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First Cycle - Please Review

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TimeToGrow

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I am planning on taking my first cycle. Please review.

I am planning on taking 500 MG's of Test a week. I can get testosterone enanthate, Sus, or testosterone cypionate. Sus was suggested but I read otherwise on this board. Why would I choose Enth or Cyp over Sus? I thought the only difference was the esters/halflife since test is test?

Cycle:

Weeks 1-8: 500mg Test/week
Week 10-15: 20mg Novladex a day.

I wasn't planning on taking HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - should I? I have read contradicting things on HCG.

I plan on eating 4500 calories a day - beef, chicken, ww pasta, brown rice, weight gainer, protein powder, milk, etc.

I am 26, 5' 10", 185lbs, at about 12% BF.

Thoughts? I am really curious about my PCT - post cycle therapy - . Do I require HCG and if so why?

I will take any feedback, I have done a lot of research but I am by no means an expert which is why I am asking you to look it over
 
you dont need that much test as long as you have a clean diet and proper training, maybe ten weeks of test and no need for that much nolva. imo nolva is shit, made me go crazy. try clomid at 50mg ed for 20-30 days.
 
lool ur dosages are fine, im running trenbolone enanthate for 6 weeks at 200mg and testosterone enanthate for 500mg for 10 weeks and im only 17, trust you will make some nice gains on that cycle. u got ur diet sorted and pct you should be fine
 
evilb said:
lool ur dosages are fine, im running trenbolone enanthate for 6 weeks at 200mg and testosterone enanthate for 500mg for 10 weeks and im only 17, trust you will make some nice gains on that cycle. u got ur diet sorted and PCT - post cycle therapy - you should be fine
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:rolleyes:
 
evilb said:
lool ur dosages are fine, im running trenbolone enanthate for 6 weeks at 200mg and testosterone enanthate for 500mg for 10 weeks and im only 17, trust you will make some nice gains on that cycle. u got ur diet sorted and PCT - post cycle therapy - you should be fine
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hahahahahahahahahahaha good luck for the future, your gona need it. this is why big cracker should still be here, im going to refrain from posting what i really think
 
evilb said:
lool ur dosages are fine, im running trenbolone enanthate for 6 weeks at 200mg and testosterone enanthate for 500mg for 10 weeks and im only 17, trust you will make some nice gains on that cycle. u got ur diet sorted and PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - you should be fine
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sorry to break the news to you but unless your nuts were cut off last year in a freak blow job/ braces clamping-- you should in no way be anywhere near synthetic hormones.. PERIOD... you dont think down the road far enough to realize the wool you MIGHT be pullin right now because of your usage and working out is not worth what the long term effects are on your body--- ESPECIALLY if you are already running trenbolone.. i FEEL sorry for your future psychologist. I really do. You are truly an idiot with an I DON"T THINK THE RULES SHOULD APPLY TO ME attitude about the only body you have been given.

OR as RED would say on "That 70's Show"...... DUMBASS!

OH YEAH, DONT GIVE ANY ADVICE ON THIS BOARD AT ALL TO NEWBIES
 
looool whats the big deal using juice at 17 in fact its one of the best times to start because you literally grow like a weed your just jealous and you wish you could be in my place succccckkkkeeeerrrrrr
 
evilb said:
looool whats the big deal using juice at 17 in fact its one of the best times to start because you literally grow like a weed your just jealous and you wish you could be in my place succccckkkkeeeerrrrrr
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do not give advise on this board, you have no idea what your talking about, this is one of the most stupid responces i have ever heard.


how fitting would the retard alert be right about now?
 
evilb said:
looool whats the big deal using juice at 17 in fact its one of the best times to start because you literally grow like a weed your just jealous and you wish you could be in my place succccckkkkeeeerrrrrr
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Good luck w/ the HRT starting @ 25 bro...I'll be soooooooooo jealous then :rolleyes:
 
...only 17.. . You're too young and you should be taking advantage of your natty test levels while they are still high. Steroids will stop you from growing so you should wait until you are 21+. Keep training naturally and eat like a monster and you can break 200 pounds naturally.
 
