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AlbinoAssassin

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This is my first post. I have been an observer for a few years. I would appreciate any input you have on my first cycle. I am 22 years old with 6 years of training experience. My stats are 6'2, 207, w/ 6% bodyfat. I am thinking about running 500mg's of test a week and 200mg's of EQ a week for 10 weeks. Is that too much test for a beginner cycle? I will also have the appropriate pst cycle and ancillaries. I have done a ton of research on this, but I would like a little confirmation. I am willing to sacrifice larger gains for slower more quality gains. I am planning on trying to compete in a year or two. I would like to put on 10-15 keepable pounds after all is said and done. I am also a little acne prone, I am on tetracycline right now. Thanks for you help! :D
 
I would run your first cycle like this:

Week 1-10 Test @ 500mg/week
Week 1-10 Eq @ 400mg/week

You will be fine with such low doses!! Good luck with your cycle bro!
 
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I.M.O those doses are way too high for a 1st cycle. I would never recommend a cycle like that let alone take one for the 1st time in that fashion. Bro our bodies produce a certain amount of test each week and there is a similarity between big, small, avg., etc. males. We produce roughly close tyo the same amount regardless of your size. Don't get me wrong u will have acceptions but in general what i am getting at is there is no reason to use such a high does. The most i would go at one time for the 1st cycle would be 500mgs/week tops and thats a single ester to keep blood levels stable and also just that. You need to see how your body reacts to test. and also remember the higher the dosage the more the sides!!!! If you can't grow off of 250 mgs/week let alone 500mgs./week for your 1st cycle then u need to check your diet or training becuase that is where the problem lies. Good luck with your decision bro!!!! ~JT~
 
Ninja, do you think I should just run one or the other and not both? Or should I split it up to 250mg's test/wk and 250mg's EQ/wk? I think I would rather run more EQ and less test. Test kind of puts the fear in my heart . I don't want to bloat up and gain a lot of water weight, I would rather stay nice and tight.
 
i bet you would get great gains if you went with 250 of each..

but at the same time dont think 500 of each is too high for a first cycle because many people take that for a first cycle and love the results
 
I definitely agree with tech 1. Go with the 500mg test and 400 mg EQ/ week. Its your first cycle and youre already a big boy so make it count. Dont use sust use enanthate for your test. Eat plenty of protein while youre on EQ. Keep a good diet and train hard. Let us all know how it goes. Later
 
Great info guys! Would it be a good idea for me to start out at a lower total milligram and then ramp it up? Maybe start out at 250mg's of test and 250 mg's EQ a week then bump up the test to 500 after a couple of weeks. Do I need to test (pardon the pun) my tolerance? :idea:
 
i ran 250mg of each on my first cycle and had incredible gains. i kept about 25lbs and stayed lean after everything was said and done. running more would just be overkill, increase the sides, and cause you to require higher dosages down the road. I would also look into the acne antibiotic your using. i believe tetra is counter productive to protein synthesis.
 
Man, I don't post for almost a year and come back to people tellin' a newbie to start off w/1000mg per week cycle!

This is something he's never tried! He "could" have a be reaction to juice! It's like tellin' hime to shoot 5 bags of dope at once cause he'll get a better high!

ALBINO, u said u wanted slow keepable gains. Don't do more than 500mg/wk of aas, make sure your diet is on, get enough sleep, and train balls to the wall----you won't be dissapointed!
 
Thanks for sharing your experience Surfcramp. I think I will try the 500mg's (atleast initially) a week, this being my first cycle I would rather start out lower. If I can't grow off of 500mg's a week something is wrong with me. I have pretty good genetics, and a big frame. If I don't feel like that is working I can always increase it, or rethink my diet and training. To the comment made by Maxx Out about me needing to assess my tolerance to gear I agree with that. I don't want to get in over my head and have a bad experience. I am a pretty conservative guy, I don't drink or smoke or anything of that nature so this is a pretty big step for me. After educating myself, I realized AAS doesn't have to be unhealthy or dangerous if used intelligently. :D
 
You're 6'2, 207 lbs and 6% bf, why dont you consider something like anavar 30 mg ED and test 250 mg/week ?
 
