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nextdoorboy

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Ive been reading five site forums fir about 3 years now. and ready. I dont think im ready, i am. History time:

I was really fat younger years. 240 lbs when i was 13yo. :(
Got into highdchool and said "ths isn't gonna work" tried the lazy approach with An abtronic belt from tv. got smart fast and said wtf. Did my homework. Realized my diet was a major issue. So i Changed everything i took in to the aykins diet, then modified again to a keto diet.
when i got down to a 160lbs, i said time to work out. So i started working out at 15, realized i was lazy again and seroisly started when i was 17. Got down to 140, realized i was doing to much cardio. I was too focused on being slim, not muscular.
changed it up again to do high reps at low weight and graduate to low reps with high weight, each workout. I still keep a low carb, high protein diet because unfortunately im an ectomorph body type.

Now im 25, 5'8.5 170lbs, 9%bf. but i can't push my body anymore. Tried otc supps, i eat like a beast. Seriously, 7 egg breakfast with chick breast, protein shake brunch, 2 chicken breast lunch with avocado, 2 bannanas and toast, protein shake to drink forn second lunch , dinner is red meat with sweet potstoes, brown rice and eggs, then my night cap is another shake. I drink milkall day and a gallon of water everyday. oh, and i snack on grape or cherry tomatoes all day. Well, not all day, but when im hungry. Religiously, minus the actual holiday day, i stick to this. I don't drink except one a month, i sleep 8hours and i have never touched drugs. At all.

So im ready. Im going to do a 10 week cycle of tren e and test e.
Week 1-10 test e 250 ew
Week 1-8 tren e 250 ew
Week 11-16 PCT pes erase 50/50/50/25/25/25
Week 13-16 PCT clomid 40/40/20/20

I have a coupe quartos i want specific opinions.on that, unfortunately, no one online gas asked and, if they had, I'm not typing in the right search words. Lol

?#1
Pes erase can be run during cycle i know, but can it be IN PLACE of caber/armidex?

?#2
Because tren and test fight fir the same space (receptors) by keeping them in equal proportions, is it effective? I DO NOT want to take more test then tren, being an ectomorph i could retain more water. However, being my first cycle, i don't want to take high volumes of tren. (and yes, i know ace would be better, but i want to kerp this discreet and my partner stays at home, so less pinning is key. Oh yeah, and money. Lol)

?#3
How much cardio should i continue? Currently i run 4 days a week, 30minute sprint/jog/sprints.

?#4
should, or could, i run a colon cleanse to help with extra water retention? Before or during?
MY MAIN GOAL IS GAINING LEAN MUSCLE, CUTTING UP AND KEEPING MY BF% LOW. Tiny waist, big everywhere else.

?#5
Tips of the trade VETERANS, not newbies. (nothing pretrial, but they know there shit and they have made mistakes too. They know guys our age are headstrong and will go forward regardless. I just want diet tweaks, workout tweaks, supplement tweaks, PCT tweaks. Advice overall.

Thank u t to those who read this whole thing. Means a lot. :-)
 
Too much. This is your first cycle, run only one compound to see how you react. Tren is among the most powerful compounds you can run, save it for a 5th or 6th cycle also start with ace first to see how you react to tren.

1-12 test E 500mg/wk
Aromasin 12.5mg e3d

Pct
Unleashed
Post cycle
Forma stanzol
Daa
 
3 years of reading should tell you test only for a 1st cycle.....nor should you run tren for TEN WEEKS, that's IF you ever run it

Are you saying you eat 7 egg yolks every day?

Question #3 can't be answered until you post you current training/cardio routine..

~EZ
 
Thanks for the responses. Ez_E, i do believe i said within that question my basic cardio. Add to that swimming lapis as my gym cool dow in regard to the tren for ten weeks, i said eight weeks. I saw it.on a forum on because it was so low a dose. I could do the last 5 weeks and double the dose i suppose. And my training behind tren is because i bloat quickly and easily and, other then oral steroids which are harsher on the liver, i haven't come across another that is good for lowering bf% and water retention.

Also, i am not moving forward with even purcgading until o have all these questions met, so it could be another year until i cycle. Im a tortoise, slow and steady.

Semper_03, id rather not pin thaT often when i do tren, so ace is out. I just don't have the time in the am. And 500 test e i know will make.me pop like a blowfish. Now, forma could be used in pace of that aromisin.but could i take the pes etase instead?

