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harbinator

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I know you guys prolly get this topic alot, but Ive mainly been hanging around the diet forum in my stint here at EF. Well my 1 year anniversary of cutting is coming up next month, looks like Im down about 70lbs. I don't plan on doing a cycle right away, as soon as I make the switch from a 2000 calorie diet to a 4000 calorie diet and get everything down pat Id like to pack on some muscle.

After losing 70lb Ive gotten so weak its embarassing at the gym, ever see a 240lb guy have trouble benching 135? I don't want anything massive just from my reading maybe either test or just tren with the appropriate PCT. Anyone have suggestions for someone looking not to blow up but to gain lots of strength while stirpping away even more fat? I went from 35% to around 18% bf now.
 
Congrats on dropping that much body fat! That's a lot of hard work.

If you're only taking in 2000 calories/day I would think that when you stepped it up a bit more your strength would increase. Assuming of course that the diet was clean and contained lots of protein. I'm sure the other guys will chime in.

Keep up the good work!
 
I think it was pretty clean my diet consisted 95% of cottage cheese, tuna, lean chicken breasts, oatmeal, and eggs. I supplemented other things I was missing such as EFAs.

Just lookin for a good starter cycle to start on the world to learning what my body responds well too for a little jump start on my road to bulking.
 
harbinator said:
I think it was pretty clean my diet consisted 95% of cottage cheese, tuna, lean chicken breasts, oatmeal, and eggs. I supplemented other things I was missing such as EFAs.

Just lookin for a good starter cycle to start on the world to learning what my body responds well too for a little jump start on my road to bulking.

My advice would be to continue with the clean diet and cardio until you are maybe 12-15% before considering a bulk cycle mate. Maybe do some research on clen or ECA. The operative word being 'research' though. I'm not saying go and throw some clen down your throat but may help you in achieving your goals further.

Have congratulated you before on your achievement but will again. Keep up the good work. :beer:
 
Looks like you're on a high protein, low fat, almost no carb diet. If that's the case, you're probably so week because of the lack of carbs. W/out them, you won't have very much energy.

Stick with the diet for a while and drop a few more % off of the bf before you start a cycle. I wouldn't worry too much about you're bench press. Who gives a shit if the guy next to you can bench 300lbs if you look better then he does.

Oh yeah, first cycle........500mg/test for 12 weeks with proper ancillaries and pct. And stay away from tren. It is NOT a beginner steroid.

Good luck

harbinator said:
I think it was pretty clean my diet consisted 95% of cottage cheese, tuna, lean chicken breasts, oatmeal, and eggs. I supplemented other things I was missing such as EFAs.

Just lookin for a good starter cycle to start on the world to learning what my body responds well too for a little jump start on my road to bulking.
 
Great job on loosing the pounds bro...at this point you have figured out how to diet...and thats the first step, now that you got that down i believe that even at 18% you could start your first cycle of TEST only and continue to cut on that....alot will say that you need to lower your body fat before you start...but when we look at someone that is 18% and make that kind of comment its usually cause they have no clue on how to eat or train...you have done good with your diet thus far and if you maintain it and throw in some test you will do just fine....i would go with what apexx recommended 12 weeks of test followed by proper pct...good luck to you.
 
Apexx said:
Looks like you're on a high protein, low fat, almost no carb diet. If that's the case, you're probably so week because of the lack of carbs. W/out them, you won't have very much energy.

Stick with the diet for a while and drop a few more % off of the bf before you start a cycle. I wouldn't worry too much about you're bench press. Who gives a shit if the guy next to you can bench 300lbs if you look better then he does.

Oh yeah, first cycle........500mg/test for 12 weeks with proper ancillaries and pct. And stay away from tren. It is NOT a beginner steroid. Good luck


And then you are sorted mate. :)
 
My recommendation would be 10 weeks of Test E Or cyp & Turnibol


Mon 250 test E

Thurs 250 Test E

40mg tbol thruout!




Heres why i recommend Tbol thruout

Oral-Turinabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's.
OT has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milli-gram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Test-osterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concen-tration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

OT has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milli-gram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Test-osterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concen-tration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply-defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy-look-ing muscle system. If OT were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.

OT enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often-posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.

The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects.





RADAR
 
Apexx said:
Looks like you're on a high protein, low fat, almost no carb diet. If that's the case, you're probably so week because of the lack of carbs. W/out them, you won't have very much energy.

Stick with the diet for a while and drop a few more % off of the bf before you start a cycle. I wouldn't worry too much about you're bench press. Who gives a shit if the guy next to you can bench 300lbs if you look better then he does.

