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Female sex offenders reveal cultural double standard - For BlueTa2, et al

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2003874026_predator10.html


YEah Yeah. News Clip.... right to the issue of blues thread about female sex offenders.


It all seems so terribly familiar.



A trusted, even respected or beloved teacher is accused of having a sexual relationship with a student.

What used to shock us, but is now much too commonplace, is that the teacher is a woman.

Their names become tabloid headlines: Mary K. Letourneau, Debra Lafave, Pamela Diehl-Moore and others.

And now two more cases, both local.

Jennifer Leigh Rice, a 31-year-old former Tacoma teacher, was charged with having sex with a 10-year-old boy who had been in her fourth-grade class. The boy's father says she lavished the boy with attention until she was told not to come to their house anymore.

So she abducted the boy, police say, drove him to a highway rest stop outside Ellensburg and had sex with him. After her arrest in early August, Rice said she'd had sex with the boy four or five times, including once when she sneaked into his house as his parents slept.

Earlier this year, former Tenino math teacher Dawn Welter, 38, was charged with second-degree sexual misconduct after spending the night at a motel with a 16-year-old female student. Her lawyer explained her relationship with the student as "horseplay that became sexual."

The decadelong wave of sexual offenses committed by women — teachers in particular have exposed a cultural double standard: The public is more willing to accept the female abuser's claim that she had a "relationship" with the victim. And in cases in which the male is a teenager, the sexual abuse is more likely to be dismissed as a rite of passage. The questionable, yet overriding assumption, is that women predators are somehow different from men.

"Men are demonized, women are diagnosed. Men are beasts, but women are troubled or mentally ill," said media scholar Matthew Felling in an interview with Fox News. In fact, accounts of women sexual offenders are often more titillating than harsh. Felling calls the news coverage of young, attractive teachers involved with their students "part crime drama, part Penthouse letter."

About 25 percent of women and up to 17 percent of men say they experienced sexual abuse as children, ranging from seeing someone exposing themselves to intercourse. Boys are less likely to report abuse.

Despite the troubling news accounts, the National Education Association says schools are still among the safest places for children to be. The number of cases of sexual abuse by teachers, male and female, is less than 10 percent of all sex crimes against minors.


The current awareness of women predators began with Mary K. Letourneau, a 34-year-old elementary-school teacher and a married mother of four, who in 1996 began a sexual relationship with a 12-year-old former student, Vili Fualaau. Letourneau eventually had two children with him and served more than seven years in prison. She resumed contact with Fualaau, by then an adult, after she was released. While a male offender might have been publicly shunned, Letourneau's 2005 wedding to Fualaau was covered by "Entertainment Tonight."

Female predators' crimes are often attributed to marital problems, depression, loneliness, immaturity or self-esteem issues. Letourneau was reported to have "a loveless marriage" and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

Spiritual "relationships"

Not only do we look at female offenders differently, so do the offenders themselves. Women predators are more likely to see the abuse as a romantic relationship. Letourneau told CNN's Larry King that she and Fualaau had a "deep spiritual oneness" before they were ever sexual, and that she did not consider herself a sexual predator.

Dr. Leigh Baker, a clinical psychologist in Colorado, interviewed hundreds of male and female predators for her book "Protecting Your Children From Sexual Predators." All were incarcerated at the time, and their stories help form her theory that there are four types of predators: inadequate, narcissistic, anti-social and pedophile.

An inadequate adult (and predator) has trouble forming attachments with other adults and is most comfortable with children, she says. A narcissist loves him- or herself to the detriment of others; someone who's anti-social doesn't abide by society's rules; and a pedophile is sexually aroused by children.

While some women are pedophiles and some men do profess their love for the children they sexually abuse, women are more likely to "couch it as a relationship," according to Baker. Men are more likely to be serial pedophiles; women seek that "deep spiritual oneness" that Letourneau says she found.

The traits women predators exhibit — seeing themselves as a victim, low self-esteem, a sense of inadequacy, needing to be the center of attention, putting their own need for a connection before common sense — probably place most women predators into two of Baker's four categories.

