First Real Cycle Test Prop/Proviron

[ACeR_1er]

6 weeks:
Test prop 100-150mg eod
Aromasin 12.5mg ed
Proviron 50mg ed
Anavar 40-80mg (maybe last 4 or 5 weeks?)

The aromasin not sure about I don't want to injure my joints or hinder gains but I have mild gyno (fatty tissue, stretched left nippple) from puberty so wanna be on the safe side.

PCT: 4 weeks?
Nolva 40-30-20-10 taper
Aromasin 25mg-12.5mg taper
Lean Xtreme 3 caps a day

Will judge things by how I feel.After a few days I'll add in proviron and then oxandrolone adjusting doses as I go to see how I react to everything.
Gonna be pinning dorsogluteal, delts and attempt ventrogluteal. Using terumo 20g for drawing and 25g 1 1/2" for pinning.

Goal is RECOMP. Continue losing bf while gaining strength and definition.

Stats:
Endomorph
24
5'10
165lbs
14% bf

January I was 186 with over 20%bf.
Diets been keto with alot of empty stomach cardio and moderate weight training. Lean xtreme, caffiene, l-carntine, b100, and ala stack worked wonders. Really helped me shed fat and keep muscle and introduce some definition and hardness. Problem is now I feel small and weak (even though I have made small strength gains).

If I can put on a keepable 10lbs and lose a couple % bf I will be happy.

 

[dylangemelli]

6 weeks:
Test prop 100-150mg eod
Aromasin 12.5mg ed
Proviron 50mg ed
Anavar 40-80mg (maybe last 4 or 5 weeks?)

The aromasin not sure about I don't want to injure my joints or hinder gains but I have mild gyno (fatty tissue, stretched left nippple) from puberty so wanna be on the safe side.

PCT: 4 weeks?
Nolva 40-30-20-10 taper
Aromasin 25mg-12.5mg taper
Lean Xtreme 3 caps a day

Will judge things by how I feel.After a few days I'll add in proviron and then oxandrolone adjusting doses as I go to see how I react to everything.
Gonna be pinning dorsogluteal, delts and attempt ventrogluteal. Using terumo 20g for drawing and 25g 1 1/2" for pinning.

Goal is RECOMP. Continue losing bf while gaining strength and definition.

Stats:
Endomorph
24
5'10
165lbs
14% bf

January I was 186 with over 20%bf.
Diets been keto with alot of empty stomach cardio and moderate weight training. Lean xtreme, caffiene, l-carntine, b100, and ala stack worked wonders. Really helped me shed fat and keep muscle and introduce some definition and hardness. Problem is now I feel small and weak (even though I have made small strength gains).

If I can put on a keepable 10lbs and lose a couple % bf I will be happy.

I would run the prop for 8 weeks as opposed to 6... get the most out of it bro... run the anavar the last 6 weeks... 60 mg a day... proviron and anavar are great together... i would start aromasin EOD and if you start to have problems arise then go ED but you don't want to kill off all your estrogen right off the jump bro... i like the cycle though, its a great combination...

your pct on the other needs fixed... drop the nolva

pct
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol ( you can use aromasin if you like) EOD though...
lean xtreme

 

[ELVIS1982]

1st real cycle I would highly recommend test e for 12 weeks. 1 jab per week of 400-500mg. Maybe kick off with an oral too for 4-5 weeks. This is 12 weeks of gains and should give you a far better cycle than 6 weeks of prop.
Your pct is also a bit sloppy dude. Pretty sure your gonna need clomid even if it's only low dose with forma stanzol.

 

[ACeR_1er]

Thanks for the quick reply gents.
Clomid I can get but I've heard nolva is better with less sides.
Also heard people bounce back and recover fairly quick with higher test levels than before cycle with aromasin and nolva combo. My test is not great right now 446.69ng/ml estro at 30pg/ml but ihave been dieting and putting my body thru hell the last while.Also because of aromasins shorter half life I hear its dosed ed.

