First test cycle

[yuppyguitar]

28 years old, 5'10, 175lbs, ~9% bf, lifting 13 years. I have one cycle experience under my belt, anavar only. I unfortunately didn't keep much if any of those gains, despite keeping a clean high protein diet and rigorous workout regimen. I interpret that to mean I was at my genetic limit before I entered the cycle. My goal this time around is to get some experience with test, add strength and mass, and keep gains longer. You can read my previous cycle here.

This cycle will consist of each of the following twice/day for 10 weeks:
250mg test depot
15ml (1 tablespoon) fish oil
375mg liv52
300mg silymarin extract
multivitamin
10g creatine


Also before bed:
200mg ZMA
2g cissus
40g casein


PCT will begin 10 days after last injection and consist of 4 shots of 5000IU HCG over 2 weeks, 20mg nolva/day for 4 weeks.

Also taking .5mg dutasteride and have some letro and arimidex on hand for any flare ups.


Diet:


Carb Protein Fat
Meal 1
6 egg whites 1.2 21.6 0.6
80 g oatmeal (half cup) 53.3 11.6 5.8
Meal 2
150g top round 0 52.65 12.9
8 oz sweet potato 47.2 4.6 0.4
1 tbsp fish oil 0 0 13.6
Meal 3
200g chicken 0 41 1.8
65g rice 50.18 5.135 1.885
1 tbsp fish oil 0 0 13.6
1/2 cup broccoli
Meal 4
150g top round 0 52.65 12.9
65g rice 50.18 5.135 1.885
Meal 5
80g oatmeal 53.3 11.6 5.8
200g chicken 0 41 1.8
1 tbsp fish oil 0 0 13.6
Meal 6
1 tbsp fish oil 0 0 13.6
4 oz sweet potato 23.6 2.3 0.2
200g chicken 0 41 1.8
spinach&apple cider vinegar salad 0 0 0


Thanks to zedhed for recommending intermediate 5x5 as a cycle workout. Could've been the drug and not the workout, but it worked wonders last time, so in my opinion, if it aint broke don't fix it, therefore I'll be using the same this time. Would really be great if your forum supported tables.

Week
Day Exercise Reps 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 11 12
Monday Squat 5 135 140 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 180
5 170 170 180 180 190 190 195 200 205 210 215 220
5 205 205 215 220 225 230 235 240 250 250 260 265
5 235 240 250 255 265 265 275 280 290 295 300 310
5 270 275 285 290 300 305 315 320 330 335 345 355

Bench 5 95 100 100 105 105 110 110 115 115 120 125 125
5 120 120 125 130 130 135 140 140 145 145 155 155
5 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 175 185 190
5 165 170 175 180 185 190 195 195 200 205 215 220
5 190 195 200 205 210 215 220 225 230 235 245 250

Row 5 95 95 100 100 105 105 110 110 115 115 120 125
5 115 120 120 125 130 130 135 140 140 145 145 155
5 140 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 175 185
5 160 165 170 175 180 185 190 195 195 200 205 215
5 185 190 195 200 205 210 215 220 225 230 235 245

Wednesday Squat 5 135 140 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 180
5 170 170 180 180 190 190 195 200 205 210 215 220
5 205 205 215 220 225 230 235 240 250 250 260 265
5 205 205 215 220 225 230 235 240 250 250 260 265

Press 5 80 80 80 85 90 90 90 95 95 95 100 105
5 95 100 100 100 105 105 110 115 115 115 120 125
5 110 115 115 120 125 125 125 130 130 135 140 145
5 125 130 130 135 140 140 145 150 150 155 160 165

Deadlift 5 205 210 215 220 225 230 235 240 245 255 260 265
5 245 250 255 265 270 280 280 290 295 305 310 320
5 285 295 300 305 315 325 330 335 345 355 365 370
5 325 335 340 350 360 370 375 385 395 405 415 425

Friday Squat 5 135 140 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 180
5 170 170 180 180 190 190 195 200 205 210 215 220
5 205 205 215 220 225 230 235 240 250 250 260 265
5 235 240 250 255 265 265 275 280 290 295 300 310
3 275 285 290 300 305 315 320 330 335 345 355 365
8 205 205 215 220 225 230 235 240 250 250 260 265

Bench 5 95 100 100 105 105 110 110 115 115 120 125 125
5 120 120 125 130 130 135 140 140 145 145 155 155
5 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 175 185 190
5 165 170 175 180 185 190 195 195 200 205 215 220
3 195 200 205 210 215 220 225 230 235 245 250 255
8 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 175 185 190

Row 5 95 95 100 100 105 105 110 110 115 115 120 125
5 115 120 120 125 130 130 135 140 140 145 145 155
5 140 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 175 185
5 160 165 170 175 180 185 190 195 195 200 205 215
3 190 195 200 205 210 215 220 225 230 235 245 250
8 140 145 145 150 155 160 160 165 170 175 175 185

 

[Ripp42]

What is the test ester or esters?