"My suspicion is if you took a large enough number of female predators, they would fall into all four types. But, we know women are less anti-social than men, and there are fewer female pedophiles, so I think most women are narcissistic or inadequate types of predators."

There are signs of the inadequate, the narcissist and the anti-social predator in Letourneau. She formed an inappropriate bond with a 12-year old, ignoring society's mores and the well-being of her own four children.

While a mental illness may produce hypersexuality, impulsiveness and poor decision-making, such a diagnosis for a sexual predator is rare, according to Baker. They are more likely to have a personality disorder (such as a anti-social, or narcissistic) or to have been sexually abused themselves.

The "Mrs. Robinson Syndrome"

To watch NBC's "To Catch A Predator" you'd think all predators are men. The series uses decoys on the Internet to lure men hoping to hook up with underage teens. Robert Weiss, executive director and founder of the Sexual Recovery Institute in Los Angeles, who provided his expertise in one of the episodes, says sexual compulsions on the Internet are male-dominated.

But female predators are beginning to use the Internet — not in an anonymous way to find children but to stay in close touch with those they are involved with. Rice, the former Tacoma teacher, communicated online often with the 10-year-old she had sex with, according to court records.

Then there is the ultimate double standard: The wink wink, nudge nudge, of boys getting their sexual initiation from grown women.

"Society sees it as they got 'lucky' " to receive a sexual initiation from a woman, according to Dr. Keith Kaufman, chairman of the department of psychology at Portland State University. "But their brain maturation isn't complete. Boys aren't in a position to give consent to a sexual relationship. Girls see it as abusive much more quickly. Boys won't want to see themselves as a victim."

There is a prevailing sense that boys are not harmed by sexual liaisons with older women. It's called the "Mrs. Robinson Syndrome," after the character in the 1967 film "The Graduate." But Benjamin, Mrs. Robinson's target, wasn't a child; he was in his 20s, had just graduated from college and was contemplating that career in plastics.

"We tend to see the female teacher-male student relationship as less abusive and less harmful psychologically," according to Dr. Susan G. Kornstein, a psychiatrist and director of the Institute for Women's Health and the Mood Disorders Institute at Virginia Commonwealth University. "But in fact, a sexual relationship between a female teacher and a male student can be just as harmful and can have both short- and long-term consequences on the child's emotional stability and psychological and sexual development."

Boys who have sex with grown women are anything but "lucky." "It is always abuse," says Dr. Kaufman.

Rebecca Morris has been a broadcast and print journalist for 33 years. She teaches journalism at Bellevue Community College.
 
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jh1 said:
Jennifer Leigh Rice, a 31-year-old former Tacoma teacher, was charged with having sex with a 10-year-old boy who had been in her fourth-grade class. The boy's father says she lavished the boy with attention until she was told not to come to their house anymore.

So she abducted the boy, police say, drove him to a highway rest stop outside Ellensburg and had sex with him. After her arrest in early August, Rice said she'd had sex with the boy four or five times, including once when she sneaked into his house as his parents slept.

I can't even put into words just how disturbing that was to read.
 
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jh1 said:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2003874026_predator10.html


YEah Yeah. News Clip.... right to the issue of blues thread about female sex offenders.


It all seems so terribly familiar.



A trusted, even respected or beloved teacher is accused of having a sexual relationship with a student.

What used to shock us, but is now much too commonplace, is that the teacher is a woman.

Their names become tabloid headlines: Mary K. Letourneau, Debra Lafave, Pamela Diehl-Moore and others.

And now two more cases, both local.

Jennifer Leigh Rice, a 31-year-old former Tacoma teacher, was charged with having sex with a 10-year-old boy who had been in her fourth-grade class. The boy's father says she lavished the boy with attention until she was told not to come to their house anymore.

So she abducted the boy, police say, drove him to a highway rest stop outside Ellensburg and had sex with him. After her arrest in early August, Rice said she'd had sex with the boy four or five times, including once when she sneaked into his house as his parents slept.

Earlier this year, former Tenino math teacher Dawn Welter, 38, was charged with second-degree sexual misconduct after spending the night at a motel with a 16-year-old female student. Her lawyer explained her relationship with the student as "horseplay that became sexual."