Now I know test e or c 12 weeks is best but I opted for prop because of its fast acting/clearing ester, less sides, bloat etc. Want that dry lean look. I was going to run it 8 weeks but gym time went down and work went up so I'm a little late in starting and had to cut it down to 6 as I'm travelling aug 20.

I've heard short 6 weeks cycles are best for recovery and time on/off to get back on cycle again. Hit the recptors quick and hard andget out. I think Author L Rea wrote some articles about that.
Would I get more out of 6 weeks (would hormone levels build up quicker) if I pinned ed instead of eod?

The only other option I have is to do anavar proviron only and wait till nextcycle to add in test but I heard test really solidifies your gains and I don't wanne feel shut down.

 

[dylangemelli]

a lot of the stuff you "heard" is bad info... its great to run a nice short and sweet cycle but your cutting yourself short running test for 6 weeks... your not getting everything out of it... nolva is not going to recover you at all in pct so you will learn the hard way if you run it... if you have to rush a cycle then you need to just wait to run it until you can run it properly... you could just run anavar and proviron for now and then later run the full test cycle...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why prop for a first cycle. Are you sure you're going to love pinning that much?

Nolvadex sucks balls. Use UNLEASHED and protein factory POST-CYCLE.

 

[ACeR_1er]

I appreciate your advice Dylan I've read your articles on nolva and what you think of it and non fat greek yogurt is a staple on my carb load days, however, my brother and many other people I know have recovered just fine from nolva only pct's from 8 week+ cycles with no hcg and report testicle size increase first few days of using it. I could opt for clomid but not sure how that would interact with the aromasin. Unleashed and post are 2 products promoted a lot on this board but all have stellar reviews so I deff will look into them.
Also your saying eod aromasin would be fine? If I left the test out would my results be dramaticly different?

Nelson the reason I chose prop was because of its fast acting/clearing properties, more test per mg compared to other esters and its reported less side effects and bloat, ability to keep blood levels more stable. I don't mind the pinning or needles I'm just not quite sure on the pain level and how I'm going to react to it yet.

 

[moya]

sounds like a well though out and planned cycle to me...
what will be the macro's for your diet?...
if you put in the work here, which it seems you have been on your cut, then im sure you will do just fine, i would bet you may even exceed your goals..

 

[ACeR_1er]

sounds like a well though out and planned cycle to me...
what will be the macro's for your diet?...
if you put in the work here, which it seems you have been on your cut, then im sure you will do just fine, i would bet you may even exceed your goals..

Thanks Moya, yea I have benn planning this for awhile now and have everything ready to go. Just time to pin now lol! I'm so nervous like if I'm gonna get crazy heart palps or headaches I dunno. I'm a pretty anxious guy as it is! Will it affect my sleep if I pin later in the evening? I know it will hurt no matter what ester because I'm injecting virgin muscle. Will I get "flu" like symtoms? Guess I just gotta man up and find out!

My diet has been keto paleo type (think palumbo) high protean and high fat with a carb load on the weekend. I work in a restaurant in the kitchen so its hard for me to count calls but I'm constantly eating all day, nuts, cheese, deli meats, tuna in olive oil, fish, steak, chicken, green veg and salads, olives, eggs, buffalo mozza balls, PUMPKIN SEEDS are are bomb 19g protean 26g fat 2g net carbs per 50g. I try and stay under 20g carbs a day. It's hard tho cuz its an italian resto and I'm surrounded by pasta and pizza all day! Perfect for ectomorph bulkers lol...
Although to make use of the cycle I might carb load every 3 or 4 days instead of the Sunday night cheat meal.

I have a scoop of Humapro and peanut butter before workout, chaind out during and 2 scoops Humapro post with my vitamins and omegas and such. Then off to work eat small portions of all the stuff I mentioned plus another chaind out in between, then humapro with more vits and supps and peanut butter or a raw omega egg when I get home (tried to add a link about raw eggs and glutathione and raw eggs but it won't let me), chaind out before bed.