not to mention that this is the most NATURALLY developmental stage in your life both in BODY and in your MENTAL views and VALUES you associate with life and living.. the real CORE of who you are... yo u need to grow into an adult before you ENHANCE it while still being able to realize what this stuff does to you and your emotions. Where will your peace of mind be later in life if your values are built on this dramatic of an influence when you dont know who you even are yet.... later when your natural hormones stop being produced naturally by your body.. what then?? like i said-- i feel really sorry for your future psychotherapist cause youll be on xanax by the time you're 25.. then youll be depressed about being out of shape
 
Ummm... Thanks for the Thread Jack by the 17 year old. Can you experts help me make a RESPONSIBLE descision. Does my stuff below look okay?

And to the 17 yr old... i wanted to do it when i was your age too - i waited 10 more years and you should too.

TimeToGrow said:
I am planning on taking my first cycle. Please review.

I am planning on taking 500 MG's of Test a week. I can get testosterone enanthate, Sus, or testosterone cypionate. Sus was suggested but I read otherwise on this board. Why would I choose testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate over Sus? I thought the only difference was the esters/halflife since test is test?

Cycle:

Weeks 1-8: 500mg Test/week
Week 10-15: 20mg Novladex a day.

I wasn't planning on taking HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - should I? I have read contradicting things on HCG.

I plan on eating 4500 calories a day - beef, chicken, ww pasta, brown rice, weight gainer, protein powder, milk, etc.

I am 26, 5' 10", 185lbs, at about 12% BF.

Thoughts? I am really curious about my PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . Do I require HCG and if so why?

I will take any feedback, I have done a lot of research but I am by no means an expert which is why I am asking you to look it over
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you won't need HCG. If I were you I would opt for cypionate for 10 weeks at 350 mgs week.

Nolvadex for 4 weeks at 20 mgs p.c.t.

A couple cycles down the road you can use 500 mgs test. week but for now less is more.

Perhaps your next cycle you can try clomid for 4 weeks for pct at 50 mgs day, just to see which compound works better for you in pct.

if your happy with your gains after being on 8 weeks (12-16 lbs) maybe consider ending your cycle at that time and running pct.

ps, if your test cyp. is 250 mgs per cc, then 1.4 cc's would give you 350 mgs., one shot a week is all you need.


good luck!
 
evilb said:
looool whats the big deal using juice at 17 in fact its one of the best times to start because you literally grow like a weed your just jealous and you wish you could be in my place succccckkkkeeeerrrrrr
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I feel sorry for you when the day comes where you say; "How could I have been such an asshole!"
 
Nelson Montana said:
I feel sorry for you when the day comes where you say; "How could I have been such an asshole!"
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I cant believe this kid even said that.I know theres a no flaming rule but we might have to get brr in this thread and have him give the ok.
 
back to the cycle,
1-10 test of your choice
and I would personaly take HCG. It helps keep nuts normal throughout +I always feel great on it with easy recovery after
 
to the original poster:

250 mgs ew should do u fine. I think a single ester is most appropriate for a firsttimer becausse its easier to identify the source of any problems that may arise. my suggestion would be test e because of the long halflife which make it easy to keep things stable and because human grade e is cheap and easy to get.

Nolva should be ok for pct. I dont think u'll need hcg but keep an eye on the boys to see if they shrink. U might wanna add some derma sustain. If nolva disagrees with u like it does with xrsist try aromasin or clomid.

All told ur good to go.

To the kid:

Get help. I really hope that the damage ur doing to urself wont be as bad as i think it might.
 
First of all to everyone who addressed my question - thank you very much!

Question 1
So 250 MGs is a good first cycle? I have read a lot about taking 500? I don't want to go on another cycle for some time so I thought i'd take 500 but if you suggest 250 - i'll trust the experts.

I have clomid and novla on hand (just gotta get my test). So I'll plan on taking the Novla PCT and if it disagrees then i'll use the clomid.