The decadelong wave of sexual offenses committed by women — teachers in particular have exposed a cultural double standard: The public is more willing to accept the female abuser's claim that she had a "relationship" with the victim. And in cases in which the male is a teenager, the sexual abuse is more likely to be dismissed as a rite of passage. The questionable, yet overriding assumption, is that women predators are somehow different from men.

"Men are demonized, women are diagnosed. Men are beasts, but women are troubled or mentally ill," said media scholar Matthew Felling in an interview with Fox News. In fact, accounts of women sexual offenders are often more titillating than harsh. Felling calls the news coverage of young, attractive teachers involved with their students "part crime drama, part Penthouse letter."

About 25 percent of women and up to 17 percent of men say they experienced sexual abuse as children, ranging from seeing someone exposing themselves to intercourse. Boys are less likely to report abuse.

Despite the troubling news accounts, the National Education Association says schools are still among the safest places for children to be. The number of cases of sexual abuse by teachers, male and female, is less than 10 percent of all sex crimes against minors.


The current awareness of women predators began with Mary K. Letourneau, a 34-year-old elementary-school teacher and a married mother of four, who in 1996 began a sexual relationship with a 12-year-old former student, Vili Fualaau. Letourneau eventually had two children with him and served more than seven years in prison. She resumed contact with Fualaau, by then an adult, after she was released. While a male offender might have been publicly shunned, Letourneau's 2005 wedding to Fualaau was covered by "Entertainment Tonight."

Female predators' crimes are often attributed to marital problems, depression, loneliness, immaturity or self-esteem issues. Letourneau was reported to have "a loveless marriage" and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

Spiritual "relationships"

Not only do we look at female offenders differently, so do the offenders themselves. Women predators are more likely to see the abuse as a romantic relationship. Letourneau told CNN's Larry King that she and Fualaau had a "deep spiritual oneness" before they were ever sexual, and that she did not consider herself a sexual predator.

Dr. Leigh Baker, a clinical psychologist in Colorado, interviewed hundreds of male and female predators for her book "Protecting Your Children From Sexual Predators." All were incarcerated at the time, and their stories help form her theory that there are four types of predators: inadequate, narcissistic, anti-social and pedophile.

An inadequate adult (and predator) has trouble forming attachments with other adults and is most comfortable with children, she says. A narcissist loves him- or herself to the detriment of others; someone who's anti-social doesn't abide by society's rules; and a pedophile is sexually aroused by children.

While some women are pedophiles and some men do profess their love for the children they sexually abuse, women are more likely to "couch it as a relationship," according to Baker. Men are more likely to be serial pedophiles; women seek that "deep spiritual oneness" that Letourneau says she found.

The traits women predators exhibit — seeing themselves as a victim, low self-esteem, a sense of inadequacy, needing to be the center of attention, putting their own need for a connection before common sense — probably place most women predators into two of Baker's four categories.

"My suspicion is if you took a large enough number of female predators, they would fall into all four types. But, we know women are less anti-social than men, and there are fewer female pedophiles, so I think most women are narcissistic or inadequate types of predators."

There are signs of the inadequate, the narcissist and the anti-social predator in Letourneau. She formed an inappropriate bond with a 12-year old, ignoring society's mores and the well-being of her own four children.

While a mental illness may produce hypersexuality, impulsiveness and poor decision-making, such a diagnosis for a sexual predator is rare, according to Baker. They are more likely to have a personality disorder (such as a anti-social, or narcissistic) or to have been sexually abused themselves.

The "Mrs. Robinson Syndrome"

To watch NBC's "To Catch A Predator" you'd think all predators are men. The series uses decoys on the Internet to lure men hoping to hook up with underage teens. Robert Weiss, executive director and founder of the Sexual Recovery Institute in Los Angeles, who provided his expertise in one of the episodes, says sexual compulsions on the Internet are male-dominated.

But female predators are beginning to use the Internet — not in an anonymous way to find children but to stay in close touch with those they are involved with. Rice, the former Tacoma teacher, communicated online often with the 10-year-old she had sex with, according to court records.

Then there is the ultimate double standard: The wink wink, nudge nudge, of boys getting their sexual initiation from grown women.

