First Real Cycle Test Prop/Proviron

[ACeR_1er]

6 weeks:
Test prop 100-150mg eod
Aromasin 12.5mg ed
Proviron 50mg ed
Anavar 40-80mg (maybe last 4 or 5 weeks?)

The aromasin not sure about I don't want to injure my joints or hinder gains but I have mild gyno (fatty tissue, stretched left nippple) from puberty so wanna be on the safe side.

PCT: 4 weeks?
Nolva 40-30-20-10 taper
Aromasin 25mg-12.5mg taper
Lean Xtreme 3 caps a day

Will judge things by how I feel.After a few days I'll add in proviron and then oxandrolone adjusting doses as I go to see how I react to everything.
Gonna be pinning dorsogluteal, delts and attempt ventrogluteal. Using terumo 20g for drawing and 25g 1 1/2" for pinning.

Goal is RECOMP. Continue losing bf while gaining strength and definition.

Stats:
Endomorph
24
5'10
165lbs
14% bf

January I was 186 with over 20%bf.
Diets been keto with alot of empty stomach cardio and moderate weight training. Lean xtreme, caffiene, l-carntine, b100, and ala stack worked wonders. Really helped me shed fat and keep muscle and introduce some definition and hardness. Problem is now I feel small and weak (even though I have made small strength gains).

If I can put on a keepable 10lbs and lose a couple % bf I will be happy.

 

[dylangemelli]

6 weeks:
Test prop 100-150mg eod
Aromasin 12.5mg ed
Proviron 50mg ed
Anavar 40-80mg (maybe last 4 or 5 weeks?)

The aromasin not sure about I don't want to injure my joints or hinder gains but I have mild gyno (fatty tissue, stretched left nippple) from puberty so wanna be on the safe side.

PCT: 4 weeks?
Nolva 40-30-20-10 taper
Aromasin 25mg-12.5mg taper
Lean Xtreme 3 caps a day

Will judge things by how I feel.After a few days I'll add in proviron and then oxandrolone adjusting doses as I go to see how I react to everything.
Gonna be pinning dorsogluteal, delts and attempt ventrogluteal. Using terumo 20g for drawing and 25g 1 1/2" for pinning.

Goal is RECOMP. Continue losing bf while gaining strength and definition.

Stats:
Endomorph
24
5'10
165lbs
14% bf

January I was 186 with over 20%bf.
Diets been keto with alot of empty stomach cardio and moderate weight training. Lean xtreme, caffiene, l-carntine, b100, and ala stack worked wonders. Really helped me shed fat and keep muscle and introduce some definition and hardness. Problem is now I feel small and weak (even though I have made small strength gains).

If I can put on a keepable 10lbs and lose a couple % bf I will be happy.

I would run the prop for 8 weeks as opposed to 6... get the most out of it bro... run the anavar the last 6 weeks... 60 mg a day... proviron and anavar are great together... i would start aromasin EOD and if you start to have problems arise then go ED but you don't want to kill off all your estrogen right off the jump bro... i like the cycle though, its a great combination...

your pct on the other needs fixed... drop the nolva

pct
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol ( you can use aromasin if you like) EOD though...
lean xtreme

 

[ELVIS1982]

1st real cycle I would highly recommend test e for 12 weeks. 1 jab per week of 400-500mg. Maybe kick off with an oral too for 4-5 weeks. This is 12 weeks of gains and should give you a far better cycle than 6 weeks of prop.
Your pct is also a bit sloppy dude. Pretty sure your gonna need clomid even if it's only low dose with forma stanzol.

 

[ACeR_1er]

Thanks for the quick reply gents.
Clomid I can get but I've heard nolva is better with less sides.
Also heard people bounce back and recover fairly quick with higher test levels than before cycle with aromasin and nolva combo. My test is not great right now 446.69ng/ml estro at 30pg/ml but ihave been dieting and putting my body thru hell the last while.Also because of aromasins shorter half life I hear its dosed ed.

Now I know test e or c 12 weeks is best but I opted for prop because of its fast acting/clearing ester, less sides, bloat etc. Want that dry lean look. I was going to run it 8 weeks but gym time went down and work went up so I'm a little late in starting and had to cut it down to 6 as I'm travelling aug 20.