My Advice....

Sorry it took so long to respond. You will make terrific gains with 500mgs/week and less. If you don't it simply means something is wrong in your training or dieting routine!!! If you wanna bulk up and its your first time i would recommend a single ester TEST such as Enanthate to keep the blood levels more stable. Also you can add some d-bol but why would u want to for a first cycle. Wouldn't it be more logical to see how your body reacts to test??? Here's an example of what i would do:

Weeks 1-10 250-500mgs (test)/week

Depending on what A.S. will let you know when to begin Clomid post cycle!

If you want to keep any possible bloat off check into Arimidex or L-dex

Nolva. on hand in case you are pron to gyno

With this being said check into some supps. such as Tyler's liver detox and milk thistle to keep ya liver clean as a whistle and maybe some cranberry extract for the kidneys and a good multivitamin!!! May wanna add some others as well. Hope this helps and good luck bro.... ~JT~
 
TECH ONE said:
I would run your first cycle like this:

Week 1-10 Test @ 500mg/week
Week 1-10 Eq @ 400mg/week

You will be fine with such low doses!! Good luck with your cycle bro!
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Only on elitefitness.com would nearly 1g/wk be a "low dose" first cycle...
 
Manny, if I could afford the anavar I definitely would run it. From what I have read about anavar it would be great choice for me considering my goals. I realize steroids aren't something you should cheap out on, but I don't think I can pull it off right now. Maybe for my college graduation (next month :supercool) I will get some serious bank. I can always hope.
 
AlbinoAssassin said:
I am willing to sacrifice larger gains for slower more quality gains. I would like to put on 10-15 keepable pounds after all is said and done.
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Then you don't need that much. You could probably get that from 40mg/day of oxandralone or maybe even 300mg-400mg/wk of Deca or Eq.


[/QUOTE] I am also a little acne prone, I am on tetracycline right now. [/QUOTE]

Then you'll want to stay away from the more androgenic stuff like test. (Unless you don't mind the increased acne.)
 
Yeah Dtox, like I said earlier test puts the fear in my heart. I am on tetracycline, but I am thinking about asking my Dr. for accutane. I am not broke out right now, but I am afraid test will kick my ass in that regard. I am 22 and my dermatologist said it would probably totally go away when I was about 26-27. I definitely don't want to exacerbate the condition. I realize if I get on accutane it can have some pretty serious sides, but damn I'm tired of being broken out.:mad:
 
AlbinoAssassin said:
Yeah Dtox, like I said earlier test puts the fear in my heart. I am on tetracycline, but I am thinking about asking my Dr. for accutane. I am not broke out right now, but I am afraid test will kick my ass in that regard. I am 22 and my dermatologist said it would probably totally go away when I was about 26-27. I definitely don't want to exacerbate the condition. I realize if I get on accutane it can have some pretty serious sides, but damn I'm tired of being broken out.:mad:
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Al, if you're not tannin' already---start. It does wonders. Also wash your face 3-4 times/day which will also help w/the acne. U might wanna try that proactive face shit too.

Be careful w/that accutain, it's a killer!

Good luck!
 
AA, run Test Enanthate/Cypionate@500mgs for 10 weeks. You could elect to use Arimidex/[email protected] EOD throughout to keep the water down and might even lean you up a bit. Do a search under the name BigAragorn. He gained 27lbs using Test@400mgs a week!!!
 
Maxx Out, I have tried the Proactiv stuff already, it didn't work too bad. I am aware that accutane is some harsh shit, not to be taken lightly. I have already done quite a bit of research on accutane because I am acne prone. Thx for the advice.

Tex Ranger, I will do the search you suggested for BigAragorn. Those are some pretty solid gains he got. I think I am a fairly easy gainer. I train very intensely and my diet is clean with plenty of calories. I don't get as much rest as I need, but I think would grow well on that.
 
I am definitely gonna try to get the accutane, hopefully my dermatologist will hook me up. I don't know if I should tell him I am doing a cycle and want it as a precaution. I know it's getting more difficult to get accutane. The worst thing he can do is say no I guess, hopefully he is fairly progressive and not too old school.
 
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