Hcg is not a pct!

Run it during cyc 250x2 e4d

 

[yuppyguitar]

Hey ripp, thanks for the fast reply! Its testoviron depot, which is 50mg prop, 200mg enanthate per ampule.

As for using hcg as PCT or on-cycle support, I've heard both schools of thought. Maybe you can provide some evidence to support your opinion? From my research in "Anabolics 2009", William Llewellyn states that the obstacle to post cycle recovery is not lack of LH or abundance of estrogen, but testicle desensitization to LH. Adding HCG then mimics LH to a supraphysiological level such that the testicles recover faster than normal so that they can start producing testosterone. In a clinical study 19 males were given test cyp for 12 weeks followed by HCG, nolva, and clomid. Normal hormone levels were restored within 45 days vs 133 days for no PCT.

 

[yuppyguitar]

Day 2
Nothing special to report about my first workout. Mentally however, I did feel different. A bit more focused. I noticed at work especially, problem solving all day. Today as well. I also start noticing some nipple puffiness, but nothing itchy. Not a good sign this early. I immediately took .5mg arimidex and 20mg nolva. I was hoping to avoid this, but looks like I have the genes for it. I'll continue like this until it goes down, drop the nolva until PCT and continue the full cycle with .25mg arimidex. Quad is also a bit more sore than day 1, reminds me of squats. I haven't upped my calories much, trying to ease into the new diet to avoid putting on fat. So far I've added almonds to my previous diet and a casein shake before bed. Will add xtend to my workout drink when it comes in. Must drink more water.

 

[crixus]

Dude just run the arimidex and drop the nolva right now.. nolva is trash bro and isnt even good for pct either

 

[Ripp42]

Hey ripp, thanks for the fast reply! Its testoviron depot, which is 50mg prop, 200mg enanthate per ampule.

As for using hcg as PCT or on-cycle support, I've heard both schools of thought. Maybe you can provide some evidence to support your opinion? From my research in "Anabolics 2009", William Llewellyn states that the obstacle to post cycle recovery is not lack of LH or abundance of estrogen, but testicle desensitization to LH. Adding HCG then mimics LH to a supraphysiological level such that the testicles recover faster than normal so that they can start producing testosterone. In a clinical study 19 males were given test cyp for 12 weeks followed by HCG, nolva, and clomid. Normal hormone levels were restored within 45 days vs 133 days for no PCT.

Thats right it memics ur lh ( ledying hormone ) to keep it functional during cyc for easier recovery. Your ester is a 10.5 day ester. So you would run hcg ex: how i do it.

02-05 250x2 e4d
08-12 same
12-14 500x2

Wk 14 the ester is cleared too much hcg can detense ur balls then ur recovery will be a real struggle! Hcg just masks it so your body doesnt shut down as hard your lh thinks its some what normal. Its a band aid at some point u hv to stop and thats when the ester is clear bc theres no more suppression from the test. so ur body will start slowly producing on its own. Now ur dealing with estrogen which hcg does not block.

I would hv to find the md site been so long theres alot of arguement in this. I would say use ur judgement and if your balls are some what plump stop.

 

[yuppyguitar]

I think you mean luteinizing hormone which stimulates the leydig cells in your testicles into producing testosterone. Basically, the reason Llewellyn advises against HCG on cycle is that HCG use causes desensitization of the LH receptor, so you get diminishing returns. So the advice is to run it for 2 weeks after the test ester clears blood. Will keep an eye on the boys and see what others are saying.

 

[yuppyguitar]

Day 3
I know some people are reporting not feeling their test E kick in until day 10-14, but I totally felt it today in the gym. Slept an extra hour last night and added some nitric oxide and caffeine to my workout drink, but that doesn't account for the strength, alertness, and aggression I felt today. If this is day 3 I'm scared to think what day 45 will be like. I haven't even done my 2nd pin yet. The temptation is to go balls to the wall on DL, but I have to restrain myself to avoid fucking up my lower back like I did with DL on anavar. I'm also putting on fat, just from the small amount of yogurt and almonds I've introduced into my diet. Not good. I thought test was supposed to improve nutrient partitioning. Anyway, happy so far. Can't wait for Day 5 workout.

 

[zedhed]

Dam this sounds sweet bro. Good that your using disipline and holding yourself back. We all need to work up to the weights no matter how good and strong we feel on cycle. This is the very best way not to get injured and then have a wasted cycle.

 

[yuppyguitar]

Day 4
No workout today, but super-focused at work. Great feeling all day. Also feel less tired/fatigued. I'm not even sore from yesterday's squats and DL.