"Society sees it as they got 'lucky' " to receive a sexual initiation from a woman, according to Dr. Keith Kaufman, chairman of the department of psychology at Portland State University. "But their brain maturation isn't complete. Boys aren't in a position to give consent to a sexual relationship. Girls see it as abusive much more quickly. Boys won't want to see themselves as a victim."

There is a prevailing sense that boys are not harmed by sexual liaisons with older women. It's called the "Mrs. Robinson Syndrome," after the character in the 1967 film "The Graduate." But Benjamin, Mrs. Robinson's target, wasn't a child; he was in his 20s, had just graduated from college and was contemplating that career in plastics.

"We tend to see the female teacher-male student relationship as less abusive and less harmful psychologically," according to Dr. Susan G. Kornstein, a psychiatrist and director of the Institute for Women's Health and the Mood Disorders Institute at Virginia Commonwealth University. "But in fact, a sexual relationship between a female teacher and a male student can be just as harmful and can have both short- and long-term consequences on the child's emotional stability and psychological and sexual development."

Boys who have sex with grown women are anything but "lucky." "It is always abuse," says Dr. Kaufman.

Rebecca Morris has been a broadcast and print journalist for 33 years. She teaches journalism at Bellevue Community College.


Do I even have to say it? heheheheheh
 
No one ever bothered to look for women molesters. If you look you will find and for that matter many people are teachers simply to boss people around. Some like to throw some sex into the mix.

Where was that chick when I was 14-15? I would of hit and been happy about it. From 14-23 I would have screwed about anything that looked like a women. LOL. My school had a bunch of old ladies.
 
jh1 said:
That part of the article was written by 'Captain Obvious'
I got a new theory. Women will never run the country because of other women.

Yep, I listened to some Chris Rock today.
 
I was hanging out this summer with a guy and we smoked weed in front of these decent looking girls. they flirted with us, we flirted back. i asked em their ages and they were going from 8thgrade into 9th grade. young girls acting like wimmin sluts.

one girl genuinly seemed interested in me and kept looking at me and my friend tried to be a dick and goes "you lift too much your too big", and im like "is there such thing as too big" to the girls and the one who seemed to like me looks at me and goes "no way".

the attention made me feel awsome, and so special and good looking and cool. we were gunna try and get handjobs at first.


as a 19 year old these kids woulda been illegal for me, but they looked "old enough" and certainly acted on it.

i used to laugh at all those college fags with highschool girlfriends, but "child molestation" and statutory rape are alot more delicate and complicated issues than i coulda ever thought
 
EnderJE said:
I got a new theory. Women will never run the country because of other women.

Yep, I listened to some Chris Rock today.

Where you been? I've been saying this FOR YEARS. The trouble with MOST women is that they will step over ten others to pander to .... a man.

As for the article, nothing about it shocks me or isn't something that I didn't already know.

I have always privately and publicly denounced and shown my utter disgust for ANYONE above a certain age engaging in sex with any below a certain age. When the younger party is UNQUESTIONABLY A CHILD - ie 10 years old I am even more disgusted. But what most of the board fails to realize (and I have said it over and over again) that MOST PEOPLE don't realize that children are becoming sexually active at younger and younger ages. The AMA has documented an alarming rise of STD's in the throats of children as young as the age of 10. THAT IS OLD NEWS FOR ME... WHERE HAVE YA'LL BEEN?

Any adult, male or female that sexes a CHILD (I don't care what the age of consent is, let us use our common sense) IS A DEVIANT ANIMAL THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT AWAY FROM SOCIETY.

The male board members may joke about "where were these women when I was a kid." Can you imagine how your life would be irreversibly impacted if you knocked up one of these LOONYFUCKINGTUNE broads at the tender age of 10?

NO ONE has a stronger "dislike" for sexua; predators than me.... NO ONE. Especially when we are talking about taking the innocence of a trusting child.

The rage I feel every minute of every day can not be put into words.
 
the double standard is true. why doesnt to catch a preditor have boys on that board looking to lure females in? because society looks at that as a mental disorder like they said in this article. but catchng a male preditor is a good catch in their eyes. i think its wrong either way.
 
