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First cycle ever. woohoo. critique away.

Beachbum1546

Beachbum1546

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19 yrs old.
5'8"
200lbs
12%bf
5years of serious training

12wk cycle

test prop wk 1-5 150mgs/eod

test enanthate wk 1-10 500mgs/wk (250mon/thurs shot)

winny wk 6-12 50mgs/day

clomid starting wk 12: week1 50mg ed
week 2 100mg eod
week 3 50mg ed
clen starting wk 12:
Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA

nolvadex on hand if needed.

critique away. also, what can I do to reduce the pain from a prop injection?
 
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Sweed said:
Try it in about 5 years
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looks like hes been researching and knows what hes doing. i say go for it. i think if your old enough to make an educated decision on doing something like this, and then took the time to reserach it, youll be fine. what ticks me off are the kids (or adults for that matter) who dont reserach or know about pct and are quick to stick the needle in.
 
true, but i still think he can gain some more naturally, before going to gear. but if he has waited long enough and his diet and trainging is superb, than go for it i guess
 
Beachbum1546 said:
also, what can I do to reduce the pain from a prop njection?
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my suggestion: when doing those ass injections, make sure to stab that needle in the o-ring just right. good luck!
 
Little Rage said:
I'm not your parents or one to judge, but i suggest a small change.

winny 7-13
clomid start week 14
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thanks bro for the constructive criticism. so why should i change it to that? trying to learn everything i can. thanks bro.

i feel i should have left my age out. i knew i would get crap. i know what i am doing and i know my body. so leave the age comments out and just help me out with my cycle please.
 
I think 19 is below the recomended age for androgens.. would you risk hGH now? no.. you should just work the eca and ecy stack and eat a lot of meat.

Cut out the clen, gives me bad come downs compared to ec or ecy. just diet with ec for 6 weeks and then make it ecy at the end for two more. Y only works at the end to amp up receptor density. Thats why people say Y doesn't work well - they just use it too soon when it lessens the ec effects.

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if you did do this cycle..
Why are you not controling estrogen?
What is your blood pressure control strategy?
what is your water retention fix if your face bloats up?
If you over do it with the front loading of prop + enanthate you risk a test 'come down' when you stop prop at week 5. just do low dose prop 50mg eod for first week so you can keep bumping up until the end then run prop for the last two weeks with the winny.

good luck, you got some good chemicals there.
 
I am glad you put your age, you will get better feedback, even if you dont like what you hear. Yes, you are young, obviously you have put in some research here. I have two main comments.

1) It is your first cycle. 500mg Test is sufficient for a first cycle. This is what I always recommend to anyone starting out. I can understand wanting to run the prop until the enanthate kicks in, thats fine, but doing this for 2 wks should be fine up front. I would also add it back in at the end and finish up with the prop and winny together.

2) This is the part you dont want to hear. Are you sure that you are done growing at 19 and 5'8"? Do you really want to make sure you dont get any taller? This is really something I would consider prior to hopping on the cycle. A simple trip to the doc could tell you if you growth plates have sealed yet. If not, then yeah, like people are saying, wait.
 
athlete0185 said:


looks like hes been researching and knows what hes doing. i say go for it. i think if your old enough to make an educated decision on doing something like this, and then took the time to reserach it, youll be fine. what ticks me off are the kids (or adults for that matter) who dont reserach or know about pct and are quick to stick the needle in.
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It doesn't matter if he knows what he's doing, he's 19 for god's sake.
 
twistedneck said:
I think 19 is below the recomended age for androgens.. would you risk hGH now? no.. you should just work the eca and ecy stack and eat a lot of meat.

Cut out the clen, gives me bad come downs compared to ec or ecy. just diet with ec for 6 weeks and then make it ecy at the end for two more. Y only works at the end to amp up receptor density. Thats why people say Y doesn't work well - they just use it too soon when it lessens the ec effects.

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if you did do this cycle..
Why are you not controling estrogen?
What is your blood pressure control strategy?
what is your water retention fix if your face bloats up?
If you over do it with the front loading of prop + enanthate you risk a test 'come down' when you stop prop at week 5. just do low dose prop 50mg eod for first week so you can keep bumping up until the end then run prop for the last two weeks with the winny.

good luck, you got some good chemicals there.
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- I am using clen for it's anticatabolic affects. so i lose as little as possible post cycle.
- i didnt feel it was nessesary to use any anti estrogens during my cycle but i will have nolvadex on hand
- i will definatly use 3-5g's of taurine everyday
- i'm not worried about water bloat. if it is excessive i suppose i will use liquidex. but i'm not worried about water retention.
- i dont think i am front loading with prop. i am using it as a jumpstart like many people do with d-bol, anadrol, etc. the test-E wont kick in till about week 5 so i am running the prop as my wk 1-5 aas. when the test-E kicks in I am going to drop the prop.
 
