bench 90kg (not benching now though fixing rc issues)
Squat 130kg
Deadlift 170kg 1rm

Diet
I eat a lot of oats with protein whilst working.
Chicken pasta rice and brocolli 2 times a day
I enjoy a lot if full cream milk! 2-3L daily (fits my macros)

I will keep a blog of the cycle and hopefully you guys can help me along the way!
Cheers, marcel.

this is a mess... that is no pct at all man... you need a full pct and 4 weeks worth... you don't have any ancillaries listed and no ai with dbol? your asking for so many problems... Here is the full layout...

1-12 test e 350-500 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 gw-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-14 n2guard
5-12 hcgenerate es
13-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



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[SoCalMK6GTI]

$1000 cycle. Geesh

 

[MarcelH]

Thanks for the input guys,
Sorry I shoulda gone into more detail.
I'll do some more reading and get back to you guys.

Yes the price for a cycle is more then I expected...
Does nearly come to 1k.
Is that too much in your opinion?

 

[SoCalMK6GTI]

Price is always relative to income and willingness to "invest" in their goals. I've found scam sites charging $1800 for Test E so make sure you do your research and listen to the guys in this board who know their stuff. It will help you avoid being ripped off or using the wrong cycle in the long run.

 

[dylangemelli]

What makes me laugh is that noone ever takes in the fact that the entire cycle lasts nearly four months with pct... How much is that a month then? $250 a month and your ensuring the maximum results, full protection and excellent recovery... Seems like a damn nice deal to me

 

[MarcelH]

Price is always relative to income and willingness to "invest" in their goals. I've found scam sites charging $1800 for Test E so make sure you do your research and listen to the guys in this board who know their stuff. It will help you avoid being ripped off or using the wrong cycle in the long run.

I'm not sure if $$ are allowed to be discussed?
I'm getting mine from a friend who has cycled and his buddies cycle too.. So I'm sure I won't get ripped off and get it will be legitimate.

I'll get back to you guys when I get the goods.

Thanks for the help and input guys.

And Dylan you're right! 2-300$ a month is pretty good in my opinion.
Also thanks for the layout too

 

[SoCalMK6GTI]

What makes me laugh is that noone ever takes in the fact that the entire cycle lasts nearly four months with pct... How much is that a month then? $250 a month and your ensuring the maximum results, full protection and excellent recovery... Seems like a damn nice deal to me

I completely agree. I apologize if I seemed out off by the price, seriously I was trying to say what a great deal it was. I guess things really do come off wrong via text on a forum.

I think the plan is laid out perfectly and the price is affordable over 8-12 weeks.

 

[RickRock13]

Make sure you have your PCT covered bro. It's more important than the cycle itself for keeping gains, and recovering your libido and test levels quickly


Optimal PCT for best recovery:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

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[Aussi muscle]

this is a mess... that is no pct at all man... you need a full pct and 4 weeks worth... you don't have any ancillaries listed and no ai with dbol? your asking for so many problems... Here is the full layout...

1-12 test e 350-500 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 gw-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-14 n2guard
5-12 hcgenerate es
13-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



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G'day mate, just wondering why you don't run daa in your pct's anymore, any reason ?

 

[dylangemelli]

G'day mate, just wondering why you don't run daa in your pct's anymore, any reason ?

by adding phytoserms there is no need... its much stronger and has a far more optimal recovery and since hcgenerate es came out, you can utilize the regular version in pct as well... this is a much stronger pct...

 

[Aussi muscle]

by adding phytoserms there is no need... its much stronger and has a far more optimal recovery and since hcgenerate es came out, you can utilize the regular version in pct as well... this is a much stronger pct...

Sweet sounds good, il run this pct on my third cycle as I allready have this one set up

 

[dylangemelli]

Sweet sounds good, il run this pct on my third cycle as I allready have this one set up

wise decision bro!

 

[MarcelH]

Okay so I've received my 2 vials of test e.
Dbols should arrive this week (hopefully)
My mates already got arimidex for me free of charge
And is giving me some nova and clomid.
Ive also placed an order for testack17 and n2guard

So this is what I have so far. (Surely better then what I had first)

Wk 1-10 test e 2x250mg Tuesday/sat
Wk 1-10 n2guard
Wk 1-10 arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Wk 1-4 30mg dbols

Pct
Wk 12-16 nova 20/20/20/20
Wk 12-16 clomid 100/100/50/50
Teststack17
Should I have n2guard in my pct Aswell?

Not sure about this though but my mate kept 23lbs of 28lbs gained with a similar cycle.
However that was his second cycle and he told me he used 10mg of dbol first thing in the morning during pct on his cycle and kept more gains?

 

[bonacris]

Okay so I've received my 2 vials of test e.
Dbols should arrive this week (hopefully)
My mates already got arimidex for me free of charge
And is giving me some nova and clomid.
Ive also placed an order for testack17 and n2guard

So this is what I have so far. (Surely better then what I had first)

Wk 1-10 test e 2x250mg Tuesday/sat
Wk 1-10 n2guard
Wk 1-10 arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Wk 1-4 30mg dbols

Pct
Wk 12-16 nova 20/20/20/20
Wk 12-16 clomid 100/100/50/50
Teststack17
Should I have n2guard in my pct Aswell?

Not sure about this though but my mate kept 23lbs of 28lbs gained with a similar cycle.
However that was his second cycle and he told me he used 10mg of dbol first thing in the morning during pct on his cycle and kept more gains?

