First Cycle of Test Eth...

[meshmachine]

Hey, im new to this forum but i have been doing alot of [URL="http://www.ag-guys.com/"]research[/URL] on cycles.

my initial thought was to do deca and test for 8 weeks but ive read alot thats a bit much for first cycle and just sticking to test is a better idea yes? or can i run deca with it

I dont no exactly what brand or type of test im getting yet but i will soon find out. but he said they come in 20ml vials.

i just have a few questions i was hoping you can assist me with

1. Is running Test alone going to give me good results (obviously with good nutrition and work out structure)
2. will i need PCT for this if i run it for 8 weeks? on the lowest but most effiecient dosage (in ml)
3. can you list whats safe to dangerous (in ml) in terms of dosage
4. does taking test have much effect on fertility (also keeping in mind of my doseage level)
5. everyone talks in mg for eg . 'take 250 mg a week' how do u convert ml to mg i looked online but it says it varies from substance to substance.

it would be greatly appreciated for the help.
and im 18 years of age if that has any effect on anything at 132 pounds, very lean been training for 3 years , i have a good diet and tried out many work outs to find what best effects me. i have platued at this weight for the last year. nd i ahve been eating big training hard switiching around work outs resting well noting seems to work, my genetics arnt that great either. as you can tell ima ecto =.= that was just a little personal information

 

[brandonp005]

In my personal opinion bro, you are way too young for the juice. You need more food bro, especially weighing 132 lbs. I understand some people are hard gainers, but at the age of 18 and only 132 lbs, you have a lot of growing left. You've came to the right place though. You can learn a lot here. We are always willing to help.

Post up your diet (what you ate, what time). Go to FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal and input your diet. Dont worry, its free. It will calculate everything for ya, then post the food and its stats on here.

Also, post up your training routine bro and we'll get you on the right track.

 

[meshmachine]

ey thanks for the advice i forgot to mention im just barely 5'7 so im not very tall ive got a good build on me for my height so people say. and i lack alot of weight in my legs i do train them but the lag... and are quite scrony... but anyway heres work out plan

MONDAY
(chest)
Incline barbell press 1x12,1x10,1x8
Incline dumbbell press 1x12,1x10,1x8
Flat barbell press 1x12,1x10,1x8
Incline fly’s 3x10
Cable cross over’s 3x10
Flat fly’s 3x10
TUESDAY
(back&triceps)
Chin ups wide 3x10
Chin ups close 3x10
Chin ups wide front face 3x10
Bent barbell rows 3x10
Deadlift 1x10,1x8,1x4
Seated rows 3x10
Overhead tricep extensions (dumbell) 3x10
Closegrip barbell press 3x10
Rope extensions 3x10,1xMAX
Triaqete pull downs 3x10,1xMAX
Dips 3xFAILURE
WEDNESDAY
(legs&biceps)
Squats 1x12,1x10,1x4
Leg press 3x10
Dumbell one leg lunges 3x12
Leg extensions 3x10
Hamstring extensions 3x10
Calf raises 3x10
Standing barbell curl close grip 3x10
Standing barbell curl wide grip 3x10
Dumbell preacher curls 3x10
Hammer curls 3x10 HEAVY
Concentration curls 3x10
THURSDAY
(shoulders)
Dumbell shoulder press 3x8
Barbell seated military press 3x8
Behind head seated military press 3x8
Superset Shoulder Exercise 3x10
FRIDAY
(chest)
Flat Close grip Barbell press 5x5
Incline close grip barbell press 5x5
Peck Deck close rage movement 3x10
Incline fly’s 3x10
Cable cross over’s 3x10
Flat fly’s 3x10
SATURDAY
(triceps&biceps)
Overhead tricep extensions (dumbell) 3x10
Closegrip barbell press 3x10
Rope extensions 3x10,1xMAX
Triaqete pull downs 3x10,1xMAX
Dips 3xFAILURE
Standing barbell curl close grip 3x10
Standing barbell curl wide grip 3x10
Dumbell preacher curls 3x10
Hammer curls 3x10 HEAVY
Concentration curls 3x10

 

[brandonp005]

I hear ya on the height, I'm 5'6" @ 181 lbs. I was 172 before I started using any juice bro.

Check out this workout, it will really help put the size on ya bro.

Bill Starr 5x5 - Madcow Intermediate or Linear Version

5x5 Calculator


***Also, make sure you post up your diet bro. I don't think your getting no where near enough food. Calories must go up bro. Also, remember for maximum growth, you need to take in 1.5- 2 grams of protein per body pound. At your weight, I would assume that 3000 cals per day should put the weight on ya bro. Make sure you get details from FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal so we can really tweak it. Also bro, make sure you completely honest with what you say you eat, if not, we can't help ya.