Test enanthate wont kick in until week 5? Since you havent done it before and I have, let me tell you, it kicks in a lot sooner than than, more like the end of week 2.

The way you have this set up, you will be injecting over a gram of test for the first 5 weeks of your first cycle. This is not needed.
 
JuicePimp said:


2) This is the part you dont want to hear. Are you sure that you are done growing at 19 and 5'8"? Do you really want to make sure you dont get any taller? This is really something I would consider prior to hopping on the cycle. A simple trip to the doc could tell you if you growth plates have sealed yet. If not, then yeah, like people are saying, wait.
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well, i have been 5'8" since i was 14. so for the past 5 years i have been the same height. i look about 22+.
 
He is right a gram of test is too much for a first cycle.
Rethink some of the cycle...listen to these guys the know what they are talking about as far as the cycle is concerned.
Ultimately though you will do what you want to do no matter what anybody says, just make sure you know what you are getting into.

GO FOR IT.
 
Taurus50 said:
He is right a gram of test is too much for a first cycle.
Rethink some of the cycle...listen to these guys the know what they are talking about as far as the cycle is concerned.
Ultimately though you will do what you want to do no matter what anybody says, just make sure you know what you are getting into.

GO FOR IT.
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the concensus is that enanthate kicks in around week 5. i have never heard of anyone saying it kicks in week 2. i am interested in reading more on when test-E kicks in. more info if anyone has it plz.

you are exactly right. a gram is too much... at the same time. but i planned it for them not to cross up. how can i change it up without having too much test and not messing up my liver. i need a steroid that acts quickly for week 1-5.
 
The consensus is that enanthate kicks in around week 5? I have never seen that consensus, I just am talking from experience. If you want, run the prop for 3 weeks, but, again, its your first cycle, even if you just ran the the test enth. at 500mg, you would have a good cycle.
 
JuicePimp said:
The consensus is that enanthate kicks in around week 5? I have never seen that consensus, I just am talking from experience. If you want, run the prop for 3 weeks, but, again, its your first cycle, even if you just ran the the test enth. at 500mg, you would have a good cycle.
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cool, thanks bro. 3 weeks it is. what can i do to reduce the pain from injecting the prop? (other than injecting into my o-ring which was very maturly stated to me by matto18)
 
JuicePimp has a good point...you can read everything and have only a small percentage of it apply to you. we all respond differently.

the enth i am on right now is kicking in and i am in wk 3 of my cycle.

Run the prop at a lower dose..i'd say no higher than 100mg/eod maybe even 75mg/eod for the first 3 weeks

What you guys think...is that still too much?
 
well if i run prop eod at 150mgs for 3 weeks that is 1575gs total. which is 525 mgs each week. so that is basically where i want to be with it.
 
Beachbum1546 said:
cool, thanks bro. 3 weeks it is. what can i do to reduce the pain from injecting the prop? (other than injecting into my o-ring which was very maturly stated to me by matto18)
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What do you mean, the o-ring is where you should shoot all of this. :p

In all seriousness, some prop hurts more than others, I rarely run it and not for a while so cant really help much there.. I would mix it in the same syringe as the enanthate on the mon/thursday injection, and for the others you are just going to have to tough it out because you are already pushing the limit on you volume of gear. If you dont mind mixing oil and water, you can cut your injections with some b-12. I know its not kosher to say that but lots of guys have mixed for years and only a few have paid the price of an abcess.
 
reason for my suggestions is so the day afer your last dose of winny you start your pct. There is no worrying about timing it 3 weeks after everything. Did this my last cycle with fina and it worked out great.
 
Re: Re: First cycle ever. woohoo. critique away.

matto18 said:




my suggestion: when doing those ass injections, make sure to stab that needle in the o-ring just right. good luck!
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messin' with the new guys eh? lol
 
i want to make sure everyone knows i am using the clen for it's anticatabolic affects, not to cut up from it.

here is my revised cycle. clen is the same as before.

13wk cycle

test prop wk 1-3 150mgs/eod

test enanthate wk 1-10 500mgs/wk (250mon/thurs shot)

winny wk 7-13 50mgs/day

clomid wk 13
300mg day 1
100mg/day next 10 days
50mg/day last 10 days

i am thinking about getting some HCG. how should i run it? at what point in the cycle, how long, and dosages?
 
In my opinion, I'd drop the test prop and go just with the enanthate and winny. That would be enough for a first cycle. Also I'm pretty sure it would be better if you do it at 24-25 years old. But if you are motivated and decided to do it, go for it; cause nobody will change your mind. You sound very well informed so the only good advice is listen to your body. Keep monitoring your vital signs, your urine, your sleep, everything.