"Then there is the ultimate double standard: The wink wink, nudge nudge, of boys getting their sexual initiation from grown women"

exactly. men are the ones who, as pre-pubescent or pubescent teens and even older males, are fantasizing about the older hot teacher. Take for instance the Van Halen song, "Hot for Teacher". It's always been thought of as cool in our society. that's part of where the double standard comes from.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Where you been? I've been saying this FOR YEARS. The trouble with MOST women is that they will step over ten others to pander to .... a man.
Sorry, I was focused on the pithy threads of others for the past few years.

<hangs head>
 
Stories like this are very disturbing. The excuses as to why men behave this way and why women behave this way may differ, but it's still a sickness.
I believe there are MANY women out there like this, but it's reported less and women are less likely to act on this impulse than men.
Women should get the same penalties as men in this situation. But like Smurfy said, young men have the "hot for teacher" fantasy, so young men are less likey to report it.
Who knows, this world is just a messed up and scary place.
 
EnderJE said:
Sorry, I was focused on the pithy threads of others for the past few years.

<hangs head>

You mean the ones where my family has been abused by my ex and the system for over 6 years now, my innocent children paying the price?

Yea, I could see how that would distract someone. Hell, I don't blame you. Takes up every second of every minute of every one of my days.
 
blueta2 said:
Stories like this are very disturbing. The excuses as to why men behave this way and why women behave this way may differ, but it's still a sickness.
I believe there are MANY women out there like this, but it's reported less and women are less likely to act on this impulse than men.
Women should get the same penalties as men in this situation. But like Smurfy said, young men have the "hot for teacher" fantasy, so young men are less likey to report it.
Who knows, this world is just a messed up and scary place.

There is also a lot of young girls that have crushes on older men. Believe me I could tell you stories of underage girls doing some wild things to flirt or get my attention.

I bet you women had crushes and flirted with older guys when you were teens.
 
all the whey said:
There is also a lot of young girls that have crushes on older men. Believe me I could tell you stories of underage girls doing some wild things to flirt or get my attention.

I bet you women had crushes and flirted with older guys when you were teens.


That isn't the point. The piont is that THE OLDER PARTY SHOULD KNOW BETTER... That is why it is *technically* a crime for a person above a certain age to engage in sexual activity with a person below a certain age.

And No, at 9 I wasn't fllirting with the filthy disgusting old sonofabitch family friend who was feeling me up while *teaching me to swim*. Neither was I flirting with the equally filthy and disgusting father-in-law to my uncle who decided it would be entertaining for him to feel me up during naptime with my cousin (his granddaughter who was like 5 or so).... even though I was a REALLY HORNY 12 year old. :rolleyes: And I sure the shit didn't WANT to have sex when I was barely 15 (was a few weeks before my birthday) with my cousin even though admittedly, I did have a hyuge crush on him because he treated me way more grown up then my younger cousins. He sure showed me what it was like to be *a big kid*..... didn't he?

None of the above mentioned shit is any different than my ex dying my daughter's hair and buying her makeup at 11. Nor asking for extra visitation time with ONLY her at 12. Nor rewarding her with expensive gifts that he didn't buy the other three (even though they were close in age) whenever she accused me of abusing her between age 12/13. Gee maybe he gave her *THE BEST GIFT* when they finally were successfull in getting custody of ALL FOUR of them away from me when she was barely 14... course at that point she was quite the saucy minx by screwing any random boy that gave her the time of day..... right?

I wonder how far he would have gotten had he not tried to climb in bed with her younger sister when she was 13.

Fuck, they are still with him. Shit, can't the kids speak out?

THEY ARE - NOBODY IS LISTENING BECAUSE JUST LIKE ON ELITE THERE ARE THOSE THAT ARE COMPLETELY FIXATED ON THE RETARDED NOTION THAT "THEIR MOTHER IS A CRAZY SUCH AND SUCH" SO THE KIDS MUST BE MAKING IT UP.... A JUDGE, POLICE, SOCIAL WORKER, ETC.... THEY WOULD NEVER LIE OR ABUSE THEIR AUTHORITY!

