First Cycle

[aasvirgin]

What's up guys. Hoping some of you will give me some feedback on my first planned cycle, and let me know if everything looks okay.

I am 27, 6'0, and my weight fluctuates between 210-215. I am not sure on body fat, I would say around 10-12%. I am not ripped, but you can see the outline of my abs. I used to powerlift and was a bit bigger than I am now, but I switched more towards bodybuilding the last couple years.

I go through the typically faces of bulking and cutting, but I have started to really plateau with both of those areas. During the bulking phase, I quickly hit a point where I just can't get any bigger or stronger without getting fat; and then with the cutting, I feel like everything I worked hard for is withering away off of me.

I have been researching this for awhile, and I feel I am ready for my first cycle. My lifting buddy has a few cycles under his belt, and he has helped me put together my first cycle. All the research I have done makes me feel like this is a really good set up, but I would still like more input.

The goal for my cycle is a clean bulk. I want to put on as much muscle as possible, without much fat. Then towards the end, I'd like to clean everything up a bit and get that really defined shredded look. Here is what we came up with.

1-12 Test E - 500mg/week (2 injects per week, Sun & Thurs)
1-4 Dianabol- 30mg/day (split am/pm)
9-12 Winstrol - 50mg/day (split am/pm)
1-14 Aromasin - 12.5mg/day
10-14 HCG - 500iu 2x/week

PCT
15-18 Clomid - 50/25/25/25
15-18 Nolva - 40/20/20/20
15-18 Aromasin - 12.5mg/eod

I will be using Cycle Assist while on the orals, and Lipid Stabil the entire cycle. I also will be using Animal Flex for joint support.

Please let me know what you think. I would like to start my cycle asap, and I need to know exactly what I need before I start. Thanks to everyone that helps.

 

[EZ_E]

Welcome to EF;

Drop the test to 400/week, that's plenty

And drop the winny, too much for a 1st cycle

I'm not crazy about your PCT, it's not bad it's just very minimal. Before I was on TRT, Post Cycle/Unleashed combo was a staple in my PCT

 

[aasvirgin]

If I drop the Test to 400mg a week, can I switch to Test Cyp? I can get a hold of Watson Test Cyp, but didn't want to use Test C because I've read it causes more water retention than others. I've read that you can't beat pharm grade Test, so I'd like to go that route if I could.

I've read about the Unleashed/Post Combo for PCT. I am not a big believer in Test Boosters, but I will look more into them.

Thanks for your advice!

 

[Francofranco]

Bro, just my opinion but why all the compounds? I always recommend a single compound run for first cycle. In the beginning you don't know what's doing what. That first run single compound will be huge. Let's say eat right( this is where you'll get the most out of your cycle) , train smart( another unchanging factor) , plus 500mg testp or e a week for 8-12 weeks and you'll make some awesome gains. Plus you'll have a better understanding to how your body reacts to test. What you don't want is to crash your first run and get burnt out. More is not always better. If you do want a little more than add sarms into your cycle and pct. I believe the sarms will enhance any cycle. Best of luck bro

 

[EZ_E]

If I drop the Test to 400mg a week, can I switch to Test Cyp? I can get a hold of Watson Test Cyp, but didn't want to use Test C because I've read it causes more water retention than others. I've read that you can't beat pharm grade Test, so I'd like to go that route if I could.

I've read about the Unleashed/Post Combo for PCT. I am not a big believer in Test Boosters, but I will look more into them.

Thanks for your advice!

Yes you can use eth or cyp it makes no difference

 

[aasvirgin]

Okay, great. So based on your suggestions, how does this look?

1-12 Test Cyp - 400mg/week
1-4 Dbol - 30mg/day
1-14 Aromasin - 12.5mg/day
10-14 HCG - 500iu 2x/week

15-18 Clomid - 50/25/25/25
15-18 Aromasin - 12.5mg/eod
15-18 Unleashed/Post Cycle

 

[EZ_E]

Okay, great. So based on your suggestions, how does this look?