THANK U FOR YOUR INPUT. I'm not discrediting it, I'm taking it all in, that's why i joined a forum, to get actual input on my personal situation rather then someone elses thread.
 
I say ace because if you've never ran it before you won't know how you react. Tren has a lot of sides to it so at least with ace if you can't handle it it's out of your system in a few day.

The aromasin helps me with the bloat. I pin tren in my quads with 25gx1 pins and honestly don't really feel it an it only takes about 5 min to prep and pin.
 
Semper_03.
Valid point about the sides. I have heard a lit if people either watt. And, to me, the risk of a.side is part of any cycle, part of what everyone had to be ok with before a cycle. So for the sake of argument, if i did tren ace eod, id be.doing 75mg each time for how many weeks, according to u. Trying to tally the expense between ace and enan (tren).

Still, if u wouldn't mind answering the questions i asked to the best if your knowledge, id be reall grateful.
 
my friend, this is just a disaster waiting to happen... you NEVER run tren as a first cycle and its really not a good idea as a second cycle either... you also should run ace the first time you run tren to see how you initially respond to it but that's farther down the road... since its your first cycle, then its fine to start at a lower dose of test but if you run aromasin alongside then you will not be bloating at all... with your goals, you could go with test, and a kickstart of tbol the first four weeks... you could run winstrol on the back end or anavar and proviron... you need to lose tren from your vocabulary for now...

1-12 test e 500 mg weeks
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-4 tbol 60 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 hcg 500 iu's week or HCGenerate
9-14 anavar 60 mg day first four weeks and 80 mg last two weeks
9-14 proviron 75 mg day
9-14 n2guard
9-14 lipid stabil

PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa powerchews or powder
 
That looks like such a difficult stack to attain and remember times, when to do it etc. if i ran just ran test at 250 with anavar for the first cycle hire would that lpok and why are all these extra pct things coming up in suggestions. I men, site i have tread up on them and see/know what they do, but three more simple pct just include clomid. Especially for such a low dose.

And does anyone have any direct specific answers to my questions?
 
?#1
Pes erase can be run during cycle i know, but can it be IN PLACE of caber/armidex?

?#2
Because tren and test fight fir the same space (receptors) by keeping them in equal proportions, is it effective? I DO NOT want to take more test then tren, being an ectomorph i could retain more water. However, being my first cycle, i don't want to take high volumes of tren. (and yes, i know ace would be better, but i want to kerp this discreet and my partner stays at home, so less pinning is key. Oh yeah, and money. Lol)

?#3
How much cardio should i continue? Currently i run 4 days a week, 30minute sprint/jog/sprints.

?#4
should, or could, i run a colon cleanse to help with extra water retention? Before or during?
MY MAIN GOAL IS GAINING LEAN MUSCLE, CUTTING UP AND KEEPING MY BF% LOW. Tiny waist, big everywhere else.

?#5
Tips of the trade VETERANS, not newbies. (nothing pretrial, but they know there shit and they have made mistakes too. They know guys our age are headstrong and will go forward regardless. I just want diet tweaks, workout tweaks, supplement tweaks, PCT tweaks. Advice overall.

Thank u t to those who read this whole thing. Means a lot. :-)[/QUOTE]

1. Not sure what pes erase is but have bever used it. Also caber is a progesterone antagonist and adex is an aromatase inhibitor. They are used for two different things. You cant swap them out for one another.

2. Dont use tren for a first cycle. They both work extremely well with each other but tren isnt for beginners. So dont worry about the caber. Just adex for the test.

3. If you wanna lose weight then do cardio. If you wanna bulk then do very little cardio.

4. A colon clense wont make any difference to the bloat from test. Use adex to keep bloat down. Leave your asshole alone.

5. I need to see a training routine to tweak it and need to know your goals? For the cycle run it like this.

1-10 test e 250mg twice a week
1-4 epistane 40 mg day ( oral kicker that wont cause bloat and its cheap).
1-10 n2 guard to keep liver and health in check
1-10 adex 0.5 mg eod. To keep bloat and estro in check.
4-8 hcgenerate. To minimize test atrophy
8-12 hcg 250 ius 2xs week to make transition to pct smoother.
12-16 clomid 25 mg day
12-16 unleashed/ postcycle combo
12-16 daa
12-16 forma
16-20 bridge. To continue making gains naturally.

