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First cycle check...

livestronger

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Is sustanon and creatine/glutamine good for a first cycle? From my research Sust popular because of good gains with low sides. And its apparently in a longer lasting ether so I could do less jabs, maybe 2 a week?

But I've heard people talk about test e being a better option. Can anyone tell me why? what about Cypionate?

My stats and goals...

Age:27
Weight: 200
BF: 16%
Goals: lean muscle, fighter body

Thanks in advance!
 
sust only is a good cycle, at 16% bf i thik you should hold off and get that down first wit a proper diet and training and then hit the goods. i would run it at 500mg a wk for 10 wks, do the shots mon and thursdays.
 
i was planning on doing sus for my first cycle but got some advice on here to try Test E or Cyp first (i'll be doing E) and i decided to listen to it.
the reason was bc sus is 4 diff compounds and you may not react well with one of them but you won't know which one.

its up to you though.
goodluck
 
TM248 said:
i was planning on doing sus for my first cycle but got some advice on here to try Test E or Cyp first (i'll be doing E) and i decided to listen to it.
the reason was bc sus is 4 diff compounds and you may not react well with one of them but you won't know which one.

its up to you though.
goodluck

possibly, but not likely, they are all test esters its not like theres dbol or eq in there or anything.
 
sustanon is a blend of 4 esters. my first cycle was sustanon 250mg a week for 10, it worked wonders and no sides. iv never ran enath but i have run cyp and i must say sustanon blows it away!
 
every thing about a cycle from start to pct is about keeping your levels as level as you can..the esters in sust do not keep you level if you are only shouting them once or twice a week.imo the prop throws things off unless you are shooting it ed or eod.test-e or c is just a more stable cycle for a new guy.

not at all saying sust has not or will not work to add muscle when used at 250-500mg a week I just think using test-e c would make for a smother cycle and recovery.
 
needtogetaas said:
every thing about a cycle from start to pct is about keeping your levels as level as you can..the esters in sust do not keep you level if you are only shouting them once or twice a week.imo the prop throws things off unless you are shooting it ed or eod.test-e or c is just a more stable cycle for a new guy.
not at all saying sust has not or will not work to add muscle when used at 250-500mg a week I just think using test-e c would make for a smother cycle and recovery.

you are right bro, but for some reason i find sustanon alot better just my opnion
 
xrsist said:
you are right bro, but for some reason i find sustanon alot better just my opnion
well you used sust first and test next....never going to have a first cycle again bro so thats prob why.
 
needtogetaas said:
well you used sust first and test next....never going to have a first cycle again bro so thats prob why.

very true, but i used sust again after test c and it was excellent. just my opnion :)
 
you say un level but remember, sus was made for hrt to be time released. his discusion can go on for ever...
 
bca21 said:
you say un level but remember, sus was made for hrt to be time released. his discusion can go on for ever...
This product was developed by Organon as an ideal HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) solution, and it was thought at the time that the different esters would be able to provide a constant release of Testosterone over a months time. Sustanon is a blend of different estered testosterones (4 of them): testosterone propionate - 30 mg, testosterone phenylpropionate - 60 mg, testosterone isocaproate - 60mg, and testosterone decanoate -100 mg.

However, lets keep in mind that this drug was designed for convenience, not athletics or bodybuilding. The advantage to this drug, according to the manufacturer, is that it can be injected once a month, and the different esters would provide different timed releases over that month, and the patient would therefore only need to visit the doctor once a month for his shot. For athletes or bodybuilders (who routinely use between half a gram and a gram of testosterone per week), this product is really no better than any other form of injectable testosterone.


Lately, it seems that this product has fallen out of favor as many feel that the inclusion of the Propionate and phenylpropionate estered forms of testosterone in this blend would necessitate shooting every other day. This stems from the fact that testosterone propionate would be shot every other day at least, and testosterone phenylpropionate would generally be shot every third day.


still not saying it want add muscle and do what "test" has always bin known to do.
 
needtogetaas said:
every thing about a cycle from start to pct is about keeping your levels as level as you can..the esters in sust do not keep you level if you are only shouting them once or twice a week.imo the prop throws things off unless you are shooting it ed or eod.test-e or c is just a more stable cycle for a new guy.

not at all saying sust has not or will not work to add muscle when used at 250-500mg a week I just think using test-e c would make for a smother cycle and recovery.

I guess I'll do eod with Sust. Is that even worth it? Whats the meta time for prop like 12 hours? Also, what about adding equipose to the lineup?? Worth it for a first cycle? Thanks bro.
 
livestronger said:
I guess I'll do eod with Sust. Is that even worth it? Whats the meta time for prop like 12 hours? Also, what about adding equipose to the lineup?? Worth it for a first cycle? Thanks bro.
just go with test-e 500mg ew bro...if you want to go with sust do that at 500mg ew to I am not saying you cant use it like that or that its no good just better at eod shots thats all.but 250-500mg od sust ew has worked as a first cycle for many bro's
dont add any thing to it.
 
livestronger said:
I guess I'll do eod with Sust. Is that even worth it? Whats the meta time for prop like 12 hours? Also, what about adding equipose to the lineup?? Worth it for a first cycle? Thanks bro.

EOD with sust as a first cycle..... prob not advised. bro stick with test e or c. dont even start thinking about eq yet wait till youv got some test cycles under your belt first
 
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