First Cycle Jitters; need expert advice.

[Dante666]

I've studied a ton on everything I want to do. I've got a source and I'm still designing a cycle which I will post when it's finished. Suggestions on the cycle is nice, but I only have limited access.
I'm shitting a brick because I still find my head spinning. I don't want to kill myself, or damage my physique. Please give me advice and resources that will teach me in a dumb headed way. i know a shit load about training and nutrition, but since this is my cycle I don't know a lot. I don't know slang, I just want to get gear, use it properly and obtain some nice gains.
I'm 5'9" 205 lbs, 12-14% bf, 5 years experience, looking to gain and hold onto at least 15 lbs of muscle while cutting up a bit. I'm I crazy to be freaking out about injecting? At least give me some moral encouragement as well as the facts on what to expect.

 

[Delinquent]

Everybody is nervous their first time around. You seem to be holding on to the image the media has portrayed concerning steroid use. As long as you do your reSEARCH, you'll see that steroids are merely another tool in your arsenal. I'm not saying they're not dangerous at all though. Without proper reSEARCH. a lot of things can be dangerous. What to expect is gonna depend on what compounds you use. A good first cycle would be test enth or test cyp at 250mg for 8 weeks. Or you could add some dbol with it but you might as well stay with a single compound to see how you react. If you have the funds, try to get Euro gear such as Testoviron Depot or Testex test cyp. Most mexi-test is painful and being the little bitch I am about pain, I go for the least painful route. Even though 250mg/week is a pretty low amount, I would still order nolvadex to have on hand just in case you are gyno prone. Water retention shouldn't be bad on that littel amount either. Finish it off with clomid 3 weeks after last injection. 300mg the first day then 100mg/ed for the next 2 weeks, followed up by 50mg/ed for a week. With proper diet and decent genetics, a gain of 10-15 seems reasonable. Good luck.

 

[40butpumpin]

First off I wish people would give their age when describing themselves.

Injecting for the first time is stressful for everyone. I actually had a nurse do it for me the first few times and I just watched exactly what she did. It helps to just go through the whole thing a few times, sort of rehearsing (sp?), and know the correct spots and how to aspirate. Keep things sterile too.

But based on what you're telling me if I were you I'd stick with something simple, like test enanthate only. That's one inject ew so it will be a nice way to gain experience injecting and you'll still make decent gains. But that's assuming that you do indeed have your training and diet down.

 

[BlocRoc]

make your first cycle count

I am of the opinion that you should make the first cycle count, as you will never see gains as amazing as on your first cycle.

If you're relatively lean (like you said 12-14% BF) and in good shape.

try:

Dbol 8 weeks
Deca 12 weeks
Sust (or a test) 12 weeks
liquidex ED
clomid on hand

A bit much but no where close to overkill. But a good stack nonetheless if you as me!

L8

 

[Zoomster]

Injecting for the first time is a trip. I was shaking like a damn leaf
doing my first..it was stupid, afterwards I laughed my ass off.

 

[DaddyX]

i do have to say BLOCROC your reply was horrible advice - i just hope u were not serious. anyways i wouldn't be nervous,i was and it's really nothing to be worried about. And what to use i would go with something simple like dbol 25 mgs for the first for weeks and test @ 4-500 mgs for 10 wks, that will give u nice gains for sure if u train and eat,sleep right. study more to understand clomid therapy,anti-e's and shit like that. well goodluck.........I AGREE WITH DIAL-TONE,you make just as good gains if not better on your fifth than your first, depends on alot of things

 

[HULKSTER]

Just stick the needle in your ass and pop your cherry already.

 

[phatty123]

DaddyX:

i do have to say BLOCROC your reply was horrible advice - i just hope u were not serious.

Why? more detail please. Thats basically what I am going to do for my first except thats way too much dbol i would do 4 weeks.

 

[DaddyX]

too much gear for a first cycle. just stay basic and gains will be very good off just a simple test/dbol cycle. and part of what i said was aimed towards the 8 weeks of dbol. i believe dbol can be taken for a 8 weeks at a semi low does but for a rookie its not needed,neither is the deca. actually deca can be substituted for the test. either or test/dbol ; deca/dbol good beginner cycles................pimp DaddyX

 

[Dante666]

Daddy X:

And what to use i would go with something simple like dbol 25 mgs for the first for weeks and test @ 4-500 mgs for 10 wks,

I totally agree with you. There isn't anyway I'm going to take huge doses and risk my physique. Question on the anti-e's, I was planning on taking Nolvadex, but someone said that there is an anti-e called proviron that will make me harder. Is this true? If so are there any side effects that could be associated with it?