Any other questions?

Sent from my SPH-L710 using EliteFitness
 
pct is the most important part of the cycle... that's why the pct is so extensive... a basic clomid only pct is not going to do shit for you except make sure that your recovery takes much longer...
 
you got great advice and i won't parrot whats been said as it isn't even up for debate the points that were made to you. what is debateable is the cardio question you had.. my advice when it comes to cardio is at your size being only 170 and having such little body fat would be to ease up on cardio and focus on building more strength and size.. at your height you can spend the next year focused on bodybuilding and leave yourself room to gain SOME fat.. maybe get to 5 8.. 180 with 10% body fat. you would look pretty good at that size and i think you would be more happier. so maybe do some walking EOD.. don't do heavy cardio.. this is what i do. you can control a lot of things just based on diet as you know. too much cardio however is gonna make it hard to grow big muscle mass like what I have..
 
nextdoorboy said:
That looks like such a difficult stack to attain and remember times, when to do it etc. if i ran just ran test at 250 with anavar for the first cycle hire would that lpok and why are all these extra pct things coming up in suggestions. I men, site i have tread up on them and see/know what they do, but three more simple pct just include clomid. Especially for such a low dose.

And does anyone have any direct specific answers to my questions?
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Musta missed your current cardio routine...

Dylan laid out a great set-up.....If this is "too difficult" then you aren't ready for AAS....

~EZ
 
I have a small question. Why do you want to cut bf% when u r already at 9% too much more than that isnt a good idea. Muscles do need some fat on them to work properly ie not cramp or tear pull etc. are u an athlete? Because i am and i find being even as low as 10% for me i cramp easy and pull muscles Or is it just personal choice? I would say anything lower than 8% which btw is super low. Cuz personally im at 13% bf and my stomach/body is shredded. If u want to build real hard muscle why not just stick w the test and then cut what you want after Also i agree on the tren. It is a very nasty string unpredictable compound. It can definatly cause you potentially great harm if used improperly. I would get your feet wet in the world of steroid compounds before trying it. If at all. It does have some great benefits. It destroys fat and big stength gains. But the sides can b bad. Just my humble opinion i could b wrong
 
Krazie Apparel said:
I have a small question. Why do you want to cut bf% when u r already at 9% too much more than that isnt a good idea. Muscles do need some fat on them to work properly ie not cramp or tear pull etc. are u an athlete? Because i am and i find being even as low as 10% for me i cramp easy and pull muscles Or is it just personal choice? I would say anything lower than 8% which btw is super low. Cuz personally im at 13% bf and my stomach/body is shredded. If u want to build real hard muscle why not just stick w the test and then cut what you want after Also i agree on the tren. It is a very nasty string unpredictable compound. It can definatly cause you potentially great harm if used improperly. I would get your feet wet in the world of steroid compounds before trying it. If at all. It does have some great benefits. It destroys fat and big stength gains. But the sides can b bad. Just my humble opinion i could b wrong
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you are wrong... in fact you are very wrong... i am 5.7% body fat and am an athlete and have continued to put on muscle as well... everyone has different goals and if that is his goal then there is nothing wrong with it... you are not shredded at 13% man... you might have a good base but are far from shredded... there is nothing wrong with the goal here at all...
 
Ok maybe shredded was a bad term. And ya i do have a good base but for me and how my body works when i get down to 9-10% bf i start to pull muscles and cramp up during games. Im not sure what kind of athlete you are but personally there is no reason to b at 6% bf unless u r a bodybuilder who competes? And like i said cud b wrong. I wasnt judging him. He wanted advice and input i gave some from my experiences but it seems like is trying to do two diff results at once and that u cant do You either cut or u bulk. You cant cut/bulk. And btw a lot of people i here i have noticed think they r much more than they arnt i would like to see a pic of your print out of a 6% bf result. Cuz i am at 13 and i look more like 9-10. Just sayin.
 