I'd say half the "water" consumed is cold steeped oolong tea or green tea. Estimate around 8L a day?
I just throw in some tea bags in bottled water and toss it in the fridge! Boiling tea actually kills most the anti oxidant properties. (Tried to add a link to a study here but it won't let me)

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson the reason I chose prop was because of its fast acting/clearing properties, more test per mg compared to other esters and its reported less side effects and bloat, ability to keep blood levels more stable. I don't mind the pinning or needles I'm just not quite sure on the pain level and how I'm going to react to it yet.[/QUOTE]

I get that, but the difference is nominal IMO. Others may disagree.

 

[moya]

you should do fine bro...
it may effect your sleep, i inject mornings because it effects me... could be placebo, but either way pinning am's works better for me...
you will most likely get flu symptoms and feel some PIP when you hit a new site...
i like your diet for a cut... but id rather see you do the refeeds every 3-4 days like you were considering... it will keep you stronger and fuller looking...
might want to consider a little AM fasted cardio....
kill that shit bro...

 

[moya]

Nelson the reason I chose prop was because of its fast acting/clearing properties, more test per mg compared to other esters and its reported less side effects and bloat, ability to keep blood levels more stable. I don't mind the pinning or needles I'm just not quite sure on the pain level and how I'm going to react to it yet.

I get that, but the difference is nominal IMO. Others may disagree.[/QUOTE]

i think most of us would
i notice a huge difference... though it may not appear as much a difference to others, but i notice it....
most bloat to least would be:
sustanon
cyp, enth
prop
suspension
that is, if pinned on a proper schedule...

 

[dylangemelli]

I appreciate your advice Dylan I've read your articles on nolva and what you think of it and non fat greek yogurt is a staple on my carb load days, however, my brother and many other people I know have recovered just fine from nolva only pct's from 8 week+ cycles with no hcg and report testicle size increase first few days of using it. I could opt for clomid but not sure how that would interact with the aromasin. Unleashed and post are 2 products promoted a lot on this board but all have stellar reviews so I deff will look into them.
Also your saying eod aromasin would be fine? If I left the test out would my results be dramaticly different?

Nelson the reason I chose prop was because of its fast acting/clearing properties, more test per mg compared to other esters and its reported less side effects and bloat, ability to keep blood levels more stable. I don't mind the pinning or needles I'm just not quite sure on the pain level and how I'm going to react to it yet.

clomid and aromasin together is fine bro... did your brother and friends get bloodwork done though? you do what you want on this but i really believe clomid is a much better option...

if you left the test out of the cycle, then yes, the results would be dramatically different... anavar is great but you won't add nearly as much size as with test... you have a bad ass cycle running all three man...

there is no way to tell how you will react to the pinning but i assure you that prop is much more painful than the other esters... you will know within the first few days how you react... it bothers some more than others but i assure you there will be some pain... hopefully it won't bother you too much... i also saw you ask about test flu... once again, impossible to predict bro... some people get it everytime they start a test cycle and some never get it...

if you have spot on diet and training, this cycle can give some excellent results... keep us updated on this cycle... i love to hear results, especially on cycles that I really like! good luck bro...

 

[training700]

Its a very small difference in bloat for me and no difference with an ai.
One thing I like is it clears fast so can begin recovering quicker and have it out of your system once the cycle is over.
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[moya]

we are all men here... we can take a little injection pain i think for a sport we enjoy...

 

[ACeR_1er]

Awesome thanks a million gents I'm gettin real pumped on this cycle now! Will be pinning 50mg today to see how I react, then either 100mg eod or 50mg ed depending on pip. Might increase to 150 eod or 75mg ed as I go.