 

[brandonp005]

Also bro, give my log a look. Its very detailed and shows my workouts. At first I did a workout designed by Needto, which consisted of reps of 8. After several weeks we then switched over to the 5x5 workout.

It also shows some of my diets, which could give you some ideas for yours. Its a long log but well worth the read. There are also progress pics posted.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/m...dybuilding-journal/test-eth-cycle-633158.html

 

[meshmachine]

ey thanks for the work out plan
ive seen it before and i have tried the 5x5 on chest routine didnt give me much mass but gave me strength
but im willing to try it thankyou
Also i read ages ago about the 1.5 -2 grams of protien per body pound i have been eating around 300 grams of protien a day (including the shakes)
on the shake topic is weight gainers a load of bullshit (dymatize super mega gainer in particular)
im doing the food log atm thanks for that link btw pretty sweet bro

 

[meshmachine]

This is a ruff food plan that im doing atm whilst i do the fit day calorie counter (takes a while lol

Breakfast 7:30-a.m.
7 eggs only 3 yolks scrambled
1/4 cup grated cheese
16 oz. milk

Pro: 71 carbs:42 fat:28 cals: 750

Snack 10:30
Protien shake
2 scoops whey
1/2 cup oats
banana
2 cups 1% milk

Pro:63 carbs:94 fat:10 cals:750

Lunch 12:30
8-10 oz. Beef, Chicken, Fish
1/2 sweet potato
1 cup fresh veggies

Pro:50 carbs:49 fat:10 cals: 500

Meal 4 6p.m.
Same as Lunch

Dinner 9:00p.m.
10oz. Beef steak
Potatoe
1 cup fresh veggies

Pro:66 carbs:68 fat:16 cals:610

Totals:
pro:363 carbs:308 fat:84 cals:4,085


Personally im not to found of working out monday wed and friday im more of a mon through to sat person

 

[brandonp005]

^^^ And your not putting on weight? I would love to have the time to have that diet, if I did I would be pushing 190 easy. I got up to 187 by eating around 3400 cals.


***Most weight gainer shakes are loaded with sugars and not too healthy. For some added cals you should order some Better Protein Bars at Needtobuildmuscle.com: Supplements, articles, ..... They taste great and really help put on the size.

I'll PM Needto and send him a link to this log.

 

[meshmachine]

I am able to do this because i still atend school so my life is pretty orgonised into time slots (some times espeicaly weekends i dont follow this eating plan coz i get lazy but still shouldnt make a bigg diff 2 days)
i have no idea why i gain no weight

my max weight was 65kg on the holidays was eating damn well and training superb, school does drain me (final year) and i do get lazy with the eating but breakfast through to lucnh always 100% meal 4 is usual skipped

but dinner is always biggest meal

***** still doing fit day thing

 

[brandonp005]

What time do you work out? Immediately following workout you should have a whey protein shake and simple sugar/carb. I like a tablespoon of honey.

 

[meshmachine]

What time do you work out? Immediately following workout you should have a whey protein shake and simple sugar/carb. I like a tablespoon of honey.

i train at 4pm through to 5 - 5:30
still think gear is a bad idea??

 

[brandonp005]

i personally wouldn't take gear at 18. i sent Neeto a pm with a link, he will chime in when he gets a chance.

 

[meshmachine]

i personally wouldn't take gear at 18. i sent Neeto a pm with a link, he will chime in when he gets a chance.

i see where ur comming from
i know its asking for alot but can u convince me why, coz i still want to take but ive come here for some guidance

summ addtional information

pbs
squat -120x3
bench - 95 x 1
deadlift 160 x 1
all in KG

i may not be the strongest but im not a bitch either lol

 

[brandonp005]

sorry bro, i just can't give anabolic steroid guidance to an 18 yr old. i would love to help ya on that one but i just can't...if your going to cycle anyhow, please read up a little more first...there are several beginner cycle threads on here and you'll find what your looking for....single compound to start

also, PCT is a much for all cycles bro. there is a good thread called Official PCT of 2009. I suggest you read up on it as well.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/official-pct-2009-a-642825.html

 

[meshmachine]

sorry bro, i just can't give anabolic steroid guidance to an 18 yr old. i would love to help ya on that one but i just can't...if your going to cycle anyhow, please read up a little more first...there are several beginner cycle threads on here and you'll find what your looking for....single compound to start

also, PCT is a much for all cycles bro. there is a good thread called Official PCT of 2009. I suggest you read up on it as well.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/official-pct-2009-a-642825.html

thanks man i respect ur choice
thanks for the help
hopeully ill get more feed back

 

[needtogetaas]

You are a hard gainer and need to eat even more then most people. At your age its fine to eat 5-6k cals a day too. Talk with joe-d he knows all about how to eat that much food lol..

Yes I would get some needto better bars to. good clean cals. I also spoke to you in a pm I remember.