As far as HCG goes - everything I hear has to do with shrunken nuts. I am single and not likely to b e with many girls over the 8-10 weeks I am on gear as I will be concentrating on three things

Eating/Sleeping/Training

Question 2
So can i just live with the shrunken nuts?


Thanks again for all the help. I've looked around and this by far the best site!!!


rambleon said:
to the original poster:

250 mgs ew should do u fine. I think a single ester is most appropriate for a firsttimer becausse its easier to identify the source of any problems that may arise. my suggestion would be testosterone enanthate because of the long halflife which make it easy to keep things stable and because human grade e is cheap and easy to get.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - should be ok for PCT - post cycle therapy - . I dont think u'll need HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - but keep an eye on the boys to see if they shrink. U might wanna add some derma sustain. If Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - disagrees with u like it does with xrsist try aromasin or clomid.

All told ur good to go.

To the kid:

Get help. I really hope that the damage ur doing to urself wont be as bad as i think it might.
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TimeToGrow said:
I am planning on taking my first cycle. Please review.

I am planning on taking 500 MG's of Test a week. I can get testosterone enanthate, Sus, or testosterone cypionate. Sus was suggested but I read otherwise on this board. Why would I choose testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate over Sus? I thought the only difference was the esters/halflife since test is test?

Cycle:

Weeks 1-8: 500mg Test/week
Week 10-15: 20mg Novladex a day.

I wasn't planning on taking HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - should I? I have read contradicting things on HCG.

I plan on eating 4500 calories a day - beef, chicken, ww pasta, brown rice, weight gainer, protein powder, milk, etc.

I am 26, 5' 10", 185lbs, at about 12% BF.

Thoughts? I am really curious about my PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . Do I require HCG and if so why?

I will take any feedback, I have done a lot of research but I am by no means an expert which is why I am asking you to look it over
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Half the TEST IMO and do some more homework on your PCT. Stick around and READ your ass off. ASK as many questions as you can. I can say its nice to see your not taken the ROCKSTAR path with a huge stack, good for you bro!

Good luck.

Oh yea look at age, stats, post numbers, on the people you take advice from.
 
evilb said:
lool ur dosages are fine, im running trenbolone enanthate for 6 weeks at 200mg and testosterone enanthate for 500mg for 10 weeks and im only 17, trust you will make some nice gains on that cycle. u got ur diet sorted and PCT - post cycle therapy - you should be fine
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Ok my friend I want to talk to you not at you so please listen...
What you are doing is dangerous to your health and could have some serious LONG TERM effects that you dont want.
I have a close friend in Detroit that did the same thing his senior year and into University. One day his dick STOPPED working, the end , no more, zip, done, etc etc etc. Now on the other hand he looks like a GQ model and has a 10 TEN for a girlfrind BUT he needs to go into the bathroom and stick a needle in the side of his LIMP DICK to inject a drug to produce a erection.(Talk about a mood killer) PLUS his body is so messed up he will be on HRT the rest of his life.(That$ a nice bill to pay every month FOREVER.)

The other bros may sound like they are picking on you and some are BUT for the most part we are trying to SAVE you from hurting yourself.

Some bros would love to see you whacked from this forum but I want you to stay around and LEARN so when the day comes for you to gear up you will be cutting edge smart and know from A to Z what to do and NOT to do.

Take care and good luck my friend.
 
BigGuyPHX said:
Half the TEST IMO and do some more homework on your PCT - post cycle therapy - . Stick around and READ your ass off. ASK as many questions as you can. I can say its nice to see your not taken the ROCKSTAR path with a huge stack, good for you bro!

Good luck.

Oh yea look at age, stats, post numbers, on the people you take advice from.
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Thanks. I will run 250MGs/week.