 

[Dante666]

40butpumpin:

First off I wish people would give their age when describing themselves.

Sorry about that, I'm 21, and will probably be turning 22 towards the end of the cycle.

I also want to stress that I work a graveyard shift that allows me to go to the gym at least once a day for one to two hours. I often will go twice a day just as long as I am not overtraining. I train six days a week and rest on Sundays. I also eat every two hours, if all else fails I slam a protein shake for a meal. I sleep anywhere from 7-9 hours a night. Is there any advice about lifestyle? Food ideas are great since I eat the same boring shit everyday.

Should I do a Deca cycle or Test Enanthate? I heard that Test has more water retention and is easier to aromatize. Which is better at retaining gains. If I add d-bol at low doses (20-25 mg a day) should I take live detox?

 

[DaddyX]

i would go with liquidex when stacking dbol and test together as they both can cause gyno,dbol more so.............i am not familiar with proviron although i have heard the same thing that it is sometimes used in conjuction with others as a hardening agent,hope this helps. goodluck

 

[Tigrones]

Read this post and the article in question, it will put your mind at ease...

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213954

Good luck!

 

[Dante666]

Tigrones--
That article was the shit.

 

[40butpumpin]

15 lbs of LBM can only be achieved with the addition of excellent training and diet habits.

I'd go with test because it will be easier for you to recover from, forget about deca. I'd also go with 500mg enanthate ew, LOTS of good food from all 3 macronutrients, train hard with multi-joint and full body exercises such as deads, squats, push presses and bench (I also like step-ups and lunges) and proper rest. When your cycle is over, adjust your diet to minimize carbs and increase protein (to compensate for carb reduction) to avoid catabolism and begin to lean up.

That's my opinion.

 

[Dante666]

How much liquidex should I use so avoid gyno if I were stacking 500 mg test with 25 mg d-bol (first four weeks.) How bad is water retention going to be? Should I get a something to protect the liver? Should I inject 250 twice a week? Etc.

 

[jubei]

I think sustanon would be a good cycle. 250mg (1ml) every 5 or 4 days would give you some impressive gains if everything else is just right. A low dosage of d-bol 15-20mg wouldn't hurt for the first 3-4 weeks either. You probably shouldn't do too much more than that. Have some nolvadex on hand because test and dbol aromatize at a high rate, especially togeter. Use hcg and clomid for test recovery and to keep your gains.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

If your worried about sides..and gyno effects..why dont you try Primobolan or Primotest. Primobolan is human grade. Most ppl do not have any sides at all..Only ones who do are pple that are very sensitive. It does not convert to Estrogen.

Take d-bol 30mg wk 1-4or(6)
Test enanthate 400-500 wk 1-10 or Primo same dose
arimidex .25-.5mg wk 1-10

You can use liquidex it is the liquid form of arimidex..but you have to measure it out by counting drops out of a pin. its a pain on yoru first cycle..so get arimidex just cut the pill in half or quarters.

Good luck
PwrHouse

 

[Tigrones]

Tigrones--
That article was the shit.

And why do you say that? What is your conclusion?

 

[40butpumpin]

How much liquidex should I use so avoid gyno if I were stacking 500 mg test with 25 mg d-bol (first four weeks.) How bad is water retention going to be? Should I get a something to protect the liver? Should I inject 250 twice a week? Etc.

By taking test you will maintain the proper ratio of test to estrogen and avoid estrogen dominance and gyno. If you stop the test abruptly without the use of HCG you can leave yourself without any test production and suffer from estrogen dominace.

For that reason I highly suggest you use HCG at 500iu 2x per week spaced evenly during every week of your test cycle and then for 2 solid weeks at 500iu ed right when you stop the test. This will prevent testicular shrinkage, and avoid zero testosterone availability (either endogenous or exogenous) and, thereby, avoid estrogen dominance. At the completion of the 2-week post-cycle use of HCG you may want to consider the use of Clomid. I urge you to do a search on Clomid for that.

As far as ldex, I wouldn't use it until/unless you see excessive, blatant water bloat.

One inject per week of enanthate should be fine and yes, it would be prudent to use something for your liver.

