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Finer points of Fina#2

barbell265

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Sup' Bro's, welcome back to part two where we will cover the actual conversion of pellets to usable tren.

First lets do an inventory check; Graded pipette, 2-flasks/beaker, 2- vial to hold you finished tren,funnel, coffee filter, sterile oil, mixing stick, meat thermometer, methanol/B.A., gloves, isopropyl alcohol, and most important your fina carts.

Now lets go over the math for your concentration. Very simple...# of grams (divided by) # of mililiters of oil= concentration. We want to make our shots 0.5 cc each or 1/2 an ml, just so were not pushing a full ml every day or eod however you are doing it. So 1-cart= 2000mg of tren (divided by) 13ml = 153.84 mg/ml or 76.9 mg/0.5ml. This will only give you 26 days at 76 mg/ed, but it's just a working example, plug in your own numbers.

Now, put all your pellets into a flask and add 5ml BA or methanol,(for critics, no I am not including this volume in the factor for final concentration), this is the working volume for all amounts of pellets, for 2-4 grams 3 ml may suffice,and mix. While mixing warm a pot of water to 100 deg.f' to help speed up the process. When warming, only dip the flask briefly into the warm water, you don't want to get the tren too hot as it's conformation changes at 118 deg. f'. Once completely disolved add your oil, the tren will have a smooth look and no pellets will be seen. Continue to mix and warm until the tan clumps have smoothed out. Now take two coffee filters and soak in isopropyl alcohol, trim them back to fit into your funnel and allow to dry. Once dry pour your mixture into the funnel and allow to drain into the other flask. This step takes about 15-20 min. Once completely filtered clean the original funnel with isopropyl alcohol and wipe dry with a clean paper towel and repeat the process. Now that we have filtered twice you should have a brownish oil, if you used sesemee oil, place the oil into the storing vials and cap. To sterilize place a needle into the caps and bake in an oven at 200 deg. f' for ten minutes, remove and allow to cool. Do this a total of 3 times, and voila! once cooled your ready to grow!

Remember, read thru this completely a couple of times to get an idea of where your going with this. It's best to be prepared than to forget a step two steps to late, trust me I know!!

The information presented above is for entertainment purposes only, Barbell265 does not promote nor condone the use of illegal substances. Thank yew...Thank yew very much....
 
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Add methanol ... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING.

Do you wanna go fucking blind. Methanol is FUCKING TOXIC MAN .... DAMNIT .... CHANGE THIS THREAD I DONT WANNA SEE SOME NEWBIE ORDER MeOH and USE THAT INSTEAD OF BA and KILL HIMSELF.

150 mg / ml [] ... Do you want this shit to burn more than those frequent, painful urinations you have cause of chlamydia?

Goddamnit!
NFG
 
Your wrong...

I have converted four times with methanol and the volume we are talking about is negligable. 5ml diluted up to 27 ml utilized over 57-60 days... I understand your concern but your flat out wrong....even drinking methanol straight every day to catch a buzz it takes continued exposure to go blind! Ask a NYC wino
 
MSDS information....

I have pulled the manufactures MSDS sheet for methanol, S/P Methyl alcohol.

Chronic exposure,"Repeated ingestion may cause visual imparement and blindness and other systemic effects as detailed in acute ingestion. Reproductive effects have been reported in animals."

In my opinion, and remember this is ONLY my opinion, 5 ml of methanol diluted with 27 ml oil and taking 0.5 ml injections will administer 0.092 ml -or- 92 picoliters,(1 millionth of a liter), of methanol is negligible.

But to be safe you can always use Benzyl Alcohol, which I do not have an MSDS for but will look for online.
 
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O.K... but one problem..

After reading the article I can see where the author is coming from. But I disagree with some of the basic premise of his argument.

First there are no"binders" in finiplix-H pellets. Are there binders in asprin? vitamins? No, the "binders" to which he is refering is methyl cellulose, a plant byproduct. The MC is combined with the trenbolone acetate and compressed under extreme pressure,"the glue", to form desicated, compact pellets. Which can be filtered out, with practice. My first batch had some MC in the finished product but my last was pure. I atribute this to impatience on my part the first time. I rushed the filtering process.