Krazie Apparel said:
Ok maybe shredded was a bad term. And ya i do have a good base but for me and how my body works when i get down to 9-10% bf i start to pull muscles and cramp up during games. Im not sure what kind of athlete you are but personally there is no reason to b at 6% bf unless u r a bodybuilder who competes? And like i said cud b wrong. I wasnt judging him. He wanted advice and input i gave some from my experiences but it seems like is trying to do two diff results at once and that u cant do You either cut or u bulk. You cant cut/bulk. And btw a lot of people i here i have noticed think they r much more than they arnt i would like to see a pic of your print out of a 6% bf result. Cuz i am at 13 and i look more like 9-10. Just sayin.
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bro, i have pics all over the internet and all over here so feel free to look wherever and whenever you like... i played basketball in college... now i am a triathlete... i also am a high fashion model... just because you have trouble at a certain body fat does not mean that goes the same for everyone else... for you, it may not work, but i have none of the issues you are referencing... you don't just cut or bulk, you can recomp as well... you can do a lot of different things... i have gained size and cut body fat many times... what he wants to do is very difficult but its possible as well...
 
I cant look at pics im not a plat member. Yes you can recomp too forgot that one. I was just saying for a first go at it keep it simple wouldnt you agree? If he is already at 9% then bulk first get to size he wants then cut off what he feels need to go. Thats all i was saying. Im a baseball player and played football in highschool and college i always cramoed and pulled cuz i was so lean then probly 8% or less. High fashion model. That sounds like a sweet gig tho thats cool. Also i know the read out tells me 13 but it sure doesnt look like that in the mirror. Maybe the bmi bf thingy at gym doesnt work right. Idk.
 
Krazie Apparel said:
I cant look at pics im not a plat member. Yes you can recomp too forgot that one. I was just saying for a first go at it keep it simple wouldnt you agree? If he is already at 9% then bulk first get to size he wants then cut off what he feels need to go. Thats all i was saying. Im a baseball player and played football in highschool and college i always cramoed and pulled cuz i was so lean then probly 8% or less. High fashion model. That sounds like a sweet gig tho thats cool. Also i know the read out tells me 13 but it sure doesnt look like that in the mirror. Maybe the bmi bf thingy at gym doesnt work right. Idk.
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underwater reading is going to be much more accurate...

the cycle itself needs to be simple but the goal can be whatever someone wants... some people just don't like to bulk, some only do... some people only cut... its just personal preference...

google my name and there's plenty of pictures...

yes modeling has been a tremendous lifestyle man...
 
Ya it must be off then. And ya googled ya. Def shredded. What did u find was your best way of getting there? What put u over the top after hitting plats?
 
Krazie Apparel said:
Ya it must be off then. And ya googled ya. Def shredded. What did u find was your best way of getting there? What put u over the top after hitting plats?
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a lot of tweaking to my diet and workout... constantly changing things and shocking my body... then, after many years of this, aas...
 
Ya im always tweaking it. Maybe i will try new excercises. I have just got back into weight training again 3 months ago. Had umbilical hernia surgery so i was down for a month and a half no workouts. So im making my way back. Im 38 6'2" 202lb 13% bf but think thats wrong cuz it sure doesnt look it.
 
That covers my questions really well. If i keep eating like i do, will that be enough? And the coloclease pro is a pill. Lol.
Pes erase is an otc estro blocker. Googgle it, tell me what u think. Also, when i signed up at sterorid.com, i got s free coupon coffee for one free bottle. Should i get test 600 oral, clen, var, tren 75 oral, hgh, dbol or winny? The hgh us the most expensive, i was thinking of doing that one, but want sure.

Thanks!
 
nextdoorboy said:
That covers my questions really well. If i keep eating like i do, will that be enough? And the coloclease pro is a pill. Lol.
Pes erase is an otc estro blocker. Googgle it, tell me what u think. Also, when i signed up at sterorid.com, i got s free coupon coffee for one free bottle. Should i get test 600 oral, clen, var, tren 75 oral, hgh, dbol or winny? The hgh us the most expensive, i was thinking of doing that one, but want sure.

Thanks!
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Bro that shit isnt real and I wouldnt buy any of it. If you want something thats going to be effective and real then go to ntbm and get some epistane. Its a top notch ph that will yield solid dry gains. If your looking to get a real ai then get some forma, adex, or aromasin. That pes stuff sounds like bs, but Ive never used it.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using EliteFitness
 
yeah bro... your getting a bunch of shit... everything has been laid out for you... its up to you to get what you need to run the cycle properly...
 
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