As far as PCT goes I have doen so much research and it seems every site has a different take on it and they all are so confident. Some say HCG during a cycle only, some say after, some say both, some say none. Most seem to say Novla is better then clomid and both are not neccesary. Then there are the "others" such armidex and what not. I love the thought of taking 20 mgs of nolva for a few weeks as it doesn't get much easier then that but at hte end of the day ill do whatever takes in terms of $$$ and inconvience to maintain my gains and minimize health related side effects...
 
here..i did 250mg/week for my first cycle TEST E for 10 weeks...grew like crazy i went from 175 to 200... i ate properly and trained properly... if you can do that you'll be fine... PCT i used clomid 50mg and nolv 20mg/day...i had no sides.

good luck!!
 
TimeToGrow said:
First of all to everyone who addressed my question - thank you very much!

Question 1
So 250 MGs is a good first cycle? I have read a lot about taking 500? I don't want to go on another cycle for some time so I thought i'd take 500 but if you suggest 250 - i'll trust the experts.

I have clomid and novla on hand (just gotta get my test). So I'll plan on taking the Novla PCT - post cycle therapy - and if it disagrees then i'll use the clomid.

As far as HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - goes - everything I hear has to do with shrunken nuts. I am single and not likely to b e with many girls over the 8-10 weeks I am on gear as I will be concentrating on three things

Eating/Sleeping/Training

Question 2
So can i just live with the shrunken nuts?


Thanks again for all the help. I've looked around and this by far the best site!!!
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Q1: Yes. 250 mg ew is perfect for a first run.
q2: No. If they shrink i really think u should start hcg at once. I'm not an expert on this but as a man is this something u want to fuck around with? Thought not.

Good luck man. Get growin'
 
To The 17 Yr Ole Juicer! You Really Need To Kick The Habit If You Noticed Everyone On This Thread Is Saying The Same Thing About You , Your To Young Your Killing Yourself Etc Etc. And They Are Right You Are. The James Dean "live Fast Die And Leave A Good Looking Corpus " Was Just A Line In A Movie. Don't You Want To Have Kids With Out Birth Defects Or Even Once You Hook Up With A Smoking Hot Babe Don't You Want To Please Her No Get Laughed At For Having "limp Dick And Raisins For Nads?" Let Me Tell You It's Not All Gravy And Your Not Indestructible Because You Think So. Just Like The Rest Of The Bro's Here Aas Is A Choice We All Make And Understand The Fall Out That Comes With It, But You At Your Age Need To Eat Clean And Pay Your Dues In The Gym In Reps And Sweat.and It Will Pay Off For You Being So Young Stop Taking The Easy Way Out Cause Once You Get To College The Ncaa Does Piss Test And If U Piss Dirty There Goes Your Playtime And If You Get A Free Ride To College Kiss It Good Bye Cause You'll Never Be Able To Compete With The Kids That Earned There Way On That Team.good Luck And Get A Grip Life's To Short To Be So Stupid So Young....................................fmt
 
bruv number 1 i dont live in america i come from london, number 2 i know for a fact my body stopped growing coz im 6,5 and i been that heilght for 2 years now and im gonna be 18 in 2 months, the stuff with girls and not getting erections i dont give a shit loool ill choose bigger muscles over a dick anyday, and the thing with hrt starting at 25 is bulllssshhiiitittt, arnold started at 13 and hes fine, my mates have started when they were 15, one of thems twenty and perfectly fine and muscles big as hell, come on u know that 17-18-19 is one of the best ages to start gear as your body will grow like helll so dont give me bullshit that i will need hrt, im not a moron i study chemistry and i know well around cycles and pcts so there you go eough of this bullshit that im too young to juice, u lot are having a laugh
 
I have to say, as a 45 year old (new to gear, NOT to lifting) this attitude from these young juicers concerns me....they are just KIDS and think they know it all from reading a book.

I want the next 25 years of MY life to be the absolute best they can be...I want to die looking like god..... I came to this forum for expert advise on this new adventure I am, theoretically, embarking upon....and these guys really DO know what they are talking about. Sure, I've been reading for YEARS on it... and have stayed natty, up until now, and I for one, plan on listening to these guys and doing it RIGHT.