Another quick question, will acne be bad on this cycle? I have mild forehead acne already due to standing over a hot grill at work all day and sweating lol. I've read its the estrogen and shbg that cause the acne, which I seem to have covered. I've heard reports of acne actually betting better on a well planned cycle due to more controlled hormone levels.Its the pct acne that might be unavoidable especially with nolva. Also pct should start 4 days after last inject?

Gonna eat, inject, then go murder chest and bi's today. Will definetly be updating as I go along.
Thanks for all your help and support guys!

 

[judasprius]

Awesome thanks a million gents I'm gettin real pumped on this cycle now! Will be pinning 50mg today to see how I react, then either 100mg eod or 50mg ed depending on pip. Might increase to 150 eod or 75mg ed as I go.

Another quick question, will acne be bad on this cycle? I have mild forehead acne already due to standing over a hot grill at work all day and sweating lol. I've read its the estrogen and shbg that cause the acne, which I seem to have covered. I've heard reports of acne actually betting better on a well planned cycle due to more controlled hormone levels.Its the pct acne that might be unavoidable especially with nolva. Also pct should start 4 days after last inject?

Gonna eat, inject, then go murder chest and bi's today. Will definetly be updating as I go along.
Thanks for all your help and support guys!

You're worrying way too much, lol. Although I can totally understand. I was worried sick about it, and I had done all of the research for 10+ years before my 1st cycle. Once you get past the first few pins, it's cake.

The acne, I wouldn't worry too much about that either. Just make sure you're washing your face regularly, especially after work. I've always been acne prone, and had HORRIBLE acne on my chest back as a teen. Accutane took care of that. I actually had LESS acne when I was on a cycle.

Just listen to Dylan and the other experienced bros here, they know what they're talking about. Keep us updated. I'll be planning my 1st cycle after 8 years off cycle, so this is good info for me too.

Good luck!

 

[ACeR_1er]

Hey guy injected half cc into my right glute 12 hours ago. Aspirated, inject real slow smooth like butter. No pain, couple hours later I felt cramping up in my right leg, now my right leg feels like its falling asleep down to my ankles and feet they feel tingly and heavy like my knee down I'm losing feeling. I'm really worriedinjection site is fine small ball but no pain.

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey guy injected half cc into my right glute 12 hours ago. Aspirated, inject real slow smooth like butter. No pain, couple hours later I felt cramping up in my right leg, now my right leg feels like its falling asleep down to my ankles and feet they feel tingly and heavy like my knee down I'm losing feeling. I'm really worriedinjection site is fine small ball but no pain.

we told you prop was going to be a painful motherfucker bro... your just going to have to suck it up...

 

[ACeR_1er]

we told you prop was going to be a painful motherfucker bro... your just going to have to suck it up...

I there's no real pain at the injection site (right dorsoglute) but just my calf and feet feel asleep and tingling like they're filling up. I didn't catch an infection did I? This feels really weird. Maybe some went out of the muscle or I hit a nerve?

What scares me is I had an infected tattoo on my calf and it swelled up bellow down to my ankle and felt like this.

 

[ACeR_1er]

Woke up yesterday with my right leg fine no main or soreness anywhere, I must have pinned close to a nerve or some of the oil wasn't deep eneogh into the muscle and seeped out and down my leg lol I dunno.
Threw on some lamb of god, pinned another half cc into my left glute as deep as I could go, nice and sssloooowww. Also popped a proviron pre and post work. Energy levels up no strength increase yet, sure its all placebo so far. Appetite was down yesterday big time after first shot, today started to come back but still not as hungry as I usually am. No pain or whatsoever in left glute leg or anywhere.

Today pinned a full cc into my left glute again. Smooth like butter took over a minute to inject. Murdered arms today they were skin was turning red and sweat like a mofo. 6 hours later a lil sore and stingy. Still not sure if I will be pinng ed or eod. Roidcalc.com says 2 day half life and ed would be stablest blood levels, but most websites say 4.5 days? If that's the case then I can get away with eod.