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

YOU NEVER HEAR OF STORIES WHERE YEARS AND YEARS LATER ALL SORTS OF UPSTANDING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY GO DOWN FOR SHIT THEY DID TO KIDS.....


NEVERMIND.... all of you who think that it is EVER OK for an adult to have sex with A CHILD regardless of the sexes involved have got a few screws loose. And for those males who have openly bragged about or joked about sex with a CHILD at the age of 15 while adults yourself, you REALLY are demented.

Not saying you are bad people necessarily, but you honestly have NO IDEA what it is like to be a child who was molested/raped nor do you have any idea what it is like to HAVE A CHILD that was/is being molested/abused.... and I hope to God you NEVER do.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
That isn't the point. The piont is that THE OLDER PARTY SHOULD KNOW BETTER... That is why it is *technically* a crime for a person above a certain age to engage in sexual activity with a person below a certain age.

And No, at 9 I wasn't fllirting with the filthy disgusting old sonofabitch family friend who was feeling me up while *teaching me to swim*. Neither was I flirting with the equally filthy and disgusting father-in-law to my uncle who decided it would be entertaining for him to feel me up during naptime with my cousin (his granddaughter who was like 5 or so).... even though I was a REALLY HORNY 12 year old. :rolleyes: And I sure the shit didn't WANT to have sex when I was barely 15 (was a few weeks before my birthday) with my cousin even though admittedly, I did have a hyuge crush on him because he treated me way more grown up then my younger cousins. He sure showed me what it was like to be *a big kid*..... didn't he?

None of the above mentioned shit is any different than my ex dying my daughter's hair and buying her makeup at 11. Nor asking for extra visitation time with ONLY her at 12. Nor rewarding her with expensive gifts that he didn't buy the other three (even though they were close in age) whenever she accused me of abusing her between age 12/13. Gee maybe he gave her *THE BEST GIFT* when they finally were successfull in getting custody of ALL FOUR of them away from me when she was barely 14... course at that point she was quite the saucy minx by screwing any random boy that gave her the time of day.

I wonder how far he would have gotten had he not tried to climb in bed with her younger sister when she was 13.

Fuck, they are still with him. Shit, can't the kids speak out?

THEY ARE - NOBODY IS LISTENING BECAUSE JUST LIKE ON ELITE THERE ARE THOSE THAT ARE COMPLETELY FIXATED ON THE RETARDED NOTION THAT "THEIR MOTHER IS A CRAZY SUCH AND SUCH" SO THE KIDS MUST BE MAKING IT UP.... A JUDGE, POLICE, SOCIAL WORKER, ETC.... THEY WOULD NEVER LIE OR ABUSE THEIR AUTHORITY!

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

YOU NEVER HEAR OF STORIES WHERE YEARS AND YEARS LATER ALL SORTS OF UPSTANDING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY GO DOWN FOR SHIT THEY DID TO KIDS.....


NEVERMIND.... all of you who think that it is EVER OK for an adult to have sex with A CHILD regardless of the sexes involved have got a few screws loose. And for those males who have openly bragged about or joked about sex with a CHILD at the age of 15 while adults yourself, you REALLY are demented.

Not saying you are bad people necessarily, but you honestly have NO IDEA what it is like to be a child who was molested/raped nor do you have any idea what it is like to HAVE A CHILD that was/is being molested/abused.... and I hope to God you NEVER do.

I was just saying girls flirt with older guys like guys have crushes on older women.

I never said it was ok. I didn't even want to type what younger girls have done to me to get my attention, because I didn't want to get you going.

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I am pissed. Teachers never molested me when I was younger. Nuns just beat the shit out of me with the ruler mostly.
 
all the whey said:
I was just saying girls flirt with older guys like guys have crushes on older women.

I never said it was ok. I didn't even want to type what younger girls have done to me to get my attention, because I didn't want to get you going.

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I wasn't only speaking to you.

See the difference between you and a disgusting low life criminal bastard is how YOU REACTED to these girls' improper behavior.