You are the kind of kids (or people) that someone can spot a mile away...ass-holes looking for an excuse to be "bigger" ass-holes... and from what I've read...you've succeeded. This is not meant to be a flame...but reading crap like this really scares me. And I pity you fools for not taking the side of reason (in the form of your experts and moderators) who've been down the road....

So thanks for clarifying that I, personally, am doing the right thing by actually utilizing the excellent information this group provides. And for reminding me to keep the hell away from idiots like you....
 
Too young to start with steroids, why not try something easier like making sure your workout and diet are in check. At 17/18 years old, everyone thinks they are an expert at everything. So, you've read some posts and are now ready to go to the darkside. Start with steroids at such an early age would be stupid.Educate before you medicate. I'm not trying to flame you or be harsh, I'm just giving you a dose of reality.

Most member would kill to have the test levels that you have right now. And you have them naturally.

Peace
 
evilb i am in near the same situation as you, going against the grain because i want to be something but in the mean time stop being a stupid prick, bust your ass and prove everyone wrong and don't embarrass young guys like me who actually give a fuck.
 
solidspine You only get one first cycle,

I would recommend you increase the testosterone enanthate to 1 gram per week.

what kind of an idot are you solid spine telling the guy to do a gram a week on a cycle, you should be doing 500mg a week max man thats it.
 
This whole "make the most of your first cycle" is so retarded. That's like saying "Make the most of your first workout and train for 12 hours!
 
i don't think its that nelson but that its a whole new world you're jumping into and the new guys (myself included) just wanna make sure were on the right track.
 
b_light said:
i don't think its that nelson but that its a whole new world you're jumping into and the new guys (myself included) just wanna make sure were on the right track.
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I was referring to solid spines ridiculous advice. What makes it more curious is the guy didn;t start until he was older but I sense a little obsession. Never listed to people who are obsessed.

You're not responsible for what others your age do. You're responsible for YOU. Bodybuilding can be a lot of fun, rewarding and a great lifestyle. I'd say using juice too young is a step towrds quitting young. I've seen it time and time again. The guys who are still doing it in their forties and looking good are usually the guys who trained for 10 years before even touching the sauce.
 
Id have to agree with you on that nelson, my trainer didnt touch juice till he was much older and he looks like he's been juicing since his 20's.
 
evilb said:
solidspine You only get one first cycle,

I would recommend you increase the testosterone enanthate to 1 gram per week.

what kind of an idot are you solid spine telling the guy to do a gram a week on a cycle, you should be doing 500mg a week max man thats it.
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Ummmmm?

Ya know a few bros here tried to help you but at 17 I'm sure you know more than guys who have been budybuilding longer than you have been alive. So choke on your gear, and show the world just how smart you are. OMG! I cant believe you said you would "trade your dick to have big muscles" what the fuck??? If my dick stopped working I would shoot myself in the fucking head! Hey thats cool when some skinny guy is banging your girl like a pornstar and he wipes his still hard cock off on your girlfriend's face then you can give her a BIG WET KISS and show her your huge muscles and limp dick. :blow:

Oh yea take the time to read the sticky
New Rule on the Anabolic Forum. Must Read For All...
"BTW- There will be NO WARNINGS. If you come to EF one day and your account is not working anymore. That means you probably acted like a Dickhole at some point in the past 24hrs."

I wasted enough time on you.

Oh yea one more thing London boy...

SOCCER SUCKS MATE!

NFL IS FOOTBALL! :dance2:
 
xrsist said:
do not give advise on this board, you have no idea what your talking about, this is one of the most stupid responces i have ever heard.


