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theking1531

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I am looking for the best oral steriod cycle, i cannot do injections at all. Now i know that Dianabol is a good one but it doesnt yield permanent gains and adds a lot of water. So, the question i have it what is the best for bulking. I am 6'3 and 175 i need to gain weight guys.

Also, need a guide to taking it and the PCT for after.

Thanks
 
Seems like a commitment issue.
The only orals I would do alone are anavar and winny. Preferably btg and zambons. Drink the zambons.
I don't think dbol only is worth it.

It is better to get over the phobia, do the proper research, and do the cycle that is best suited for your goals.
 
theking1531 said:
I am looking for the best oral steriod cycle, i cannot do injections at all. Now i know that Dianabol is a good one but it doesnt yield permanent gains and adds a lot of water. So, the question i have it what is the best for bulking. I am 6'3 and 175 i need to gain weight guys.

Also, need a guide to taking it and the PCT for after.

Thanks
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At 6'3" 175lb you need to eat way more. Your money would be much better spent on protein supplement, eggs, chicken breasts, oatmeal, broccoli etc.

Any cycle you do, oral or otherwise will be only temporary if you don't increase your calories.

Spend some time in the diet forum and get an idea of how much protein (and total calories) you should be eating.
 
ok, well i have come to understand that i need to stop bring a pussy and do injections, sooo what do you guys would be the best and easiest cycle to start with for bulking up.
 
theking1531 said:
ok, well i have come to understand that i need to stop bring a pussy and do injections, sooo what do you guys would be the best and easiest cycle to start with for bulking up.
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food food food. thats all you need right now. cycle advice for you would be bad advice. no one wants to hear it but the truth is. a poor diet which you must have will lead to minimal gains and instant loss. in other words you will gain 10 lbs by the end of the cycle and lose all 10 lbs after your off for a few weaks. diet is not a simple skill. it requires time to learn and understand what and how much your body neads. until you have that down you will be trapped in the starting at the same point every cycle that i see a lot of people doing. its a waste of money, health, and time. you need to look like you have been on steroids for a while before you actually are. then you will understand how to grow and progress with them.
 
ok... well this is the one i want to do, would it be good?
and if your going to say something about my diet dont bother because trust me thats not the problem i take in atleast 2000 cal a day but i have a extremely high ability to burn them so.

Equipoise Test. Enanthate H.C.G.
Week 1 200mg
Week 2 200mg 250mg
Week 3 200mg 250mg
Week 4 200mg 250mg
Week 5 200mg 250mg
Week 6 200mg 250mg
Week 7 200mg 250mg
Week 8 200mg 250mg
Week 9 200mg 250mg
Week 10 200mg 250mg
Week 11 250mg
Week 12 .
Week 13 5-7,500 i.u.
Week 14 5,000 i.u.
Week 15 3,000 i.u.
 
forget roids right now, you are too skinny and stand to gain much more naturally without resorting to drugs yet. You could easily gain 25 more pounds just with diet and training at your height.
 
theking1531 said:
ok... well this is the one i want to do, would it be good?
and if your going to say something about my diet dont bother because trust me thats not the problem i take in atleast 2000 cal a day but i have a extremely high ability to burn them so.

Equipoise Test. Enanthate H.C.G.
Week 1 200mg
Week 2 200mg 250mg
Week 3 200mg 250mg
Week 4 200mg 250mg
Week 5 200mg 250mg
Week 6 200mg 250mg
Week 7 200mg 250mg
Week 8 200mg 250mg
Week 9 200mg 250mg
Week 10 200mg 250mg
Week 11 250mg
Week 12 .
Week 13 5-7,500 i.u.
Week 14 5,000 i.u.
Week 15 3,000 i.u.
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typical know it all. man no pun intended here. you dont know shit about diet and it is 100% of your problem. if you want to be successful then let us help you. your not eating half enough food based on your own statements. 2000cals and a fast metabolism = skinny little dude regardless of how much juice you do and no matter how you train. if you want to grow i myself and im sure several others here can help you. just go to the diet section and ask for the help. until you accept this, you will not grow
 
theking1531 said:
ok man, tell me what to do, hook me up wit a diet.
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a basic start. is to divide 2g protein, 3g carbs, .5g fat per lb of bw per day between 6-10 meals. you also need a few servings of green veggies and a good multi v.

so something like this.

