First Cycle- Test E/C / Dbol

[cmarcell]

23 years old, heading quickly toward 24.
6'0" 185-190 lbs.
Been training since about 20 years old.
Medical Issues: IBS, Hypothyroidism
Medications: Synthroid (for thyroid), Probiotic for IBS, Multivitamin
Current Supplements: Whey Protein, CEE, Glutamine (more for IBS)

I have the basics for the cycle. I'm looking for advice on filling the details. Will not start cycle until absolutely ready and confident I'm putting together something great.

Wks:
1-10/12 Test E or C 400-500 mgs
1-4 Dbol 20 mg ED
1-4 Arimidex 1 mg ED
5-10/12 Arimidex .5 mg ED
14-15 Arimidex .25 mg ED
16-17 Arimidex .25 mg EOD

Then Clomid starting at 200 mgs ED wk 14, 100 mgs ED wk 15, 50 mgs ED wk 16 and 25 mgs ED weeks 17 and 18

So where do I need the most advice? Test E or Test C. I gather they are pretty much the same. The only thing I know is I can get Test E 250 or Test C 200. At first I was thinking if I wanted to do 500 mg I would take the Test E, and if I wanted only 400 mg I would do the Test C. But I figure I can do 500 mg for Test C also. It would just be a little more cash.

2nd, 10 or 12 weeks. It seems most would say 12. I'm open to either. Just trying to gather what you guys think for a first cycle. But it seems for Test 12 weeks is good.

3rd. I've been told by some to throw in some Deca. Maybe 200 mg a week for 8-10 weeks (if on a 12 week Test run). I would be more than happy to do 400 mg a week if this were cycle 2 or 3. So what do you guys think about adding some Deca for a first cycle? No harm no foul? Or absolutely not.

And PCT. It seems a lot of people love HCG. But it also seems this is more recommended for people doing long cycles (12+ weeks), mixing compounds, or taking more than a gram each week. I'm doing neither. And I'd really hate the amount of shots it would add. BUT, if it is recommended, I would go ahead. I hear good things about Arimidex, and adding some clomid.

Things I want to have on hand to avoid: Testicular shrinkage, gyno, acne, hair loss. Arimidex and clomid should handle most of that.

Anyway, feel free to give any advice whetehr positive or negative, or PM me to talk 1 on 1 if you really know your stuff and want to get a beginner on the right track and not do something dumb.

 

[centy]

The sides from your PCT are likely to be far worse than the sides from your cycle. Waaaay too much clomid.

Too much Arimidex to start with. You want to take as little as possible. .25 EOD or even E3D may be just fine.

I'd suggest hCG fo sho. It's very beneficial, and will help keep your grapes from raisining out. (And don't worry about the hCG shots - they are sub-q. You can't even feel them.)

Edit - Also, I'd go for 10 weeks for the first time.

 

[jagerbombme]

First off you better exercise extreme caution and awareness with a thyroid issue. it says right in my packet of my prescribed testosterone to watch for thyroid issues. so be careful bro. don't run deca on first cycle. keep it like you got it. i'd run

test e 500mg ew for as long as you like
dbol 20-40mg ed 1-6 tops
get aromasin, adex sucks
pct
clomid 50mg ed 1-30
nolvadex 20mg ed 1-40

 

[centy]

+1 no deca.

 

[cmarcell]

So the steroids themselves are going to be:

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500 mgs
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 20 mgs ED (once in morning before workout, once later on)

I realize I can take more Dbol, or even extend it, but for a first cycle I'm going to play it safe. I'm going to just take the 20 mgs ED for 4 weeks.

The rest I'm still having problems with. I've seen a lot of people recommend an aromasin for on cycle, and adex with nolva post cycle.

For the Nolva, it would be 40 mgs ED weeks 1-2 (or 13-14 in this case) and 20 mgs ED weeks 3-4 (or 15-16). I've heard some bad things about clomid, but also some good. There have been 2 things I've seen:

1. Clomid and Nolva
2. an AI and Nolva

These seem to be most popular out there. I've been researching Adex vs. Aromasin. Not a clear cut decision. But I have seen a lot of people running aromasin during cycle and adex after.

I def. want to run something during cycle to keep testicles from shrinking too much, to help prevent gyno before it happens, and to keep acne down.

 

[79steeler]

20mgs d-bol seems light. I did 40mgs for weeks 1-4 and really liked it. No sides.

 

[rudy76]

PCT,

HCG 500iu's twice a week starting half way through the cycle and continuing 2 weeks after last test injecton

Nolva 20mg ed for 4 weeks starting one week after last injection

Clomid 50mg ed for 6 weeks starting one week after last injection

Dermacrine Alpha 5 pumps ed for 4 weeks starting one week after last injection

Aromasin throughout if desired

Extra Nolva on hand for Gyno - 40mg ed until gyno symptoms are gone

Letrozole on hand if you're really worried about gyno.

Also, see how you react to 20mg dbol - it may be too light. You can increase it after a week once you know - don't go over 50mg for your first cycle.

The test would be good for 10 or 12 weeks. I'd go 12 if you use HCG, 10 or less if not.

 

[cmarcell]

Wouldn't that be a lot of shots, adding HCG 2x a week. I'm assuming you can mix this with steroids, but maybe not. The only places I feel comfortable injecting right now are glutes and thighs. But I read you should only shoot in one place every 10-14 days. Well I guess if I did glute, thight, other glute, other thigh...that would be fine. But only if I could mix the HCG and steroids.

I'd probably start week 1 with 20 mgs Dbol. Maybe jump to 30-40 mgs. But I'll see how things go week 1 first.

 

[cmarcell]

I'm correcting myself here. Sorry I forgot. Test is oil based. HCG water based. Cannot be mixed. So that would be 3 injections a week.

I'd be happy with 2 a week, but 3?

 

[rudy76]

Wouldn't that be a lot of shots, adding HCG 2x a week. I'm assuming you can mix this with steroids, but maybe not. The only places I feel comfortable injecting right now are glutes and thighs. But I read you should only shoot in one place every 10-14 days. Well I guess if I did glute, thight, other glute, other thigh...that would be fine. But only if I could mix the HCG and steroids.

I'd probably start week 1 with 20 mgs Dbol. Maybe jump to 30-40 mgs. But I'll see how things go week 1 first.

You can't mix it but you can just go get some insuling pins and inject sub Q not IM. No pain with a small needle.

 

[cmarcell]

Thanks man I was actually just reading up on SubQ injections.