how fitting would the retard alert be right about now?
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No shit eh!!! This is one of those responses that deserves a serious flamming.....but thats not goin' to happen I guess. But at least now that he's opened his mouth we know who we're dealing with, not onlly that but he just shot himself in the foot! I think the real sucker here is......well.......you "timetogrow"
 
evilb said:
bruv number 1 i dont live in america i come from london, number 2 i know for a fact my body stopped growing coz im 6,5 and i been that heilght for 2 years now and im gonna be 18 in 2 months, the stuff with girls and not getting erections i dont give a shit loool ill choose bigger muscles over a dick anyday, and the thing with hrt starting at 25 is bulllssshhiiitittt, arnold started at 13 and hes fine, my mates have started when they were 15, one of thems twenty and perfectly fine and muscles big as hell, come on u know that 17-18-19 is one of the best ages to start gear as your body will grow like helll so dont give me bullshit that i will need hrt, im not a moron i study chemistry and i know well around cycles and pcts so there you go eough of this bullshit that im too young to juice, u lot are having a laugh
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hahaha :rolleyes:
 
evilb said:
bruv number 1 i dont live in america i come from london, number 2 i know for a fact my body stopped growing coz im 6,5 and i been that heilght for 2 years now and im gonna be 18 in 2 months, the stuff with girls and not getting erections i dont give a shit loool ill choose bigger muscles over a dick anyday, and the thing with hrt starting at 25 is bulllssshhiiitittt, arnold started at 13 and hes fine, my mates have started when they were 15, one of thems twenty and perfectly fine and muscles big as hell, come on u know that 17-18-19 is one of the best ages to start gear as your body will grow like helll so dont give me bullshit that i will need hrt, im not a moron i study chemistry and i know well around cycles and pcts so there you go eough of this bullshit that im too young to juice, u lot are having a laugh
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MAN....you are some arrogant and disrespectful to this board, anyone agree!

Dude you need to chill out for your own good.
 
GUESS said:
MAN....you are some arrogant and disrespectful to this board, anyone agree!

Dude you need to chill out for your own good.
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how can i not be arrogant and disrespectful, all i was tryna do in the first place was help the guy out to sort his cycle and then you lot start ganging up on me that im 17 blah blah blah BIG DEAL i know what im doing so please i dont want this discussion to be continued as its wasting everyones time, stick to the topic and help the guy out with his cycle ,
 
evilb said:
how can i not be arrogant and disrespectful, all i was tryna do in the first place was help the guy out to sort his cycle and then you lot start ganging up on me that im 17 blah blah blah BIG DEAL i know what im doing so please i dont want this discussion to be continued as its wasting everyones time, stick to the topic and help the guy out with his cycle ,
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Hey Mr.17 you have made other arrogant and disrespectful posts outside of this thread so its not the first time and as for "helping" timetogetbig sort out his cycle who the hell in thier right mind would listen to a KID!

Incase you missed my post I will serve it to you again...

Ya know a few bros here tried to help you but at 17 I'm sure you know more than guys who have been budybuilding longer than you have been alive. So choke on your gear, and show the world just how smart you are. OMG! I cant believe you said you would "trade your dick to have big muscles" what the fuck??? If my dick stopped working I would shoot myself in the fucking head! Hey thats cool when some skinny guy is banging your girl like a pornstar and he wipes his still hard cock off on your girlfriend's face then you can give her a BIG WET KISS and show her your huge muscles and limp dick. :blow:

Oh yea take the time to read the sticky
New Rule on the Anabolic Forum. Must Read For All...
"BTW- There will be NO WARNINGS. If you come to EF one day and your account is not working anymore. That means you probably acted like a Dickhole at some point in the past 24hrs."

I wasted enough time on you.

Oh yea one more thing London boy...

SOCCER SUCKS MATE!

NFL IS FOOTBALL! :dance2:
 
xrsist said:
hahahahahahahahahahaha good luck for the future, your gona need it. this is why big cracker should still be here, im going to refrain from posting what i really think
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bro , i've been out for a few days...big cracker is gone ?
 
yeah what happened to big cracker? Glad everyone else is setting this guy straight and thinking the same way i am about it being so young myself.
 
evilb said:
how can i not be arrogant and disrespectful, all i was tryna do in the first place was help the guy out to sort his cycle and then you lot start ganging up on me that im 17 blah blah blah BIG DEAL i know what im doing so please i dont want this discussion to be continued as its wasting everyones time, stick to the topic and help the guy out with his cycle ,
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you are in no position to give any advise. you should still be learning and training naturally
 
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