First cycle ever..advice please..

[newtothistoo]

Well here we go. I've never used any kind of steroids before. I am 22 yrs old, 5-11 and 165 pounds. I've been working out for about three years and went from 150lb bone-skinny to 165 somewhat defined small muscle.. and .a bit of a belly too..lol..)..It's just seems to hard for me to gain any weight now. My goal is to bump up to 180-185 of lean muscle. As you can see I'm not trying to get all huge and big, just gain enough weight to look fit for my height..
As I mentioned before I have never taken any steroids in the past so I'm defenetly thinking oral at this time. Is there anything to take as a stand alone that will get me the results I want??
I'm thinking anavar since it seems to be the safest oral and also good for first timers but I'm not sure if it will get me the muscle gain I'm looking for..?
Also many many people say that test will be the best choice for my first cycle. If so, what oral test should I take alone with the minimum side effects..(safest)?
Doses for the cycle? How long?

I've researched steroids for the last few months and I know that taking oral might bring problems to my liver, but as of this time I'm not ready for injectables.. With orals, am I gonna need clomid nav or pct if I go for anavar or any test? If so how much?

Thank you in advance for all the good information on this site that's all provided from all the users. I know I will get some great answers.thanks again.


Just hope not to get flamed now..lol.. Really y'all please understand..

 

[Mac173]

You need to do a little bit more research. Keep reading.

 

[DORIANHH]

Id go wit 250mg of enanthate inject, 1 shot per week. But if you wont inject id go with 40mgs of D-bol every day for 4 weeks. Take Wit liv52 and a lot of water and protein.

 

[newtothistoo]

Oh I see.. Now, what kind of results should I expect from this 4 weeks of dbol ? Muscle gain? Any water retention? Keepable gains?

Thanks.

 

[thebigoz]

Oral Test...?!

Anyway, it's fairly obvious you aren't ready to be considering a cycle. Post up your diet and routine in the Diet/Weight Training forums. I guarantee you there are plenty more gains to be made by staying natty. You're 165lbs at 5'11", dude... You have a long way to go before you can't make any more gains naturally.

 

[crulexis]

Why not try some Pro-hormone , or if your lucky get something from needtobuildmuscle.com quickly before he puts it off the shelves. A cycle of Dieselbolan should do it, still need a PCT though.

 

[thebigoz]

Why not try some Pro-hormone , or if your lucky get something from needtobuildmuscle.com quickly before he puts it off the shelves. A cycle of Dieselbolan should do it, still need a PCT though.

Why not? Because he is 165lbs and has no idea what he is doing. That's why.

I guarantee you his diet and/or routine has big holes in it. Fix those up and he will start gaining.

 

[C.K.]

Oral Test...?!

Thats what she said...

 

[newtothistoo]

As far as my diet goes, I do eat throughout the day and it consists of chicken, steak, fish, lots of tuna (and lots of it!) and that's pretty much everyhthig I eat.. Protein shake every morning and everytime after my workouts sometimes one before my workout too... I do train 5 days a week sat-sun off and try to lift heavy 6-8 reps. Sometimes I workout 4 days a week with a day of rest in between..cardio every other morning on workout days.. I will post this on diet/ weight training forum..
I'm not looking to do hardcore cycles, just looking for a little bust that will give me some quicker results along with my diet.. Even if it's not 25lb of muscle, I'll be ok with 10-15 that I can keep after cycle..

 

[bjc227]

test e only cycle 500mg/week for 10 weeks. only gotta shoot that stuff once a week! just make sure you have nolva on hand in case there are any probs with gyno and for pct

 

[Peanutz26]

Test is best.

 

[thebigoz]

test e only cycle 500mg/week for 10 weeks. only gotta shoot that stuff once a week! just make sure you have nolva on hand in case there are any probs with gyno and for pct

Twice a week. Better for even blood levels.

 

[Glove18]

I know how it is for guys like your self. My brother has always had the same problem gaining weight, alot of ppl would say the nastiest things and make fun of him saying he looked sick, yet it had nothing to do with your diet or exursice(spelling) routine. It's just genetics. However a high protien/creatine intake + hard dedication to the gym did solve his problem, while on the other hand guys like your self might tend to have it a bit harder. However I do believe there is oral test if not equilavents. I know of a certain somebody that was on oral test tabs, they come in 20mg pm and I'll show you a pic of em. I've also heard that Andriol is the oral form of Test E I believe?? I know it's some sort of test but can't be test S. I know how you feel about injections as do I feel the same way, but if u think about it, it can be more effect and less harsh on the liver. Not to mention you could be looking at only 1 shot a week, that's not to bad. There r also alternative such as patches and testogel, but I've heard nasty things about both. Well hope that helped..

 

[pavlenko]

man all that is b/s i used to be so skinny when I started 135 pounds and thought it was impossible to gain muscle weight until I started stuffing myself with food every 3 hours religiously and resting like a hospital patient. gained 20 pounds in 5 months naturally! Let us know what you decide to do but my opinion on the matter is that you should work more on your eating and training habbits be4 hoppin on the juice train. Go hard or go home is basically it.

 

[corey5150]

for the guys saying wtf about oral test, there is such a thing, its called Andriol (testosterone undecanoate). I would say get your diet in check and hold off until you can get up to at least 175-180 naturally before giving gear a shot.

 

[wootoom]

60-80mg/ed Anavar only for 8-10 weeks just my opinion...or even a Test only cylce can to go wrong there.

 

[KoKaTa]

hey dude...i had the same question about a month ago...see...i still havent done the juice, but thanx to these guys here...see..what they said is that if i get my diet perfect, i will not need steroids for a long time...im just like you,21 and 170 pounds,and i altered my diet to be semi-good, and i gained 15 pounds in 2 weeks....all in all, guys like us dont need steroids yet,we could go for another 20-25 pounds in the next year with FOOD only.so my suggestions is stick with food for a little while, and then see what happens...oh, and keep us posted

 

[Unit 2005]

Weeks 1-10 500mg/week either sust, test enth or test cyp
Weeks 1-4 20-30mg/ED dbol


Eat well and train very hard. Some of your questions raise some suspicion that you dont really know much about any of this. Thats cool tho, thats why we all ask questions and visit this site. The best thing you can do is read as much as you can - and in the mean time, train as hard as you can and start eating alot more good foods. Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[metalfujimi]

As far as my diet goes, I do eat throughout the day and it consists of chicken, steak, fish, lots of tuna (and lots of it!) and that's pretty much everyhthig I eat.. Protein shake every morning and everytime after my workouts sometimes one before my workout too... I do train 5 days a week sat-sun off and try to lift heavy 6-8 reps. Sometimes I workout 4 days a week with a day of rest in between..cardio every other morning on workout days.. I will post this on diet/ weight training forum..
I'm not looking to do hardcore cycles, just looking for a little bust that will give me some quicker results along with my diet.. Even if it's not 25lb of muscle, I'll be ok with 10-15 that I can keep after cycle..

If I were you, I wouldnt do any cardio, especially in the morning on workout days like you say. I am a naturally skinny person too, but it makes it alot harder to gain weight when your spending energy on cardio. Just focus on lifting heavy and eating big right now

 

[Unit 2005]

Good point. If you really are finding it hard to pack on the mass. Keep cardio and sports to a minimum for now. If you start piling on the fat, then hit the treadmill a few times a week.

 

[RADAR]

steroids are not magic,they require food to work,you need at least 2 grams of protein for every pound of bodyweight, and 6-7 small meal servings per day ,get that dialed in and you will grow.

Test is reccommended for a fist cycle.

RADAR