I've heard short 6 weeks cycles are best for recovery and time on/off to get back on cycle again. Hit the recptors quick and hard andget out. I think Author L Rea wrote some articles about that.
Would I get more out of 6 weeks (would hormone levels build up quicker) if I pinned ed instead of eod?

The only other option I have is to do anavar proviron only and wait till nextcycle to add in test but I heard test really solidifies your gains and I don't wanne feel shut down.

 

[dylangemelli]

a lot of the stuff you "heard" is bad info... its great to run a nice short and sweet cycle but your cutting yourself short running test for 6 weeks... your not getting everything out of it... nolva is not going to recover you at all in pct so you will learn the hard way if you run it... if you have to rush a cycle then you need to just wait to run it until you can run it properly... you could just run anavar and proviron for now and then later run the full test cycle...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why prop for a first cycle. Are you sure you're going to love pinning that much?

Nolvadex sucks balls. Use UNLEASHED and protein factory POST-CYCLE.

 

[ACeR_1er]

I appreciate your advice Dylan I've read your articles on nolva and what you think of it and non fat greek yogurt is a staple on my carb load days, however, my brother and many other people I know have recovered just fine from nolva only pct's from 8 week+ cycles with no hcg and report testicle size increase first few days of using it. I could opt for clomid but not sure how that would interact with the aromasin. Unleashed and post are 2 products promoted a lot on this board but all have stellar reviews so I deff will look into them.
Also your saying eod aromasin would be fine? If I left the test out would my results be dramaticly different?

Nelson the reason I chose prop was because of its fast acting/clearing properties, more test per mg compared to other esters and its reported less side effects and bloat, ability to keep blood levels more stable. I don't mind the pinning or needles I'm just not quite sure on the pain level and how I'm going to react to it yet.

 

[moya]

sounds like a well though out and planned cycle to me...
what will be the macro's for your diet?...
if you put in the work here, which it seems you have been on your cut, then im sure you will do just fine, i would bet you may even exceed your goals..

 

[ACeR_1er]

sounds like a well though out and planned cycle to me...
what will be the macro's for your diet?...
if you put in the work here, which it seems you have been on your cut, then im sure you will do just fine, i would bet you may even exceed your goals..

Thanks Moya, yea I have benn planning this for awhile now and have everything ready to go. Just time to pin now lol! I'm so nervous like if I'm gonna get crazy heart palps or headaches I dunno. I'm a pretty anxious guy as it is! Will it affect my sleep if I pin later in the evening? I know it will hurt no matter what ester because I'm injecting virgin muscle. Will I get "flu" like symtoms? Guess I just gotta man up and find out!

My diet has been keto paleo type (think palumbo) high protean and high fat with a carb load on the weekend. I work in a restaurant in the kitchen so its hard for me to count calls but I'm constantly eating all day, nuts, cheese, deli meats, tuna in olive oil, fish, steak, chicken, green veg and salads, olives, eggs, buffalo mozza balls, PUMPKIN SEEDS are are bomb 19g protean 26g fat 2g net carbs per 50g. I try and stay under 20g carbs a day. It's hard tho cuz its an italian resto and I'm surrounded by pasta and pizza all day! Perfect for ectomorph bulkers lol...
Although to make use of the cycle I might carb load every 3 or 4 days instead of the Sunday night cheat meal.

I have a scoop of Humapro and peanut butter before workout, chaind out during and 2 scoops Humapro post with my vitamins and omegas and such. Then off to work eat small portions of all the stuff I mentioned plus another chaind out in between, then humapro with more vits and supps and peanut butter or a raw omega egg when I get home (tried to add a link about raw eggs and glutathione and raw eggs but it won't let me), chaind out before bed.


I'd say half the "water" consumed is cold steeped oolong tea or green tea. Estimate around 8L a day?
I just throw in some tea bags in bottled water and toss it in the fridge! Boiling tea actually kills most the anti oxidant properties. (Tried to add a link to a study here but it won't let me)

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson the reason I chose prop was because of its fast acting/clearing properties, more test per mg compared to other esters and its reported less side effects and bloat, ability to keep blood levels more stable. I don't mind the pinning or needles I'm just not quite sure on the pain level and how I'm going to react to it yet.[/QUOTE]

I get that, but the difference is nominal IMO. Others may disagree.