Using gear is a slight gamble no matter how you look at it. Anadrol the most powerful AAS is a proven carcinogen and chews up hepatocytes and spits them out. Dianabol is a 17 AA compound and is hepatotoxic. Testosterone can cause hair loss and prostate cancer due to DHT. The key is chronic exposure; chronic exposure or repeated exposure over long periods of time, lead to problems. Junking out leads to problems. A smart Body builder will use moderate doses of all AAS compounds and follow good cycle common sense. Meaning, time on = time off. This allows the body to catch up and detoxify.

IMO common sense is paramount to staying healthy. Everyone should weigh the risks they face before doing anything.
 
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barbell,

I like the method, but you say that

"you don't want to get the tren too hot as it's conformation changes at 118 deg. f' "

but then for sterilizing

" To sterilize place a needle into the caps and bake in an oven at 200 deg. f' for ten minutes, remove and allow to cool. Do this a total of 3 times"

So aren't we gonna degrade the fina while sterilizing.?? Or is it cool since the sterilizing is quick compared to the initial dissolving.??

:confused:
 
Re: MSDS information....

barbell265 said:
I have pulled the manufactures MSDS sheet for methanol, S/P Methyl alcohol.

Chronic exposure,"Repeated ingestion may cause visual imparement and blindness and other systemic effects as detailed in acute ingestion. Reproductive effects have been reported in animals."

In my opinion, and remember this is ONLY my opinion, 5 ml of methanol diluted with 27 ml oil and taking 0.5 ml injections will administer 0.092 ml -or- 92 picoliters,(1 millionth of a liter), of methanol is negligible.

But to be safe you can always use Benzyl Alcohol, which I do not have an MSDS for but will look for online.

i prefer to use benzyl alcohol
 
Gambler said:
This whole thread is exactly why I just picked up some Spectro Tren.

can you also explain why you paid 5 times more then you would if you made it yourself??? not to mention not knowing what he actual concetration of your tren is
 
oil is a buffer...

Once your tren is mixed with the oil your safe up to 312 deg. f'. It acts as an insulator. The exact chemistry of this I am not sure of but I have done this several times and have grown form each cycle. My bro's who asked me to convert for them also grew, so I do know that it is safe to heat to 200 once insulated in oil. I wish I could remember the source article I read this from , sorry...:(

Also remember, when initally disolving your pellets your only "Dipping" your flask into warm water. This should be for no more than 10-15 seconds, while stirring, then remove and continue stirring. Exposure to heat prior to the addition of oil should be very brief at best. Temp is your enemy until you get the oil in there; that's why they ship with a cold pack during the summer months!
 
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Hate to disagree again, but I do..

{/QUOTE}You need to buy a heat free kit. TRUST ME! [/B][/QUOTE]

I hate to disagree with another board member, but I do. Johnboy thie temps I stated ARE safe, I know this because I have done it several times; not because I read it, or was told it would work. What about you? Were you told you had to use a heat free kit? or did you actually use heat, as I have described, and gotten nothing from it??

Even in Animals instructions he states to use warm water to speed along the conversion. Not a flame bro', a question to you.
 
EXCATLY WHY I MADE THIS POST!!

serge said:


can you also explain why you paid 5 times more then you would if you made it yourself??? not to mention not knowing what he actual concetration of your tren is

This is excatly why I made this post. I have seen on several list Tren for $180 for 20 ml at 75mg/ml. $180 for 20 days??!! Horseshit!! You can make an 8 wk cycle of 50mg/ed or a 6 wk cycle of 75mg/ed for $86.00 including shipping!!, once you have all your REUSABLE supplies!! Tell me again how it won't save money??!! The skeptics have their points, Methanol, in large repeated doses can be harmful. If you read the MSDS for benzyl alc. it also states, "Harmful if swallowed, contact with mucous membranes,(eyes,nose,throat), wash effected area immediately and seek medical attention" Use either methanol, or benzyl, just be informed on everything your putting in your body!!

Be smart and stay safe Bro's....
Barbell265....
 
Thanks for postin this thread its very informative and will help me in my future endeavour with my first time conversion.

P.S. I think I'm going to follow the advice of the original post... seeming how it is tried and true.
 
not sure if methanol is good for you.....? my bud used some test susp converted from synovex, and he was beet red the whole time (almost like hives). he does not get this from real suspension.
 
not in large amounts..