Good luck.
 
i would not start the cycle yet but thats just me im short because i started smoking at a young age and i regret it.. very very much...

gaining a few xtra lbs in the next 2 months is probably not worth sacrificing growth and your health at a young age.

ok all that aside if you are going to run a cycle i would switch it up a bit.

wk 1 test e 1gram split into 2 500mg shots
wk 9-10 test e 500 mg split into 2 250mg shots

see how you react many of the vets still only run between 500-750 mg of test and make gains so for your FIRST cycle you should try low dosages and see how it goes

if you want more then run the winny 7-12 and the test prot 10-12 and then you can start your nolva

you should really think about this or at least switch up your routine and diet for a month and see what type of gains you make and reevaluate.. you probably just reached a sticking point that can easily be over come..

either way you go ....

GOOD LUCK
 
actually i am going like a weed. but what the hell am i going to do when i'm like 240? i dont want to be any bigger than 220 at 8%bf. that is about 30lbs of lean mass away. if i can get 20lbs on this cycle i am about set.

i havent even decided to do a cycle yet. havent got any juice or anything yet. i am just throwing these cycle in the air so i can learn for future knowledge.
 
Bro if your still growing and making gains save that juice for down the road..

think about how much more you know about diet and training now then you did 5 years ago when you first started and all the mistakes you have made in the past.. know try to imagine how much more knowledge and experience you can gain in another year, or two or three.. thats when you want to take everything you have learned and put it all together for your first cycle..

now is the time to experiment with diet and training keep switching things up and learn how to NATURALLY break through your sticking points and then the sky is the limit..

good luck
 
I hope you are just joking about a cycle that strong and long.

19 years old, you are just starting to really grow. I did most of my growing between 19-21 naturally.

Start this early and you will have problems the rest of your life. You can develop severe anxiety problems and permanently low test levels.

Also, nobody should start with that amount of Test. I realised that test was not for me 4-5 weeks into a 500mg a week cycle.

I would advise you to wait a few more years, it's good that you are researching it, but at 19, you should be thinking of other things.

Most of us use Test because it makes us feel like we are 19-20.
 
My first cycle was sust at 250mg a week for 10 weeks and i put on 15 pounds i think you should cut your test in half. Everyone is different but woulnd't it be smarter to start out on the low side to see if you get good gains from that and if not you can up it you next cycle especially since you are only 19
 
19 and considering AAS? insane. When I was 19 I was 5'10 and weighed 155 by the time I'd finished college (22yrs.) I was 6'2 and weighed 190. I hope for your sake you'll wait to besure you've stopped growing. Unless you are one of those guys who was shaving in 5th grade. BTW Now I'm 31 6'3 and weigh 230 ripped.
 
I like the change to the clomid, that would have been my suggestion.
On another note, aas is not cheap...you have enough here for two cycles considering you age and the fact its your first cycle, but you've done your research and heard this speeach many times in this thread so......
as currently written I would consider one thing before starting..

week 1-3 your running prop eod at 150mg (1.5cc?????) and adding 250 enth on 2 of those days? I would break up the enth into 3 or even four days a week and mix it which the prop (at a reduce mg ) to reduce the overall cc's per site injection. Your not going to be able to go glutes only amd shoulders and tris are easier to deal with if you keep it to 2 cc's or under. Because of the half life of the enth increasing injection days will not matter, your shooting anyways. After the prop go to 2 days a week with the enth.

good luck...and honestly consider reducing total mgs.
 
I think your cycle is too fancy.

I think 10 weeks of 500mg of Sust is just right for a first cycle. Then Clomid therapy (as suggested by Beachbum1546) 3 weeks after the last shot. I would consider running .5mg ED of Liquidex/Armidex, or some other Anti-E.

But if I were you I will still wait at least a couple more years.
 
ohashi said:


It doesn't matter if he knows what he's doing, he's 19 for god's sake.
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So? Did you think and feel the same at 19 as you do now? IMO nobody should take gear under 21 yrs old.
 
No way. At 19 I was a child. I thought I had all the answers. Now at 31 I'm happy to report that I don't know shit and don't care to have all the answers. I'm just glad that I waited until my 30's to use AAS. Dumb luck I guess.
 
it may be crazy... but if you are wanting to run prop and enth, have you looked into test 400 it has both plus some cyp???
 
Beachbum1546 said:
bump for some more advice
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I`m 35 and starting my first cycle. fwiw Been lifting longer than you had pubes. Good advice from everybody, Just be careful.
 
You've done your homework. Well designed IMO. My only concern is your age. 19 is young in terms of anabolics I feel.

Your choice, so think long and hard. Good Luck bro!
 
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