Oh yeah, first cycle........500mg/test for 12 weeks with proper ancillaries and pct. And stay away from tren. It is NOT a beginner steroid. Good luck


And then you are sorted mate.
 
swordfish151 said:
Great job on loosing the pounds bro...at this point you have figured out how to diet...and thats the first step, now that you got that down i believe that even at 18% you could start your first cycle of TEST only and continue to cut on that....alot will say that you need to lower your body fat before you start...but when we look at someone that is 18% and make that kind of comment its usually cause they have no clue on how to eat or train...you have done good with your diet thus far and if you maintain it and throw in some test you will do just fine....i would go with what apexx recommended 12 weeks of test followed by proper pct...good luck to you.

Thanks for all the encouragement guys, just hearing this from people and family and friends is what motivates me to keep going. I would like to get lower bodyfat but since I have so little muscle some people are already saying Im looking kinda "gangly" thats why I wanted to do a bulker before cutting again.

Also from a previous post I am on a high protein, moderate carb, extremely low fat diet. Sometimes I cycled in really low carb days but most days Im getting 150+ carbs a day.

Seems 12 weeks of test at 500mg/week seems to be the thing to do which ancillaries/PCT would you recommend for this cycle?
 
harbinator said:
Thanks for all the encouragement guys, just hearing this from people and family and friends is what motivates me to keep going. I would like to get lower bodyfat but since I have so little muscle some people are already saying Im looking kinda "gangly" thats why I wanted to do a bulker before cutting again.

Also from a previous post I am on a high protein, moderate carb, extremely low fat diet. Sometimes I cycled in really low carb days but most days Im getting 150+ carbs a day.

Seems 12 weeks of test at 500mg/week seems to be the thing to do which ancillaries/PCT would you recommend for this cycle?

12 weeks of test E @ 500mgs/wk.....i would say nolvadex and maybe HCG
 
K decided on a 12 week of Test E, how much novla would you recommend and would novla+clomid be enough or do I really need HCG?

From what Im seeing 40mg for 2 weeks after and then 20mg for 2 more weeks or should I run it throughout the cycle?

TIA
 
mad props for that kind of weight loss, don't feel weak man you are one strong person to handle that with training and hard work. with that said tbol and test just like the good radar suggested.
 
bruce410 said:
mad props for that kind of weight loss, don't feel weak man you are one strong person to handle that with training and hard work. with that said tbol and test just like the good radar suggested.


Bruce, I am suprised you are agreeing with Radar on the length of time for taking T-bol. Even tho Radar is def very knowledgable, and I too have read that same article about T-bol before, I have also read that you say the gains stop around day 22.

Just wondering if anybody has any proof that taking it throughout would be more benificial as compared to somethin like 4wks on, 4wks off, and 4wks on.
 
bruce410 said:
mad props for that kind of weight loss, don't feel weak man you are one strong person to handle that with training and hard work. with that said tbol and test just like the good radar suggested.
in no way to i want to dispute with radar. in my experience and three other bros who used tbol many times, the gains went away around day 22-28. i don't reccomend tbol the whole time just for four weeks to kick off. 500mg of test e or cyp a week for 12 weeks with 4 weeks of tbol at 50mg ed to start. being that he is tuned in on diet it should be no problem for him to make lean gains on test, and tbol is only going to give lean gains and hardness.
 
bruce410 said:
in no way to i want to dispute with radar. in my experience and three other bros who used tbol many times, the gains went away around day 22-28. i don't reccomend tbol the whole time just for four weeks to kick off. 500mg of test e or cyp a week for 12 weeks with 4 weeks of tbol at 50mg ed to start. being that he is tuned in on diet it should be no problem for him to make lean gains on test, and tbol is only going to give lean gains and hardness.



The Germans won several olympic metals running Tbol in the 60's
I gained off of tbol all the way thru my cycle, so each article thats publishled you will get mixed reviews.
The only way to know is to run it ,10-12 weeks is sufficient enough.

after a peroid of time gains do slow, however strength gains along with endurance kept increasing.
RADAR
 
IMO ...
Exactly what RADAR said.

I'd just add this .... Get a complete blood test including test, cholesterol, esto, PSA, DHT and liver levels. Adjust your diet accordingly. It is probably time to add some colorful veggies into the mix. You won't regain fat on veggies.
 
Think I'll try with a 4 week jump start of t-bol, what would you recommend for novla doses and would I need any anti-e's WHILE taking the test?

TIA
 
dullboy is proud of you.

losing 80lbs requires dedication, desire and discipline.

dullboy would like to see you start with 40mg or so of anavar for 6 weeks (5 days on, 2 days off) and then step it up to 75mg (5 days on, 2 days off) for the following 6 weeks.

eat the same crap you're eating now but add 1000 calories to your diet (at least 100g of protein). maybe 2 isopure shakes each day.

check back with dullboy in 13 weeks.
 
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