First Cycle Jitters; need expert advice.

[Dante666]

40butpumpin:

First off I wish people would give their age when describing themselves.

Sorry about that, I'm 21, and will probably be turning 22 towards the end of the cycle.

I also want to stress that I work a graveyard shift that allows me to go to the gym at least once a day for one to two hours. I often will go twice a day just as long as I am not overtraining. I train six days a week and rest on Sundays. I also eat every two hours, if all else fails I slam a protein shake for a meal. I sleep anywhere from 7-9 hours a night. Is there any advice about lifestyle? Food ideas are great since I eat the same boring shit everyday.

Should I do a Deca cycle or Test Enanthate? I heard that Test has more water retention and is easier to aromatize. Which is better at retaining gains. If I add d-bol at low doses (20-25 mg a day) should I take live detox?

 

[DaddyX]

i would go with liquidex when stacking dbol and test together as they both can cause gyno,dbol more so.............i am not familiar with proviron although i have heard the same thing that it is sometimes used in conjuction with others as a hardening agent,hope this helps. goodluck

 

[Tigrones]

Read this post and the article in question, it will put your mind at ease...

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213954

Good luck!

 

[Dante666]

Tigrones--
That article was the shit.

 

[40butpumpin]

15 lbs of LBM can only be achieved with the addition of excellent training and diet habits.

I'd go with test because it will be easier for you to recover from, forget about deca. I'd also go with 500mg enanthate ew, LOTS of good food from all 3 macronutrients, train hard with multi-joint and full body exercises such as deads, squats, push presses and bench (I also like step-ups and lunges) and proper rest. When your cycle is over, adjust your diet to minimize carbs and increase protein (to compensate for carb reduction) to avoid catabolism and begin to lean up.

That's my opinion.

 

[Dante666]

How much liquidex should I use so avoid gyno if I were stacking 500 mg test with 25 mg d-bol (first four weeks.) How bad is water retention going to be? Should I get a something to protect the liver? Should I inject 250 twice a week? Etc.

 

[jubei]

I think sustanon would be a good cycle. 250mg (1ml) every 5 or 4 days would give you some impressive gains if everything else is just right. A low dosage of d-bol 15-20mg wouldn't hurt for the first 3-4 weeks either. You probably shouldn't do too much more than that. Have some nolvadex on hand because test and dbol aromatize at a high rate, especially togeter. Use hcg and clomid for test recovery and to keep your gains.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

If your worried about sides..and gyno effects..why dont you try Primobolan or Primotest. Primobolan is human grade. Most ppl do not have any sides at all..Only ones who do are pple that are very sensitive. It does not convert to Estrogen.

Take d-bol 30mg wk 1-4or(6)
Test enanthate 400-500 wk 1-10 or Primo same dose
arimidex .25-.5mg wk 1-10

You can use liquidex it is the liquid form of arimidex..but you have to measure it out by counting drops out of a pin. its a pain on yoru first cycle..so get arimidex just cut the pill in half or quarters.

Good luck
PwrHouse

 

[Tigrones]

Tigrones--
That article was the shit.

And why do you say that? What is your conclusion?

 

[40butpumpin]

How much liquidex should I use so avoid gyno if I were stacking 500 mg test with 25 mg d-bol (first four weeks.) How bad is water retention going to be? Should I get a something to protect the liver? Should I inject 250 twice a week? Etc.

By taking test you will maintain the proper ratio of test to estrogen and avoid estrogen dominance and gyno. If you stop the test abruptly without the use of HCG you can leave yourself without any test production and suffer from estrogen dominace.

For that reason I highly suggest you use HCG at 500iu 2x per week spaced evenly during every week of your test cycle and then for 2 solid weeks at 500iu ed right when you stop the test. This will prevent testicular shrinkage, and avoid zero testosterone availability (either endogenous or exogenous) and, thereby, avoid estrogen dominance. At the completion of the 2-week post-cycle use of HCG you may want to consider the use of Clomid. I urge you to do a search on Clomid for that.

As far as ldex, I wouldn't use it until/unless you see excessive, blatant water bloat.

One inject per week of enanthate should be fine and yes, it would be prudent to use something for your liver.

But this is just my opinion, I'm sure there are others.