1- turkey bacon, eggs, milk, oj, whole grain toast
2- oats with protein powder
3- chicken, sweat tater broccoli
4-workout followed by a high sinple carb whey shake
5- steak, whole grain pasta, asparagus
6- shake
7- right before whole eggs

a few important things are

pay attention to your body- if your not changing any or you are losing weight than you need more food, if you are gaining to much fat you are eating to much food (remove carbs).

if you ever feal hungry- drink milk and eat nuts between meals for this.

as you go you will learn by looking in the mirror and make adjustments as needed.
 
joe d said:
typical know it all. man no pun intended here. you dont know shit about diet and it is 100% of your problem. if you want to be successful then let us help you. your not eating half enough food based on your own statements. 2000cals and a fast metabolism = skinny little dude regardless of how much juice you do and no matter how you train. if you want to grow i myself and im sure several others here can help you. just go to the diet section and ask for the help. until you accept this, you will not grow
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Fucking thumbs up Joe D...
 
joe d said:
food food food. thats all you need right now. cycle advice for you would be bad advice. no one wants to hear it but the truth is. a poor diet which you must have will lead to minimal gains and instant loss. in other words you will gain 10 lbs by the end of the cycle and lose all 10 lbs after your off for a few weaks. diet is not a simple skill. it requires time to learn and understand what and how much your body neads. until you have that down you will be trapped in the starting at the same point every cycle that i see a lot of people doing. its a waste of money, health, and time. you need to look like you have been on steroids for a while before you actually are. then you will understand how to grow and progress with them.
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Solid advice here, the most anabolic compound you can put in your body is food.


Watch some interviews of bodybuilders they are always eating.


RADAR
 
joe d is right on. You (OP) are a loooooonnnng way off from needing steroids. If you listen to the advice of joe d, you will gain more (assuming your workouts are halfway decent) doing it his way without steroids than your way with steroids. 6'3" @ 175? Have you started working out yet? 2000 calories??? How the fuck do you even survive on that?

There was a guy on the weight training board that was a super tall skinny dude that started doing the 3x5 then the 5x5 and kept a journal there. He followed a simple program focusing on progressing in major compound lifts, ramped up his diet to where he was eating about 7000 cals a day. He was making great gains in both strength and size. Kid started around 185 or so, and went up to 240 in a little over a year I think. If he would have kept doing what he was doing before (not eating enough and using a shitty workout program) and had started taking steroids, I can guarantee you that he would still be around 200 lbs at best and have multiple cycles under his belt......and wondering why he isn't gaining.
 
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theking1531 said:
you guys are so smart thanks, i honestly dont give a fuck what u say ceo. i get what joe d is saying but your just a faggot.
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Dude Ceo was trying to help you out..

and I'm also pretty sure he could kick your ass.

Just chill out, get your head on straight and get the basics down before you use juice with the big boys.
 
theking1531 said:
you guys are so smart thanks, i honestly dont give a fuck what u say ceo. i get what joe d is saying but your just a faggot.
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You will go far in life with this attitude. Have fun staying skinny.
 
theking1531 said:
you guys are so smart thanks, i honestly dont give a fuck what u say ceo. i get what joe d is saying but your just a faggot.
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EF welcomes everyone to this board, but this attitude is unexceptable....you come on asking for advice and we are good bros always trying to help...change the attitude or get lost
 
brandonp005 said:
EF welcomes everyone to this board, but this attitude is unexceptable....you come on asking for advice and we are good bros always trying to help...change the attitude or get lost
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He is new to the board but I think we should still try to help him here at EF cause he may go to another board and get some wrong info.

theking, this board will provided you with tons of info and we will help you reach your goals. You have to understand that these guys have been in the game for many years and we are all still learning. We have all been where you are and a lot of us made mistakes that we don't want to see others make.

My advise for you First would be to go to the diet forum. There you will find plenty of good info on eating to meet your goals. I read that forum at least 3 times a week.

Second, you should go to the training forum and post your stats and goals and you will quickly get a reply. Some good Bros there that are more than happy to help you get big.

In the outside world I would never help anyone start a business that would compete with mine. This is different as BB is a lifestyle and we all stick together.

Good Luck
 
joe d said:
lol nice knowing you
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I'm pretty laid back bro. I won't do anything about this...but some other mod may if they see it.
 
theking1531 said:
ok... well this is the one i want to do, would it be good?
and if your going to say something about my diet dont bother because trust me thats not the problem i take in atleast 2000 cal a day but i have a extremely high ability to burn them so.

Equipoise Test. Enanthate H.C.G.
Week 1 200mg
Week 2 200mg 250mg
Week 3 200mg 250mg
Week 4 200mg 250mg
Week 5 200mg 250mg
Week 6 200mg 250mg
Week 7 200mg 250mg
Week 8 200mg 250mg
Week 9 200mg 250mg
Week 10 200mg 250mg
Week 11 250mg
Week 12 .
Week 13 5-7,500 i.u.
Week 14 5,000 i.u.
Week 15 3,000 i.u.
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2000 cals? I cut on well over that...

You need to be taking in about 3500 cals a day. A minimum of 300g protein.
 
ceo said:
I'm pretty laid back bro. I won't do anything about this...but some other mod may if they see it.
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Will give him one chance to get it right. That kind of talk is not excepted on this site and it sure and hell is not excepted when its directed at a mod.. That will be the only warning he ever gets on this subject.
 
needtogetaas said:
Will give him one chance to get it right. That kind of talk is not excepted on this site and it sure and hell is not excepted when its directed at a mod.. That will be the only warning he ever gets on this subject.
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That's what I would've done. :qt:
 
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