Hugh Gellatts said:
not sure if methanol is good for you.....? my bud used some test susp converted from synovex, and he was beet red the whole time (almost like hives). he does not get this from real suspension.

No, not in large amounts. A large amount being an ml or two a day. Over time this would prove to be very toxic. However, when we are talking about 3-5 ml diluted up to 27ml's or more, taken 1/2 cc at a time each day,(around 9.0 Picoliters per day, as discussed earlier), the results are IMO negligible. I have done two short fina cycles using my own converted gear and suffered no adverse effects.
 
Excellent process...

DaIronFist2 said:
Fina Conversion Instructions

Best Instructions I Have Found... Great Results!

This process is very similar to my own, introduce 3-5ml of BA as the "magic" solution and your on your way! All items shown can be found on line if you put a little effort into it. This effort up front will save you a butt load of cash in future cycles.:D
 
NFG123 said:
Add methanol ... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING.

Do you wanna go fucking blind. Methanol is FUCKING TOXIC MAN .... DAMNIT .... CHANGE THIS THREAD I DONT WANNA SEE SOME NEWBIE ORDER MeOH and USE THAT INSTEAD OF BA and KILL HIMSELF.

150 mg / ml [] ... Do you want this shit to burn more than those frequent, painful urinations you have cause of chlamydia?

Goddamnit!
NFG
The man is right. What are you, an idiot? Would you inject an "insignificant" amount of strychnine into your body? NO ONE should be injecting themselves with ANY amount of methanol.

barbell265 said:
I have pulled the manufactures MSDS sheet for methanol, S/P Methyl alcohol.

Chronic exposure,"Repeated ingestion may cause visual imparement and blindness and other systemic effects as detailed in acute ingestion. Reproductive effects have been reported in animals."

In my opinion, and remember this is ONLY my opinion, 5 ml of methanol diluted with 27 ml oil and taking 0.5 ml injections will administer 0.092 ml -or- 92 picoliters,(1 millionth of a liter), of methanol is negligible.

But to be safe you can always use Benzyl Alcohol, which I do not have an MSDS for but will look for online.
First of all, the correct units are microliters(millionths of a liter) not picoliters (trillionths of a liter). Second of all, why not use something just as easy to get a hold of and not so toxic. Like say.....ETHANOL. Go get some 95% grain alcohol from the liquor store. Look, you inject yourself with whatever you wish. It's your body. But please don't be advising people to inject something as poisonous as methanol. Especially when there is a safer alternative like grain alcohol which is just as easy to get. That's just irresponsible.

-Spidey
 
Instead of Methanol or ethanol, I can only recommend going to your local pharmacy and get yourself a skin desinfectant (don´t know any american brands, though), that´s based on 2-Propanol (isopropylic alcohol) and contains benzalkoniumchloride at 0,025 %.

Use this product to dissolve the pellets and you won´t have to bake your stuff at any stage of the process, since the benzalkoniumchloride is going to kill every vicious little creature, including any viruses and spores (those you can´t kill by heating). It is also safe to inject, it´s used in many OTC nasal sprays, and I´ve been using it for two months now in my homemade test supension with no Problemsl, no soreness and certainly no infection.

The only thing I´m not sure about is, wether 2-propanol is a good solvent for TA, but since it´s a longer chained alcohol than methanol and ethanol I expect it to be a good solvent for lipophilic substances.
 
Sigmund Roid said:
Spidey,

He will probably use ketonized or methanolated ethanol after your advice. LOL.

Kids, don't try that at home!
Good point Sigmund. He should make sure the ethanol he buys is not denatured. Denatured means they have added various toxic solvents (like methanol) to the ethanol to make it unfit for drinking. Buy the ethanol at a liquor store. That way you know it is not denatured. Everclear is the brand you want.

-Spidey
 
Sigmund Roid said:
Spidey,

He will probably use ketonized or methanolated ethanol after your advice. LOL.

Kids, don't try that at home!
Good point Sigmund. He should make sure the ethanol he buys is not denatured. Denatured means they have added various toxic solvents (like methanol) to the ethanol to make it unfit for drinking. Buy the ethanol at a liquor store. That way you know it is not denatured. Everclear is the brand you want.

-Spidey
 
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