But this is just my opinion, I'm sure there are others.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Amidex/Liquidex .25-.50mg per day

For the liver 1000mg of Milk Thistle or Tyler Liver Detox(either is fine) and 1000-1500mg of Cranberry Extract per day

Clomid at the end of the cycle. (This will bring your natural levels back to norm, You will keep more gains, and wont crash after the cycle)
day 1 300mg
2-10 100mg
11-20 50mg

 

[T2O]

LOL my first inject I was really nervous and then just said fuq it! You will be ok.............it's well worth the extremely slight discomfort. Just do it damnit do it!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zoomster]

If your worried about sides..and gyno effects..why dont you try Primobolan or Primotest. Primobolan is human grade. Most ppl do not have any sides at all..Only ones who do are pple that are very sensitive. It does not convert to Estrogen.

Take d-bol 30mg wk 1-4or(6)
Test enanthate 400-500 wk 1-10 or Primo same dose
arimidex .25-.5mg wk 1-10

PwrHouse

Where does one find real Primo? I can't find it, I ordered some, my source swears that it was real, I checked it out, it was a really well done fake. MY source was even scammed that time.

Don't mean to get off the subject..just a comment, I agree with Primo..that is the best AS out there, Anavar comes in at a close second..followed by test enthanate. I am just very wary of Primo after I got scammed.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Yea I know. There are a ton of fakes out there. I am not shure where to get it..Well..i know where..but i dont know who my source gets it from.

I got mine!!!!

 

[blastingthru]

Bro,

Stick to two compunds; probably dbol and something else. If you say you have done your research then you should already have some pretty good ideas of a few small cycles. I am a newbie to this game as well so I cannot elaborate and will not try to give you specific advise on different gear. I am currently in my 7th week of my deca/dbol cycle and I am very pleased with the gains I have made. As for your first injection, you are going to be nervous; we all were. It gets easier, and to be honest, I actually enjoy shooting up. Using gear is a very personal decision and if you are not completely ready or you are not going to go at it whole heartedly, then don't bother.
Continue researching and e-mailing some vets and mods; it took me almost a year to decide on a cycle and get everything I needed. Just be patient and good things will happen

 

[Dante666]

blastingthru:

I am currently in my 7th week of my deca/dbol cycle and I am very pleased with the gains I have made.

Right now I've decided on a similar cycle. Tell me how yours is going: muscle gains, stats so forth. What all are you taking? My cycle isn't really what I'm worried about, it is the anti-e's and what to take with it.

 

[Dante666]

I've done what you've said dial-tone, I know the side effects, the results the dosage, so forth. Right now I think I'm going to avoid the Test. enth, because it is more likely to raise DHT and cause baldness (from what I read). I'm not balding but for some reason this is something I'm going to be prone to. I've decided on Deca @ 400 a week, D-bol at 25 mg ed week 1-4. I just want to avoid shrinkage of the testicles and "Deca Dick." From what I've read Deca @400 a week is not a big risk for aromatizing at that dosage but should give some pretty good gains. The only other thing I'm worried about is liver toxicity, but I figure the Milk Thistle and Cranberry Extract should more than be adequate with the lower doses of d-bol. Ideally I was looking at Nolvadex because it is less expensive than arimidex, will be helpful with any water retention, and I'm not too worried about some reports that it lessens IGF-1 production. Like I said my main concern is testicular shrinking and Deca Dick. What are the suggestions? I've heard HCG but I know others who take this same cycle who haven't taken HCG. I'm not worried about no sex drive because I'm not dating, I just don't want to kill my little guys in case I decide to have kids in the future.

 

[blastingthru]

Bro,

I ran dbol at 20 mg a day for weeks 1-4 and I am running the deca at 300mg per week for weeks 1-8. I use a half a tab of Armidex a day to reduce bloat and I have Nolva on hand and clomid as well.
My strength gains came in the first 5 weeks or so and this was mostly due to the dbol I am sure, but with the deca I am able to increase reps and still increase resistance a little. I have put on roughly 20 pounds and hopefully I will keep a good percentage of it. I will say that lately my weight gain has plateaued, which is fine because I was trying to limit water retention anyway. I have not experienced any sexual side effects either. (believe me, my girlfriend would notice).

Stats: 5'9" started 182 lbs, now 202 lbs
bodyfat: somewhere in the mid teens as I am not really concerned with it right now as I am trying to bulk; cutting is later
Strength went throught the roof; it is pretty cool in week 5 to have people come up to you who you have never noticed and ask "what the hell you are on?"... "Protien and some creatine"

Like I say, I don't know enough to tell you what to do; I just looked to this board for guidance and this is what worked well for me.

Good Luck bro, and if you do everything right, I think that you will be happy with what you accomplish!