First Cycle, Questions

[M2QCB]

I have listed below the cycle I intend to start in 2 months, If anyone could critique it I would be grateful

Stats.
Age. 26
Height. 6'0''
Weight. 192
BF. 10%
Years Training. 5

Proposed cycle.

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 HCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

PCT

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Vitamin C 2-3g per day to control cortisol.

Couple of questions I have

What is the correct start time for PCT after a prop cycle? I have heard anything from 3 days to a week.

Would It be a good idea to run Anavar @ 60mg ED for 6 weeks? or leave it for a later cycle?

Goal for the cycle is >200lbs @ 10%

Thanks.

 

[M2QCB]

Also should I dose prop 150mg EOD or 100mg EOD?

 

[joeblow12345]

I have listed below the cycle I intend to start in 2 months, If anyone could critique it I would be grateful

Stats.
Age. 26
Height. 6'0''
Weight. 192
BF. 10%
Years Training. 5

Proposed cycle.

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 HCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

PCT

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Vitamin C 2-3g per day to control cortisol.

Couple of questions I have

What is the correct start time for PCT after a prop cycle? I have heard anything from 3 days to a week.

Would It be a good idea to run Anavar @ 60mg ED for 6 weeks? or leave it for a later cycle?

Goal for the cycle is >200lbs @ 10%

Thanks.

Ok drop the aromasin to eod. Taking too much will wipe out all estrogen and screw you out of any gains. Hcg doesn't need to be ran from week one. Start it week 6 and run it till 9. Your pct sucks as well. That combo and dosage is asking for trouble. Run pct like this.

3 days after last pin till week 12

Clomid 25 mg day
Post cycle/ unleashed
Daa and dspark combo
Ai - if necessary but the dspark should be enough

Week 12-16 bridge from Ntbm

 

[Alphacore200]

I have listed below the cycle I intend to start in 2 months, If anyone could critique it I would be grateful

Stats.
Age. 26
Height. 6'0''
Weight. 192
BF. 10%
Years Training. 5

Proposed cycle.

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 HCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

PCT

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Vitamin C 2-3g per day to control cortisol.

Couple of questions I have

What is the correct start time for PCT after a prop cycle? I have heard anything from 3 days to a week.

Would It be a good idea to run Anavar @ 60mg ED for 6 weeks? or leave it for a later cycle?

Goal for the cycle is >200lbs @ 10%

Thanks.

Others might think differently...but this is what I would do

1-10 Test Prop 100mg eod
1-10 Aromasin 12.5mg eod (you can up if needed)
4-10 Anavar 40/40/50/50/60/60mg
8-10 HCG 500 iu wk
10-11 HCG 1000 iu wk

PCT
11-14 Clomid 50/50/25/25 or 25/25/25/25
11-14 Unleashed / Post Cycle Combo
11-14 DAA Power chews
11-14 Forma 10 pumps (5 am/ 5pm)

after
15-18 Bridge

Bloods 1-2 months after

What is your diet like?

 

[joeblow12345]

Others might think differently...but this is what I would do

1-10 Test Prop 100mg eod
1-10 Aromasin 12.5mg eod (you can up if needed)
4-10 Anavar 40/40/50/50/60/60mg
8-10 HCG 500 iu wk
10-11 HCG 1000 iu wk

PCT
11-14 Clomid 50/50/25/25 or 25/25/25/25
11-14 Unleashed / Post Cycle Combo
11-14 DAA Power chews
11-14 Forma 10 pumps (5 am/ 5pm)

after
15-18 Bridge

Bloods 1-2 months after

What is your diet like?

That's a decent layout however that var dose is weak at best. If you want real results from var it needs to be ran at 80-100 mg day. I wouldn't waste the money running it that low. That's why I didn't bother putting it in.

 

[shibs]

I disagree from the other posters above with the hcg. Hcg is meant to be ran while on, definitely not as a pct. I would do it week 1-6 250iu every 4 days. The reason for this is you want to run it to prevent shut down during your cycle, but not so much that it desensitizes your body. You wanna stop it about 2 weeks prior to pct start/aas clearing from the system so your body is sensitive to the hormones that your pct is going to introduce. If you ran too much or all the way through the end your body could be less sensitive to your pct making for a rougher landing. Just my 2 cents though, every has a different opinion.