 

[rllesueur]

5'7" 18yo, 132 lbs, benching 95 pounds? I have only done one cycle but I've done a ton of reading and you have no business doing AAS yet. I don't mean to sound like a dick but it's true. I am only 5'8" but I waited until I was 34 years old to jump in. I did a very low 250mg test 9 week cycle and went from 193 to 216. I am on the last week of PCT and am holding at about 208. From what I have read AAS is great to help you bust through a plateau, but you're not even close to that yet. I would say just keep eating and lifting for at least another couple years. Also, you're workout schedule looks a little too much to me, you're only day off is Sunday. Your body needs to rest and repair. Good luck

 

[meshmachine]

5'7" 18yo, 132 lbs, benching 95 pounds? I have only done one cycle but I've done a ton of reading and you have no business doing AAS yet. I don't mean to sound like a dick but it's true. I am only 5'8" but I waited until I was 34 years old to jump in. I did a very low 250mg test 9 week cycle and went from 193 to 216. I am on the last week of PCT and am holding at about 208. From what I have read AAS is great to help you bust through a plateau, but you're not even close to that yet. I would say just keep eating and lifting for at least another couple years. Also, you're workout schedule looks a little too much to me, you're only day off is Sunday. Your body needs to rest and repair. Good luck

95 kilograms x 4
and im 66kg now
Im from australia use metric system
and yeh thanks for ur say appreciated

 

[SouthernLord]

i see where ur comming from
i know its asking for alot but can u convince me why, coz i still want to take but ive come here for some guidance

summ addtional information

pbs
squat -120x3
bench - 95 x 1
deadlift 160 x 1
all in KG

i may not be the strongest but im not a bitch either lol

You shouldn't use AAS because you're still developing.

 

[meshmachine]

You shouldn't use AAS because you're still developing.

How does this affect my development can u please explain?

 

[SouthernLord]

I seriously doubt you are eating this much and being consistent with it. If you are eating like this and still not gaining weight it's likely because your workout routine sucks. You are using way too much volume and you are likely overtraining imo.

This is a ruff food plan that im doing atm whilst i do the fit day calorie counter (takes a while lol

Breakfast 7:30-a.m.
7 eggs only 3 yolks scrambled
1/4 cup grated cheese
16 oz. milk

Pro: 71 carbs:42 fat:28 cals: 750

Snack 10:30
Protien shake
2 scoops whey
1/2 cup oats
banana
2 cups 1% milk

Pro:63 carbs:94 fat:10 cals:750

Lunch 12:30
8-10 oz. Beef, Chicken, Fish
1/2 sweet potato
1 cup fresh veggies

Pro:50 carbs:49 fat:10 cals: 500

Meal 4 6p.m.
Same as Lunch

Dinner 9:00p.m.
10oz. Beef steak
Potatoe
1 cup fresh veggies

Pro:66 carbs:68 fat:16 cals:610

Totals:
pro:363 carbs:308 fat:84 cals:4,085


Personally im not to found of working out monday wed and friday im more of a mon through to sat person

 

[meshmachine]

I seriously doubt you are eating this much and being consistent with it. If you are eating like this and still not gaining weight it's likely because your workout routine sucks. You are using way too much volume and you are likely overtraining imo.

ive already noted im not consistant but im def getting more than 3000 cals a DAY no worries

 

[SouthernLord]

ive already noted im not consistant but im def getting more than 3000 cals a DAY no worries

Well are you going to be consistent with your injections? What about your sterillity practices?

Are you guessing portion sizes or are you weighing out your food? Something isn't adding up here. I think you're over estimating your food consumption.

 

[meshmachine]

Well are you going to be consistent with your injections? What about your sterillity practices?

Are you guessing portion sizes or are you weighing out your food? Something isn't adding up here. I think you're over estimating your food consumption.

Why wouldnt i bee consistant with injections... im going to pay for it. yeh ive been reading on spot injections and needto's threads on 101 to steroids and what not im quite prepared on a sterile basis, please done understimate me becuase im 18 years old im currently undergoing my physical science/bio med degree. aint some kid whos trying to do this to look like a hero. i love bodybuilding. i feel i can hit the next step.

yeh ive weighed out my food
todays weigh in was 67kilograms. at 5'7. so not too badd

 

[SouthernLord]

When you have ED and your HPTA is permanently fucked from messing with your endocrine system while you're still developing remember this......I TOLD YOU SO

Good luck

 

[meshmachine]

When you have ED and your HPTA is permanently fucked from messing with your endocrine system while you're still developing remember this......I TOLD YOU SO

Good luck

DId some research about what you said at uni asked a few doctors and what usay at low dose is incorrect, will not be permanent or long term if anythng short term not trying to pick a fight but im just giving u my reply im not saying ur wrong either but this is wha found out