wasn't talking straight to you bro. just in general people throw out a cycle outline without any clue what its like to run it themselves. a little edgy today sorry, but this board has lately had a lot of people just passing on what they heard. i'm looking out for this guy. his goals can be attained from just the test, the dbol isn't even needed but fine. the deca is just not needed he can wait till his second cycle for that. he needs to run a basic cycle with pct and know how his body reacts and recovers. then he can run something like deca which shuts you down hard