That means he's still doing steroids in his PCT. Thats not going to help him recover. Even low doses can keep you suppressed



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[MarcelH]

Yeah I wasn't thinking of ever doing that..
But he came off pct 4-5 weeks ago and has maintained his size.

 

[RickRock13]

Okay so I've received my 2 vials of test e.
Dbols should arrive this week (hopefully)
My mates already got arimidex for me free of charge
And is giving me some nova and clomid.
Ive also placed an order for testack17 and n2guard

So this is what I have so far. (Surely better then what I had first)

Wk 1-10 test e 2x250mg Tuesday/sat
Wk 1-10 n2guard
Wk 1-10 arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Wk 1-4 30mg dbols

Pct
Wk 12-16 nova 20/20/20/20
Wk 12-16 clomid 100/100/50/50
Teststack17
Should I have n2guard in my pct Aswell?

Not sure about this though but my mate kept 23lbs of 28lbs gained with a similar cycle.
However that was his second cycle and he told me he used 10mg of dbol first thing in the morning during pct on his cycle and kept more gains?

Running Dbol while trying to recover is a very bad idea and counterproductive, so don't listen to your buddy.


Clomid dose is too high in your PCT. It should be 50/50/25/25. Test stack is perfect in PCT, and you should get an AI in there as well. Either some Formastanozol or aromasin

 

[MarcelH]

Okay.
Just realised If I have 100 dbols and running 4 weeks that's only 84 and leaves me with 16.
Should I just run until I'm all out or make the first 2 weeks 40 mg ?

 

[bonacris]

Okay.
Just realised If I have 100 dbols and running 4 weeks that's only 84 and leaves me with 16.
Should I just run until I'm all out or make the first 2 weeks 40 mg ?

Or you could just keep them for another cycle.

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[dylangemelli]

Okay so I've received my 2 vials of test e.
Dbols should arrive this week (hopefully)
My mates already got arimidex for me free of charge
And is giving me some nova and clomid.
Ive also placed an order for testack17 and n2guard

So this is what I have so far. (Surely better then what I had first)

Wk 1-10 test e 2x250mg Tuesday/sat
Wk 1-10 n2guard
Wk 1-10 arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Wk 1-4 30mg dbols

Pct
Wk 12-16 nova 20/20/20/20
Wk 12-16 clomid 100/100/50/50
Teststack17
Should I have n2guard in my pct Aswell?

Not sure about this though but my mate kept 23lbs of 28lbs gained with a similar cycle.
However that was his second cycle and he told me he used 10mg of dbol first thing in the morning during pct on his cycle and kept more gains?

he may be keeping size now but he's going to be very sorry for many reasons shortly... you do realize how bad it is to basically run no pct, which is what he's doing, on top of continuously increasing estrogen, which is what dbol is doing and he is not recovering... you will see what happens soon enough...

don't just run dbol longer because you "have extra" that is absolutely the wrong way of thinking...

your running clomid WAY too high and just asking for problems... run it 50/50/25/25...

ABSOLUTELY run n2guard in pct... you want to keep size in pct? then you need to run ostarine at 25mg day in pct... SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators...

 

[Nelson Montana]

There are several schools of thought on what's best. Personally, I hate Clomid but you can't go wrong with UNLEASHED and Protein Factory POST CYCLE. They address the issues that occur in PCT and correct them. And you can use them until you're fully recovered.

Even if clomid works for you and even if you avoid the nasty sides, you need to start producing testosterone on your own and that's where UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE are invaluable. Get them first, and argue about everything else afterwards.

 

[MarcelH]

Hey guys I've started my cycle.
Just waiting on a few things for pct to arrive still though.
First pin last Saturday in delt 1ml and felt fine!
Mate forgot the dbols so i started them Monday, however turns out I got anadrol 50's instead. 30 tabs so 50mg a day for wk 1-4 split in two doses am/pm.
Second pin was on Tuesday night in right quad. Leg has been in pain since! Fuark! However feeling better today.

Already up 2 lbs and it's been less then 72 hours on the adrol, however could just be the slight increase in carbs I've been taking.

Next pin Saturday morning again.

Been sticking to my diet 100% since Saturday.
My daily diet plan is as following.
Meal 1. smoothie: 3 eggs, 3 cups water, 2 cups oats, 2 bananas, Greek yoghurt 150ml and scoop ON whey.
Meal 2. 1 cup oats, 500ml full cream, 1 scoop whey
Meal 3. Same as 2
Meal 4. Rice/pasta with chicken/beef and veg + glass milk
Meal 5. Same as 3
Meal 6 (post workout) 2 scoops powdered oats and 2 scoops whey
Meal 7 same as 4
Meal 8 4 eggs, cottage cheese , milk

 

[MarcelH]

Hey guys,
Just a quick update!

Ive completed week 5 tomorrow and im up 8/9 lbs already! Water weight most likely.

starting to notice more upper body vascularity, especially traps and shoulders.

My workout intensity has really increased and its harder to fatigue my muscles! Not feeling much if any soreness in muscles the next day either which is good.

however balls are getting smaller and emotions are out of wack... I feel worse then my bloody girlfriend!

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey guys,
Just a quick update!

Ive completed week 5 tomorrow and im up 8/9 lbs already! Water weight most likely.

starting to notice more upper body vascularity, especially traps and shoulders.

My workout intensity has really increased and its harder to fatigue my muscles! Not feeling much if any soreness in muscles the next day either which is good.

however balls are getting smaller and emotions are out of wack... I feel worse then my bloody girlfriend!

you need to get on hcgenerate ES asap bro...