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First Cycle - Bulking up

Uber-Joey

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Hey everyone,

I was going to begin ordering everything tonight, but thought i should run it by everyone first for additional changes. Need2getaas provided some GREAT advice but I think he may be getting sick of my questions. :D

Background: I'm 24, 150lbs, 5'6. First cycle. I want to gain muscle mass (10lbs - 20lbs) and increase strength because I have definitely hit my peak in strength and I have a hard time gaining weight(asian metabolism). I don't care about body fat since I will not have a problem burning it off. Been working out on/off since I was 15, but have been consistent the past 2 years. I want to take something orally and do not mind the length of time I have to take it (1-3months).
*Side note: My wife and I also have been trying to get pregnant the past 8 months. I also have a history of injuring tendons and joints, so anything that makes these stronger would be great.

Cycle:

Katanadrol+N2slin Lean bulk cycle.
  • 1-4 katanadrol 250mg every day spread out
  • 2-8 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals
  • 1-4 N2guard
  • 1-4 HCGenerate 5 caps a day

PCT portion of the cycle
  • 4-8 forged steel 1 cap am and 1 cap pm
  • 4-8 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm.

Questions
  • What is an alternative to HCGenerate since it currently costs $99 and backordered?
  • Is katanadrol my best option, or should I consider test E?
  • Should I up the dosage and increase to 6 weeks for on cycle?
  • Should I be taking GEAR? If so, should i take it on cycle, or PCT (or both?)

Thanks everyone!
 
Bro at 150 and 5'6" you really dont need to be too concerned about a lean bulk.
If I were you I would do test (long ester) and Bold.
The bold for you connecting tissue issues.
Test at 500 mg/week. Bold at 250-500mg/week.
And most important EAT!
 
thanks zedhed.

I'm trying to do more research on test - long ester. What is this called exactly? Also, how long of a cycle would that be?
 
thanks zedhed.

I'm trying to do more research on test - long ester. What is this called exactly? Also, how long of a cycle would that be?



The ester is enanthate,also cypionate is very similar and differs by just one molecule.A typical cycle of this would be 500mgs for 10 weeks ,this will adverage out to be 2 10ml bottles.(if dosed properly)
 
The ester is enanthate,also cypionate is very similar and differs by just one molecule.A typical cycle of this would be 500mgs for 10 weeks ,this will adverage out to be 2 10ml bottles.(if dosed properly)

Thanks Radar. So it's essentially what people commonly refer to as "test e" right? Is that taken orally? And that would be 500mg a week correct?
 
Thanks Radar. So it's essentially what people commonly refer to as "test e" right? Is that taken orally? And that would be 500mg a week correct?

Test E is an injection.

Test E stands for Testosterone Enanthate. Testosterone is the hormone. Enanthate is the name of the ester attached to it.

I wouldn't even consider test right now tho my good man you have much much more research to do before then.
 
Test E is an injection.

Test E stands for Testosterone Enanthate. Testosterone is the hormone. Enanthate is the name of the ester attached to it.

I wouldn't even consider test right now tho my good man you have much much more research to do before then.

Ah gotcha, thanks. Yeah I've researched that and it's just a matter of putting everything together and making sense to me, especially with all the different shortened names everyone uses. Just to make sure I'm on the right track, there's a few other esters like deca that's combined with testosterone, and some are more potent and have more potential for side effects (deca dick, gyno, acne, etc), right? I know most side effects can be avoided with the proper PCT ready, and stopping your cycle as soon as something goes wrong.

Test E only comes in an injectable form or can it be taken orally? This seems like my best bet right now since everyone is recommending this.

Also, does anyone know of a HCGenerate alternate?
 
Ah gotcha, thanks. Yeah I've researched that and it's just a matter of putting everything together and making sense to me, especially with all the different shortened names everyone uses. Just to make sure I'm on the right track, there's a few other esters like deca that's combined with testosterone, and some are more potent and have more potential for side effects (deca dick, gyno, acne, etc), right? I know most side effects can be avoided with the proper PCT ready, and stopping your cycle as soon as something goes wrong.

When people say "deca" they are actually referring to the hormone Nandrolone with a decanate ester attached to it. Instead of calling it Nandolone deca like they should they shorten it to just deca. Nandrolone is a hormone just like testosterone is, however its effects are entirely different. The ester chosen doesn't change the side effects, that depends on what actual steroid your taken and at what dose.
Test E only comes in an injectable form or can it be taken orally? This seems like my best bet right now since everyone is recommending this.

No you cant drink it you have to inject it.

Also, does anyone know of a HCGenerate alternate?

Double dose of Bridge

Bold.

A little info on esters...

WHAT AN ESTER IS, AND HOW IT WORKS

I'm sure that if you have taken an interest in anabolic steroids you have noticed the similarities on the labeling of many drugs. Let's look at testosterone for example. One can find compounds like testosterone cypionate, enanthate, propionate, heptylate; caproate, phenylpropionate, isocaproate, decanoate, acetate, the list goes on and on. In all such cases the parent hormone is testosterone, which had been modified by adding an ester (enanthate, propionate etc.) to its structure. The following question arises: What is the difference between the various esterified versions of testosterone in regards to their use in bodybuilding?

An ester is a chain composed primarily of carbon and hydrogen atoms. This chain is typically attached to the parent steroid hormone at the 17th carbon position (beta orientation), although some compounds do carry esters at position 3 (for the purposes of this article it is not crucial to understand the exact position of the ester). Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid from the site of injection. This happens because the ester will notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as it is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach general circulation.

Slowing the release of the parent steroid is a great benefit in steroid medicine, as free testosterone (or other steroid hormones) previously would remain active in the body for a very short period of time (typically hours). This would necessitate an unpleasant daily injection schedule if one wished to maintain a continuous elevation of testosterone. By adding an ester, injections can be as infrequent as once per week or longer, instead of having to constantly re-administer the drug to achieve the desried effect. Clearly without the use of an ester, maintaining constant blood levels with an injectable anabolic/androgen would be much more difficult.

Esterification temporarily deactivates the steroid molecule. With a chain blocking the 17th beta position, binding to the androgen receptor is not possible (it can exert no activity in the body). In order for the compound to become active the ester must therefore first be removed. This automatically occurs once the compound has filtered into blood circulation, where esterase enzymes quickly cleave off (hydrolyze) the ester chain. This will restore the necessary hydroxyl (OH) group at the 17th beta position, enabling the drug to attach to the appropriate receptor. Now and only now will the steroid be able to have an effect on skeletal muscle tissue.

You can start to see why considering testosterone cypionate much more potent than enanthate makes little sense, as your muscles are seeing only free testosterone no matter what ester was used to deploy it.

ACTIONS OF DIFFERENT ESTERS

There are many different esters that are used with anabolic/androgenic steroids, but again, they all do basically the same thing. Esters vary only in their ability to reduce a steroid's water solubility. An ester like propionate for example will slow the release of a steroid for a few days, while the duration will be up to 15 days+/- with a decanoate ester. Esters have no effect on the tendency for the parent steroid to convert to estrogen or DHT (dihydrotestosterone: a more potent metabolite) nor will it effect the overall muscle-building potency of the compound. Any differences in results and side effects that may be noted by bodybuilders who have used various esterified versions of the same base steroid are just issues of timing.

*Testosterone enanthate causes estrogen related problems more readily than Sustanon, simply because with enanthate testosterone levels will peak and trough much sooner. Likewise testosterone suspension is the worst in regards to gyno and water bloat because blood hormone levels peak so quickly with this drug (propionate included). Instead of waiting weeks for testosterone levels to rise to their highest point, here we are at most looking at a couple of days. Given an equal blood level of testosterone, there would be no difference in the rate of aromatization or DHT conversion between different esters. There is simply no mechanism for this to be possible.

There is however one way that we can say an ester does technically effect potency; it is calculated in the steroid weight. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of testosterone enanthate for example, 250mg of esterified steroid (testosterone enanthate) is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester. If we wanted to be really picky, we could consider enanthate slightly MORE potent than cypionate (I know this goes against popular thinking) as its ester chain contains one less carbon atom (therefore taking up a slightly smaller percentage of total weight). Propionate would of course come out on top of the three, releasing a measurable (but not significant) amount more testosterone per injection than cypionate or enanthate.
 
Jmat - you the man! That was probably one of the most effective articles I've read on this website. That totally makes sense now/

I think as my first cycle, I'm going to stick with katanadrol, more mild and I wouldn't have to worry about estrogen related problems because of inexperience. Maybe you can help me with these as well:

Should i be taking gear? If so, how many a day and should it be on cycle and PCT?
Would I get better results if i did 6 weeks 250mg? And if i did, would i still require 4 weeks of PCT or would it be 6 weeks of PCT?
 
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