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[Nelson Montana]

I disagree from the other posters above with the hcg. Hcg is meant to be ran while on, definitely not as a pct. I would do it week 1-6 250iu every 4 days. The reason for this is you want to run it to prevent shut down during your cycle, but not so much that it desensitizes your body. You wanna stop it about 2 weeks prior to pct start/aas clearing from the system so your body is sensitive to the hormones that your pct is going to introduce. If you ran too much or all the way through the end your body could be less sensitive to your pct making for a rougher landing. Just my 2 cents though, every has a different opinion.

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HCG isn't "meant" to even be taken by men. It's all speculation.

 

[M2QCB]

Ok drop the aromasin to eod. Taking too much will wipe out all estrogen and screw you out of any gains. Hcg doesn't need to be ran from week one. Start it week 6 and run it till 9. Your pct sucks as well. That combo and dosage is asking for trouble. Run pct like this.

3 days after last pin till week 12

Clomid 25 mg day
Post cycle/ unleashed
Daa and dspark combo
Ai - if necessary but the dspark should be enough

Week 12-16 bridge from Ntbm

why does that PCT combo suck? Almost everyone I know uses similar. I have never heard of anyone using the products you listed. It seems as if this site is designed to pimp out those products.

 

[bonacris]

why does that PCT combo suck? Almost everyone I know uses similar. I have never heard of anyone using the products you listed. It seems as if this site is designed to pimp out those products.

Well you can do it the hard way and figure it out yourself.. I've done the nolva/clomid pct and felt like shit.. no motivation to train or eat.. I crushed estrogen so much a couldn't get it up for a week, lost almost all my gains because neither of these products boost test production, I got bad acne, became depressed and had headaches all the time..

My second cycle I used unleashed/ forged post cycle
Formastanzol
DAA
And I felt fucking awesome. Libido was up more than on cycle, no depression, kept majority of gains exception of water. I got some acne but nowhere near as bad was only a few red spots..

I didn't run blood test which I should have but I felt awesome if that's any consolation..

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[jerome simpson]

^^^not trying to offend but that response is pretty heavy on the bro-science

 

[dylangemelli]

i see no problem in running anavar on this cycle... you can run it the entire 8 weeks if you want... i would not exceed 8 weeks with any oral but i have done it plenty of times and its just fine... make sure you run n2guard with it...

start your pct 2-3 days after your last injection...

your running hcg too long on your layout... week 5-8 is plenty... 5-6 at 500 ius week and 7-8 at 1000 ius week...

 

[bonacris]

^^^not trying to offend but that response is pretty heavy on the bro-science

No offence taken brother I clearly said i didn't get a blood test but it made me feel a lot better.. so make of that what you will

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[joeblow12345]

why does that PCT combo suck? Almost everyone I know uses similar. I have never heard of anyone using the products you listed. It seems as if this site is designed to pimp out those products.

Well it sucks because the dosages are too high and nolva isn't necessary. Clomid at 25 mg day is sufficient enough. Any more and the sides go way up with no additional benefits. The supps I suggested will boost natty test and free test, while lowering estrogen and cleansing your system which put you in a good position to recover. Nolva will give you a temporary boost but its often followed by a huge crash from estrogen rebounding after discontinuation. So IMO its a bad idea to use it for pct, but if you must then see for yourself.

 

[M2QCB]

i see no problem in running anavar on this cycle... you can run it the entire 8 weeks if you want... i would not exceed 8 weeks with any oral but i have done it plenty of times and its just fine... make sure you run n2guard with it...

start your pct 2-3 days after your last injection...

your running hcg too long on your layout... week 5-8 is plenty... 5-6 at 500 ius week and 7-8 at 1000 ius week...

So HCG is unnecessary at the beginning of the cycle? which days would you inject HCG? on the same day as pinning test prop of on an off day? Does it make a difference?

 

[dylangemelli]

So HCG is unnecessary at the beginning of the cycle? which days would you inject HCG? on the same day as pinning test prop of on an off day? Does it make a difference?

I laid out how to run hcg already... twice a week... monday and thursday is fine... as long as its spread out properly twice a week it makes no difference... you don't run hcg an entire cycle...

 

[RADAR]

Agree^^^^^ you do not need it the entire cycle.

And for the record we are not pimping product, just telling it like it is, the products mentioned are designed to be the best recovery system to date, and thats the ballgame in keeping your gains, however run what you want, personally i like PCT that make me feel great and boosts libido while restarting HPTA, clomid & nova does not do this.