first cycle help please

[jfish2134]

wk 1-10 sustanon 250
wk 11-14 test recovery stack from primordial

24 yrs old 6'0" 180lbs. been lifting for 8yrs. looking to get to a solid 190-195 with some solid strength gains. Any suggestions or opinions for this cycle? Please help. Thank You

 

[hooverdeuce]

I'd run a longer ester test like e or c instead of the sustanon for your first cycle, much less pinning and less pain. Also you need to get hcg and some aromasin, the trs is not enough for pct. You could probably just work on your diet and get up to 195 though.

 

[jfish2134]

Thanks for the reply. I've been working hard on my diet for quite some time. I've hit a plateau around 180 though. I wanted to run test e and dbol but all i can get my hands on is the sustanon. I've been looking for awhile and actually got ripped off before ordering online. I was thinking of maybe injecting every monday and thursday and doing 500 a wk of the sustanon. When and how often should i use the hcg and the aromasin along with the trs?

 

[wolfman87]

sustanon is fine. start your pct 10-14 days after your last shot. you do need your ancillaries before you start though. i prefer aromasin for estrogen control, but there are a few options open to you. if you can get your hands on some hcg get that too.

 

[hooverdeuce]

I bet you can pass up that plateau if you start eating 5k cals day. If you're going to cycle anyway atleast have the hcg before you start. It's somewhat complicated to use/store so do some research and learn how to use it on cycle, I personnaly like to take 500 ius every 5 days from the middle to the end of the cycle.

 

[jfish2134]

How about this:

Wk 1-10 Sustanon 250 (500/wk inject Mon. and Thurs.)
Wk 8-11 HCGenerate
Wk 12 TRS

I've been following the Alpha Male Diet its between 3500-5000 calories daily.

 

[hooverdeuce]

You'll lose almost everything you gain with that pct. You need to run actual HCG on cycle and use more than just the TRS for pct. I don't know jack about the alpha male diet but if you eat over 5k a day every day you will gain fast naturally. I was just 181 middle of Jan and am now up to 198 in about 32 days just from bumping my cals up from 3500 day to 5500 day and actually counting everything, this is all naturally also.

 

[joe d]

you will need ai's and a better pct. start pct 2 weaks after the last shot. run hcgenerate throughout the cycle along with a low dose of adex depending on your test dosage. then or pct run 20mg nolva ed along with the trs. so

1-10 sust 250mg 2x per wk
1-12 hcgenerate
1-12 adex .25mg-.5mg eod
13-17 10mg nolva 2x ed
13-17 pp trs

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Agreed ^^^^^


But you got to eat mate your still on the
light side .


Brad.

 

[Jhotsauce7]

PCT like this bro. Toremifine 80/60/60/40/40. Trust me you don't need HCG, and you will feel worlds better than if you used nolvadex and clomid. Plus nolva and clomid are both hepatoxic to the liver. I wish I did all my pct's w/ Torem. You only need the Adex while on if you start to get puffy/itchy tender nips.

 

[jfish2134]

What about this?

1-10 sustanon 250mg 2x per wk
1-12 hcgenerate
1-12 adex .25mg-.5mg eod(is this really important? I don't want to inject anything other than the sustanon unless i have to)
13-17 toremifine
13-17 pp t r s(should i still use this even when using toremifine?)

 

[hesnobradpitt]

What about this?

1-10 sustanon 250mg 2x per wk
1-12 hcgenerate
1-12 adex .25mg-.5mg eod(is this really important? I don't want to inject anything other than the sustanon unless i have to)
13-17 toremifine
13-17 pp t r s(should i still use this even when using toremifine?)

The A-dex is a oral mate no pin needed there .


Brad.

 

[Divinehybridx]

The sust should be injected EOD because of the short esters in it remember to keep blood levels stable and sides down.

 

[jfish2134]

Is adex the same as liqui dex? How do i use it?

 

[hooverdeuce]

No, regular adex will be in pill form and liquidex is simply adex in liquid form that you drink. Aromasin is better though if you can get that.

 

[jfish2134]

1-10 sustanon 250mg 2x per wk
1-12 hcg
1-12 adex .25mg-.5mg eod
13-17 toremifine

I think this is what im going to do. Not sure how to dose hcg though? How much how often???

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

r u sure you want complication your first one. maybe stack one or two compunds and pct. that way you can concentrate on lifting

 

[jfish2134]

Complication? It's my first cycle so It is all a little complicating. That's why I'm here asking questions. I am only using one steroid compound(sustanon 250) the rest is things I've been advised to use so I can keep my gains and not have bad side affects.

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

Complication? It's my first cycle so It is all a little complicating. That's why I'm here asking questions. I am only using one steroid compound(sustanon 250) the rest is things I've been advised to use so I can keep my gains and not have bad side affects.

well, if ur doin sust, then you may want to inject a min of 3 times a week(yippee!) to take advantage of your prop that is in it, for starters.

 

[sweed]

Hcg can be started mid cycle and ran 2 times a week at 250 iu's. Or start it with pct at eod or 3 times a week at 500iu's. Iif u have the hcgenerate, run that during cycle and run the hcg for pct. That's how I'm doin my 2nd cycle