1-12 Test Cyp - 400mg/week
1-4 Dbol - 30mg/day
1-14 Aromasin - 12.5mg/day
10-14 HCG - 500iu 2x/week

15-18 Clomid - 50/25/25/25
15-18 Aromasin - 12.5mg/eod
15-18 Unleashed/Post Cycle

Much better; with a strict diet & training regime you should do nicely.

N2Guard would be a good idea while "on" as well

 

[RickRock13]

You don't need two SERMS in PCT. It's a bit redundant, and you need to incorporate a quality test booster in there as well, because the SERMS provide a temporary effect. Once you come off of them your test levels will plummet unless you have a high quality booster in there to raise them naturally. I would also strongly suggest using Ostarine to help hold your gains post cycle. Here is how I would lay it out

Optimal PCT for best recovery:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquid Aromasin (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Test Stack 17 or Phytoserms (PM me or see threads below for info and discounts) http://w3.teststackrx.com/102.html
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

 

[aasvirgin]

Thanks again for the help. I will be using Cycle Assist and Lipid Stabil for cycle support.

What the difference between Unleashed/Post Cycle and Test Stack 17? Seems a bit over hyped to me.

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks again for the help. I will be using Cycle Assist and Lipid Stabil for cycle support.

What the difference between Unleashed/Post Cycle and Test Stack 17? Seems a bit over hyped to me.

Test Stack 17 has 12 different ingredients for boosting test and libido. It has the active compounds from Unleashed, HCGenerate, Phytoserms, and more all in one bottle. Its like buying several products in one, and its the best product of its kind on the market. The discount codes I sent you make it very affordable and a very good deal

 

[aasvirgin]

Thanks for the input again, and for the discount codes. I wasn't about ready to drop $200 on a Test Booster lol. What about combining Test Stack with Unleashed/Post Cycle? Would that be too much? I also did some reading on S-4, and think that could be a good sub for winstrol. So again, how does this look..

1-12 Test Cyp - 400mg/week
1-4 Dbol - 30mg/day
5-12 S-4 - 50mg/day

15-18 Clomid - 50/25/25/25
15-18 Aromasin - 12.5mg/eod
15-18 Test Stack 17 or Unleashed/Post cycle

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks for the input again, and for the discount codes. I wasn't about ready to drop $200 on a Test Booster lol. What about combining Test Stack with Unleashed/Post Cycle? Would that be too much? I also did some reading on S-4, and think that could be a good sub for winstrol. So again, how does this look..

1-12 Test Cyp - 400mg/week
1-4 Dbol - 30mg/day
5-12 S-4 - 50mg/day

15-18 Clomid - 50/25/25/25
15-18 Aromasin - 12.5mg/eod
15-18 Test Stack 17 or Unleashed/Post cycle

looks pretty good to me bro. Honestly I don't think you need to add Unleashed/Post cycle. Test Stack has everything you need. I would also suggest adding Ostarine to PCT if you are able to

 

[dylangemelli]

definitely add ostarine to your pct at 25 mg day... i would highly recommend adding sarms to your cycle to fully enhance it... 12 weeks of each... gw at-501516 at 20 mg day, s4 at 50 mg day and lgd-4033 at 10 mg day... SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators... there is a buy 2 get 1 free deal going on... take advantage of that...

 

[aasvirgin]

Thanks for the input, but I think that would be a bit too much for my first cycle. I want to get the most out of it, but at the same time I don't want to do too much.

So PCT should be like this?

1-4 Clomid 50/25/25/25
1-4 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod
1-4 Test Stack No. 17
1-4 Osta...? dosage?

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks for the input, but I think that would be a bit too much for my first cycle. I want to get the most out of it, but at the same time I don't want to do too much.

So PCT should be like this?

1-4 Clomid 50/25/25/25
1-4 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod
1-4 Test Stack No. 17
1-4 Osta...? dosage?

Yes, the PCT looks perfect. Run Ostarine at 25mg ED and make sure you get the high quality stuff from SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

 

[dylangemelli]

add gw-501516 at 20 mg day to your pct as well... SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators