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Hi Guys,

OK, I’m hoping to do my first ever cycle the beginning/middle of January for 8 – 10 weeks and was hoping some of you pro’s could give me some advice 

I’ve done a lot of research into AAS and pretty much made up my mind from day one that Anavar is probably gonna be the best bet for me for several reasons.

Firstly, I’m pretty sensitive to DHT and estrogen which has been evident from experiences in my teens (I’m 22 now).
I suffered a mild case of pubertal gyno when I was about 16 or 17 which thankfully diminished quite quickly and didn’t progress any further. Basiclly, my nipples became very sensitive for about 2 or 3 weeks and I could feel 2 hard lumps behind them. At the time I didn’t know what this was. But thankfully, it didn’t last very long and soon went away on it’s own accord.
I do believe I am quite prone to estrogenic fat deposits although my bodyfat isn’t actually that high at the moment (probably around 13 or 14% at the moment) but I do seem to store fat around my nipples and lower back area more so than my stomach. I do seem to be quite sensitive to water retention aswell, so all this has led me to believe I’m pretty sensitive to estrogen.

There is also a history of MPB in my family on my father’s side, although neither I or my brother have suffered any major hairloss issues.
But again, when I was about 18 I did suffer from some very minor thinning around the crown area, but generally I have a very thick head of hair.

I started taking some finastride/propecia about a year and a half ago after I found my scalp becoming more and more irritated and ichy and nothing seemed to help it, but a combination of finastride and nizoral has definitely sorted all this out and I have suffered no side effects or hair related problems since.

Hair loss is a real worry for me, I know a lot of guys just say let it be and shave it off or whatever, but it’s kind of hard to let go…lol.

Anyways, to cut to the chase….all this has led me to believe I am pretty sensitive to estrogen and DHT, which is the main reason why I have opted for Anavar.

I have found a legit source and am planning on an 8 week cycle of 50mg ED.

I know Var isn’t always as mild as it would seem on paper, so I’ve stocked up on all the necessary precautions such as milk thistle (legalon)/liv 52, Cholesterol Support, Niacin, EFA Oils, Kidney Support…etc.

I am not expecting any miracles in gains, but I hoping for a nice boost in strength and recovery. I would actually prefer to add weight gradually, rather than take loads of AAS and try to gain 20lbs in a cycle of something stupid. I would prefer to use the minimum amount of AAS I can in order to gain if I can. So 5 – 10lbs of lean muscle mass over 8 weeks (diet permitting of course) is a good achievement in my mind.

Having said all this, I am now considering add some low dose Testosterone Proportionate to that cycle to maintain libido and contribute to better gains, but am not quite sure if this is a good idea or not?
Like I said, I would seem pretty sensitive to aromatization of testosterone and this is something I’ve been hoping to avoid.

I am thinking of Test Prop due to the fact it has a shorter half life and I could easily stop the cycle if I ran into any problems and the test would be out of my system within a few days or a week.

Having said that, adding Test to this cycle would obviously contribute to the gains I would make much more so than the Var alone.

I’m just not quite sure what kind of dose is gonna be best for me as I really am trying to avoid anything too androgenic? At the momement I am thinking of something like 150mg split Bi weekly, something like:

Anavar – Weeks 1 – 8 (40 or 50mg ED)…will also take something like Amp02 for the creatine..etc.
Test Prop – Weeks 1 – 8 (50mg EOD)
Arimidex – Weeks 1 – 8 (0.5mg EOD)

Nolvadex PCT – Weeks 8 – 12 (60mg, 40mg then 20mg as standard)

I will also be taking (for hair loss prevention):
Finastride – 1mg ED
Nizoral 2% Shampoo – ED
Topical Spiro 5% - 2x ED

I know prop injections can be quite painful, but I’m guessing it wouldn’t be so bad with lower doses?

Sorry for such a long thread, but I would really appreciate any advice you guys can give me. Got a lot of respect for a lot of the bros on this site, so also wanna say thanks for sharing all the knowledge and for taking the time to help us newbies out.

Peace
 
Wait a few more years. And skip the prop for your first cycle. Use cyp or e as a test ester. Also, you'd be better off at 10 weeks instead of 8, IMO.
 
Thanks for the advice guys.

Is there any specific reason why you are recommending test cypionate or enan over prop?

I would have thought this would make PCT more complicated?

I know test prop requires more frequent injections and should be done EOD at the minimum to keep blood levels stable...etc. But the reason I am thinking of prop is because it is faster acting and therefore I can stop easier if i run into any issues (hair loss..etc.) and clear it out my system much quicker.
 
If you can handle the frequent injections and pain, I don't see any reason not to use the propionate. Your theory makes sense, a shorter ester will clear faster if you run into any problems. Same reason I run Tren A instead of E.

I'm running prop for the first time this cycle, and Anavar for the first time next cycle (w/ prop and tren). Keep us posted on your gains, I'm curious.

Again, if the frequent injects are no issue roll w/ it bro. ROTATE INJECTION SITES!
 
Hey Jim,

Firstly, thanks for taking the time out to respond to the thread bro..appriciate all the advice you guys give.

Yes, I know prop can be painful injections. But I was wondering if this is dose dependant? I am intending to use a very moderate dose compared to the average, which is mainly down to my paranoia with hair loss issues which can be a result of using test due to it's androgenic properties.
I really just thought of adding the test as a maintainance to go with the Var, just to help keep the libido and energy levels up and such.

I will be using a hair loss prevention stack along with this, so I am hoping I should be ok as far as that is concerned. The finastride should help reduce the test undergoing the 5AR conversion to DHT, and the other topicals such as spiro should help protect any androgenic activity in the scalp.

I believe I am prone to MPB, but probably not as much as some people.

I've heard there are ways to possibily minimize the pain from prop injections. One tip I read about was to put the vial in a cup of warm water for a few minutes before injecting and to take a hot shower beforehand to help soften the skin up prior to injecting.

I've never done an injection before, but I've obviously had blood test/health jabs before and needles don't really bother me so I'm not overly concerned about the more frequent injections.

Test cypionate or enan would make life easier in that respect, but then I would have to think about a more complicated PCT due to the Anavar and there is also the issue of these having a longer half life, which would be a problem if I ran into trouble. With the prop and var together, I can simply stop altogether and go right into PCT whenever I need to.
 
funkyfresh said:
Thanks for the advice guys.

Is there any specific reason why you are recommending test cypionate or enan over testosterone propionate?

I would have thought this would make PCT - post cycle therapy - more complicated?

I know test testosterone propionate requires more frequent injections and should be done EOD at the minimum to keep blood levels stable...etc. But the reason I am thinking of testosterone propionate is because it is faster acting and therefore I can stop easier if i run into any issues (hair loss..etc.) and clear it out my system much quicker.
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Very smart choice, since u might be prone to estrogenic sides. Go ahead and use the prop.

P.S.
I see u've done your research.
 
The cycle plan looks fine, but I think you need to bump up the test to 100mg EoD. As of now you're only going to be taking 175mg/week, which is pretty low.

Also, test-p isn't a very good idea for a noob cycle. Yeah, test-p is the best test because it kicks in fast as hell but I think you should go with test-e or test-c until you get some experience with injections.
 
Funny you speak of this cycle. I started the same thing this week. I'm just taking 50mg test prop once on Monday and once on Thursday. I'm taking 35mg anavar everyday. I'm also using regular Dermacrine. I'm already where I want to be size and physique wise from m previous 2year long cycle. I figure I'd do something light just to carry on. I don't see any problem of excess estrogen with what little prop I'm using along with the Dermacrine. I think it's going to be a nice, long term, mild cycle for myself.
 
Hey guys,

Yes, I know the dose I am preposing is very low...I may think about upping this. But I really wanted to start with something very light to start with as I'm really trying to avoid any major side effects.

Do you guys think 150mg - 200mg of Test Prop a week with Finastride would be fairly safe as far as hair loss is concerned?
 
funkyfresh said:
Hey guys,

Yes, I know the dose I am preposing is very low...I may think about upping this. But I really wanted to start with something very light to start with as I'm really trying to avoid any major side effects.

Do you guys think 150mg - 200mg of Test testosterone propionate a week with Finastride would be fairly safe as far as hair loss is concerned?
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I've used a gram of Sust per week on several cycles and have never gone less than 500mg/wk. I've never experienced any hairloss(knocks on wood).

So, no. Unless you are SUPER proned to it, I can't imagine you would lose hair on that low of a dose.
 
Hi guys,

Just been doing some further reading into Test Prop and I've been hearing some pretty nasty things about the injections from it. I'm not sure if this is dose dependant, but it would seem that Test Prop does have a reputation for painful injections.

I am now thinking Test E might be a better idea as already suggested? as I don't want to take anything which may interfere with my training because of a painful injection..etc.

Anavar 40 - 50mg ED weeks 1 - 8
Test E - 100mg every 4th day weeks 1 - 8
Arimidex - 0.5mg EOD weeks 1 - 8

PCT - starting 4 days after last test jab
Nolvadex - 60mg day 1
40mg day 2 - 4
20mg day 4 - 20

Hair Loss Stack:
Finastride - 1mg ED
Topical Spiro 5% - applied each evening before bed
Nizoral 2% ED

Was also thinking of adding 0.5mg of Dutasteride every 7th day in placement of finastride for extra hairloss protection?...not sure if this a good idea though?
 
youre dosing the test too low stop being a vag and up it. all your going to do is shut yourself down and get minimal gains. and dont worry about using prop, its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. but enan is prob a better choice for you being your first cycle. run the test at 250mg every 4-5 days at the very least imo.
 
I see no reason for prop because it clears faster. Just use a lower dose. Why inject daily?

Finastride is an anti androgen and may exasperate gyno.
 
Hey Nelson,

That's actually a very valid point....I could just use a lower dose of Test E to the same effect, which is basiclly what I've been thinking now.

Yes, Finastride is an anti androgen and I have been taking this for about a year now to good effect (no sides).

But gyno is a concern when taking test, especially with finastride or any anti androgen, which is why I am intending on adding an anti-e to that cycle (probably 0.5mg of adex EOD).

Thanks :)
J
 
Para_Shoot said:
Funny you speak of this cycle. I started the same thing this week. I'm just taking 50mg test testosterone propionate once on Monday and once on Thursday. I'm taking 35mg anavar everyday. I'm also using regular Dermacrine. I'm already where I want to be size and physique wise from m previous 2year long cycle. I figure I'd do something light just to carry on. I don't see any problem of excess estrogen with what little testosterone propionate I'm using along with the Dermacrine. I think it's going to be a nice, long term, mild cycle for myself.
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Ok I've gotta ask "from m previous 2year long cycle". As in 2 years of cycling or 2 straight years of being "on"? If 2 years being on I've got to know what you were taking.
 
The prop is the cleanest. I am not an Test expert so I am sure someone with greater knowledge on the subject can tell you details. If you are worried about the prop. pain get some grapeseed oil to cut the prop. with. Make sure it is sterile GS oil!
That should take care of your pain issues.
 
I think that's a neat lil' cycle. i also like how you are a proponent of minimal doses and it appears that your intention is to have a diet that is "spot on" in order to get lean muscle gains. I think you might be happier with at least 200mgs of total test EW, but i'm sure 150mgs will maintain libido

keep us posted and good luck
funkyfresh said:
Hi Guys,

OK, I’m hoping to do my first ever cycle the beginning/middle of January for 8 – 10 weeks and was hoping some of you pro’s could give me some advice 

I’ve done a lot of research into anabolic androgenic steroids and pretty much made up my mind from day one that Anavar is probably gonna be the best bet for me for several reasons.

Firstly, I’m pretty sensitive to dihydrotestosterone and estrogen which has been evident from experiences in my teens (I’m 22 now).
I suffered a mild case of pubertal gynecomastia when I was about 16 or 17 which thankfully diminished quite quickly and didn’t progress any further. Basiclly, my nipples became very sensitive for about 2 or 3 weeks and I could feel 2 hard lumps behind them. At the time I didn’t know what this was. But thankfully, it didn’t last very long and soon went away on it’s own accord.
I do believe I am quite prone to estrogenic fat deposits although my bodyfat isn’t actually that high at the moment (probably around 13 or 14% at the moment) but I do seem to store fat around my nipples and lower back area more so than my stomach. I do seem to be quite sensitive to water retention aswell, so all this has led me to believe I’m pretty sensitive to estrogen.

There is also a history of MPB in my family on my father’s side, although neither I or my brother have suffered any major hairloss issues.
But again, when I was about 18 I did suffer from some very minor thinning around the crown area, but generally I have a very thick head of hair.

I started taking some finastride/propecia about a year and a half ago after I found my scalp becoming more and more irritated and ichy and nothing seemed to help it, but a combination of finastride and nizoral has definitely sorted all this out and I have suffered no side effects or hair related problems since.

Hair loss is a real worry for me, I know a lot of guys just say let it be and shave it off or whatever, but it’s kind of hard to let go…lol.

Anyways, to cut to the chase….all this has led me to believe I am pretty sensitive to estrogen and dihydrotestosterone, which is the main reason why I have opted for Anavar.

I have found a legit source and am planning on an 8 week cycle of 50mg ED.

I know Anavar - oxandrolone - isn’t always as mild as it would seem on paper, so I’ve stocked up on all the necessary precautions such as milk thistle (legalon)/liv 52, Cholesterol Support, Niacin, EFA Oils, Kidney Support…etc.

I am not expecting any miracles in gains, but I hoping for a nice boost in strength and recovery. I would actually prefer to add weight gradually, rather than take loads of anabolic androgenic steroids and try to gain 20lbs in a cycle of something stupid. I would prefer to use the minimum amount of AAS I can in order to gain if I can. So 5 – 10lbs of lean muscle mass over 8 weeks (diet permitting of course) is a good achievement in my mind.

Having said all this, I am now considering add some low dose Testosterone Proportionate to that cycle to maintain libido and contribute to better gains, but am not quite sure if this is a good idea or not?
Like I said, I would seem pretty sensitive to aromatization of testosterone and this is something I’ve been hoping to avoid.

I am thinking of Test testosterone propionate due to the fact it has a shorter half life and I could easily stop the cycle if I ran into any problems and the test would be out of my system within a few days or a week.

Having said that, adding Test to this cycle would obviously contribute to the gains I would make much more so than the Anavar - oxandrolone - alone.

I’m just not quite sure what kind of dose is gonna be best for me as I really am trying to avoid anything too androgenic? At the momement I am thinking of something like 150mg split Bi weekly, something like:

Anavar – Weeks 1 – 8 (40 or 50mg ED)…will also take something like Amp02 for the creatine..etc.
testosterone propionate – Weeks 1 – 8 (50mg EOD)
Arimidex – Weeks 1 – 8 (0.5mg EOD)

Nolvadex PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - – Weeks 8 – 12 (60mg, 40mg then 20mg as standard)

I will also be taking (for hair loss prevention):
Finastride – 1mg ED
Nizoral 2% Shampoo – ED
Topical Spiro 5% - 2x ED

I know testosterone propionate injections can be quite painful, but I’m guessing it wouldn’t be so bad with lower doses?

Sorry for such a long thread, but I would really appreciate any advice you guys can give me. Got a lot of respect for a lot of the bros on this site, so also wanna say thanks for sharing all the knowledge and for taking the time to help us newbies out.

Peace
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kidd73 said:
Ok I've gotta ask "from m previous 2year long cycle". As in 2 years of cycling or 2 straight years of being "on"? If 2 years being on I've got to know what you were taking.
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Yes, I was on two years straight, no breaks, no bridges. I was taking 100mg test prop every 3 days. I rotated between 200mg eq, 200mg tren enan and 200mg primo a week with that test prop, meaning I'd take 200mg eq a week for 3 months, then 200mg trene enan for the next 3 months and so on. It wasn't a heavy dose of juice but it was steady.
 
Thanks Acela

Daveyboy, I appriciate where you are coming from on this one bro....but even a low dose of test at 150mg ew, this is still quite a boost in test levels.
Perhaps 200mg might be better.

I know what you are saying though, why go for such a low dose and shut down my natural test levels for something so minimal?

But say the average guy produces 70mg of test ew....bumping this up to 100 or 150mg is still quite a jump. Of course, not all that extra 80mg of test in your body is going to be "free" testosterone due to the SHBG, which is another reason to stack it with Var.

Var is said to have quite a pronounced effect on the SHBG, so in other words, it should in theory, help reduce the amount of the test which is trapped by the SHBG and help you get the most out of your test.

Like I said though, I want to keep things as basic and minimal as possible for various reasons (mostly to keep sides to a minimum and for long term health).

I'm not expecting huge gains on such a modest cycle, but I would hope for a nice boost in strength and recovery. How much muscle I gain is gonna be down to my diet, rest and training more so than what AAS I use, but I am hoping a cycle such as this will help give me a little bit of an edge and allow me to train a little harder and recover quicker.

Bodybuilding isn't a short term sport anyway, I believe you have to take the time and put the work in to get the results you want. So if I gain 5 - 10lbs of quality lean muscle in the next year, this too me is a great accomplishment.
 
sounds like youve got all the answers huh. why are you even on here posting about your cycle? why listen to anyone with experience actually doing steroids when you have all your scientific theories :rolleyes:

enjoy your female BB cycle :rainbow:

funkyfresh said:
Thanks Acela

Daveyboy, I appriciate where you are coming from on this one bro....but even a low dose of test at 150mg ew, this is still quite a boost in test levels.
Perhaps 200mg might be better.

I know what you are saying though, why go for such a low dose and shut down my natural test levels for something so minimal?

But say the average guy produces 70mg of test ew....bumping this up to 100 or 150mg is still quite a jump. Of course, not all that extra 80mg of test in your body is going to be "free" testosterone due to the sex hormone binding globulin , which is another reason to stack it with Anavar - oxandrolone - .

Var is said to have quite a pronounced effect on the SHBG, so in other words, it should in theory, help reduce the amount of the test which is trapped by the SHBG and help you get the most out of your test.

Like I said though, I want to keep things as basic and minimal as possible for various reasons (mostly to keep sides to a minimum and for long term health).

I'm not expecting huge gains on such a modest cycle, but I would hope for a nice boost in strength and recovery. How much muscle I gain is gonna be down to my diet, rest and training more so than what anabolic androgenic steroids I use, but I am hoping a cycle such as this will help give me a little bit of an edge and allow me to train a little harder and recover quicker.

Bodybuilding isn't a short term sport anyway, I believe you have to take the time and put the work in to get the results you want. So if I gain 5 - 10lbs of quality lean muscle in the next year, this too me is a great accomplishment.
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No need to be a f*ckin tit about it Dave (is it that time of the month for you or what?, whats with all the attitude?) If I had all the answers, I wouldn't be asking the questions now would I?

Don't get me wrong, I only ask because I am interested to hear people's reasons behind the recommendations they make. I'm not disputing anything, I'm simply curious.

Not trying to disrespect anyone's opinion or anything like that, but it seems a lot of folks give advice without much thought behind what they are saying. Obviously, I don't have the experience, so I cannot speak for myself on that.
But for example; I've heard guys say stuff like "Oh, you need to be taking at least 1g of test with that" but don't actually bother to explain why they are advising this.
Just because someone has taken steroids doesn't mean they know everything and that they are nessessarily right in everything they advise to other people.

That's the whole point of having a discussion board...to learn, ask questions and debate.

Thank you for your input Dave, but you obviously don't really wanna be involved in this thread in the first place judging from your attitude.

OK, you are obviously much more experienced in the subject. But so far, all you've said is "stop being a vag and go with 500mg test minimum"...lol.
That's your opinion and I appriciate that, I'm not saying you are right or wrong to advise that. Thank you for posting. But don't take it personally just because I dare to ask why you are advising that dose...I'm just interested that's all. So no need to get all menstral about it.

Anyway, enough rambling for now...lol. Appriciate all the advice guys (that includes you Dave).
 
The fact is you will waste your time and money doing 200mg a week period. Ive been around the block, trust me, and if you want to take the advice thats your choice. Or you can do it your way and realize that you should have done it the right way the first time. See I already made the mistakes and took the wrong shit and wrong doses and fucked up pct years ago. Maybe you and all the newbs that come here could learn from us vets and our mistakes, thats why we are here. Its your choice to take the advice or not. Your theories sound fine on paper, but thats all it is, a theory.
 
Thanks Dave :)

I hope you don't think I'm being too much of a d*ck..lol. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone, I just have a tendancy to ask too many damn questions for my own good..lol. I do appriciate the advice bro, seriously, thanks.

I guess I'm just a little bit overly cautious as this is gonna be my first cycle.

:)
 
I don't know if anyone has asked...but I read that you suffered minor gast0 at age 17....why? Was it natural, AS induced? Illness related? I've read some of the pre-pubes-gyno stuff can be drug reaction related. Don't mean to get personal...just asking for my own Knowledge.

At 22...I would think that you would be dripping with natural levels of testosterone....and I don't understand why you would even cycle AS at all at least for a couple more years...after you've tried eating the store, and tried to discover your genetic limits.

What's your lifting experience? Got pics? I dunno...just seems like you did some good research (Anavar is a potent, fantastic choice)....but why? What have you 'done" in your short adult-state that leads you to belive you are at the end of your potential? I'd give good MONEY to have your test...

Or is there something else medical going on?

Just askin' bro.

Thanks
 
DaveTSI said:
The fact is you will waste your time and money doing 200mg a week period. Ive been around the block, trust me, and if you want to take the advice thats your choice. Or you can do it your way and realize that you should have done it the right way the first time. See I already made the mistakes and took the wrong shit and wrong doses and fucked up PCT - post cycle therapy - years ago. Maybe you and all the newbs that come here could learn from us vets and our mistakes, thats why we are here. Its your choice to take the advice or not. Your theories sound fine on paper, but thats all it is, a theory.
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I'm with Dave on this one. And your theory on test and it's absorption in your system is a little skewed. First and foremost, is the t you're getting pharm grade? If it is, then you're good to go with lower doses, say like 200 mg/wk. But if you're buying it off the market, your 200 may be more like a 130 - 150, maybe as high as 180-185-ish. The thing is, you won't know unless you have it tested(market test). So, when someone on here recommends a dose, they're typically going on standard protocol, ie what's generally done, and been proven effective. Also, if you're worried about gyno, then get your AI's and anti-e's before you start. I mean, shit or get off the pot. Have everything ready before you go on, then you won't need to worry about it. Personally, if I were you, for my first cycle, I'd hit a mild test cyp cycle(400 - 500 mg /wk- market grade, less for pharm), for about 10 weeks, then hit your pct. then go get bloodwork to see how you're doing. this will give you some experience in the game, and will be less expensive than anavar. jus my 2 bro, hope this helps.
 
Thanks BSDgeek :)....great advice. I must admit, I overlooked the point you made about difference between pharma grade and off the market gear in those terms. It is likely to be British Dragon (legit BD) or CLP test.

2raptors:

The mild gyno certainly wasn't anything drug related. I think it was just a natural accurance. Nothing servere. I've got no medical problems nor have taken recreation drugs before...so it must have just been down to a flux in hormones or something, can't really say for sure?

I understand where you are coming from, which is exactly the reason why I don't want to go with a heavy cycle. I really just want something to boost my strength and recovery. Anavar seemed like a much better choice than prohormones and seems like a good choice for various reasons as I've already outlined in the previous posts.

I've been lifting since I was about 19, so 3 - 4 years total (probably 3 years seriously). Started at around 155lbs @ 5ft 6 1/2. Bulked up to 167lbs in my first year of lifting, ate like a horse. Bodyfat was around 15 - 16% at that time. Cut back to 161lbs as I felt I was getting too fat...lol. Then over the last few years I've got upto 174lbs with a current bodyfat ratio of 13% which was mainly due to revising my diet.

My long term goal is to hopefully reach a bodyweight of around 180lbs - 185lbs with bodyfat levels in the single digits (so probably need to bulk upto 190lbs to achieve that). I don't aim to get super big as I don't believe this is best for my frame and would ultimately ruin my physique.

Maybe you are right, I probably haven't reached my genetic/natural potential...I really don't know. But I definately seem to be having a harder time these days. Training has becoming a little stagnant...progress has been much slower. Obviously it all takes time and you have to be patient. But I am just hoping to get that little extra "kick" which would allow me to a little train harder and recover better.
I really don't think 185lbs ripped @ 5ft 6 1/2 is within my genetic potential naturally.

I hope that answers your questions :) and thanks for the advice.
 
Hey bro TEST P AND VAR Is a great first cycle

but if youre trying to put on SIZE you should go with dbol

but VAR and TEST P is a great route IMO as well

1-8 test p 300mg ew ( M W F )
1-8 var 50-80mg ed
 
Thanks bro,

I know alot of guys love Dbol...but I don't wanna touch this because of the hair issues.

The whole reason for me going with Var and low dose test (with finastride) was because I want to minimize the risk of side effects.

:)
 
Just curious why a guy with 1,355 posts is asking these questions, and he seems to have as much knowledge as the people that are helping him if you read between the lines?
 
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