Sexual power for a female can be intoxicating, admittedly because most men are ruled by their drives. HOWEVER, when this *power* is wielded by a woman-child it can only lead to her demise. She may be in a woman's body *technically* but still has the mind/emotions/capabilities of A CHILD. That is why any MAN would do best to avoid such advances. It annoys THE SHIT out of me when a young male board member tries to argue this point with me. They have NO CLUE how damaging THEIR RE-ACTIONS can be to a woman-child who is so damaged that she thinks that her only value is between her legs.

Men are more predatory then women. That is why the adult female sex offendors are seen differently by some.

In my eyes they are all scum. I judge the women more harshly because THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER, but as facts prove out, they don't always do that..... do they?
 
all the whey said:
I was just saying girls flirt with older guys like guys have crushes on older women.

I never said it was ok. I didn't even want to type what younger girls have done to me to get my attention, because I didn't want to get you going.

And there's a rock and roll song about that, too, by The Police, "Don't Stand So Close to Me."

The problem is that teens just have no idea. Girls in particular are guilty of testing out their sexuality. It's like they've got this shiny new toy and they never miss a chance to trot it out.

That doesn't excuse the adults, it's just an observation, it's actually part of the process, psychologically.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
I wasn't only speaking to you.

See the difference between you and a disgusting low life criminal bastard is how YOU REACTED to these girls' improper behavior.

Sexual power for a female can be intoxicating, admittedly because most men are ruled by their drives. HOWEVER, when this *power* is wielded by a woman-child it can only lead to her demise. She may be in a woman's body *technically* but still has the mind/emotions/capabilities of A CHILD. That is why any MAN would do best to avoid such advances. It annoys THE SHIT out of me when a young male board member tries to argue this point with me. They have NO CLUE how damaging THEIR RE-ACTIONS can be to a woman-child who is so damaged that she thinks that her only value is between her legs.

Men are more predatory then women. That is why the adult female sex offendors are seen differently by some.

In my eyes they are all scum. I judge the women more harshly because THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER, but as facts prove out, they don't always do that..... do they?

Most guys are just joking about it. I doubt the guys that do that would admit it.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
She may be in a woman's body *technically* but still has the mind/emotions/capabilities of A CHILD. That is why any MAN would do best to avoid such advances.

I thought this was the case for women of any age??????
 
all the whey said:
Most guys are just joking about it. I doubt the guys that do that would admit it.

I understand that, but I wonder if MOST GUYS would joke about fucking their own mothers... To many something like that is THAT disgusting, something you just don't joke about.

I know you dont have children. But think for a moment if you had a 14 year old sister, wouldn't you be offended if your buds joked about bending her over and giving it to her good?

I honestly believe that MOST YOUNG MEN are clueless as to just how disgusting that is because they are male and our minds work differently. Two young kids fumbling around in the dark exploring their sexuality is one thing. That is normal and natural part of growing up. But for AN ADULT to RE-ACT to the advances of a CHILD (and yes 14/15 is STILL a child... depending on the age of the older party even 16/17 is still technically waaaaaaaay too impressionable and inexperienced for the younger party to be a FULLY consenting party to a coupling).... THAT IS PLAIN WRONG and I wish that more young men would *get this*.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
I understand that, but I wonder if MOST GUYS would joke about fucking their own mothers... To many something like that is THAT disgusting, something you just don't joke about.

I know you dont have children. But think for a moment if you had a 14 year old sister, wouldn't you be offended if your buds joked about bending her over and giving it to her good?

I honestly believe that MOST YOUNG MEN are clueless as to just how disgusting that is because they are male and our minds work differently. Two young kids fumbling around in the dark exploring their sexuality is one thing. That is normal and natural part of growing up. But for AN ADULT to RE-ACT to the advances of a CHILD (and yes 14/15 is STILL a child... depending on the age of the older party even 16/17 is still technically waaaaaaaay too impressionable and inexperienced for the younger party to be a FULLY consenting party to a coupling).... THAT IS PLAIN WRONG and I wish that more young men would *get this*.

How about 17 1/2?
 
all the whey said:
How about 17 1/2?

Depends on the age of the older party. If he/she is 21 then we are splitting hairs. If he/she is in his/her 30's then the older party is mentally/emotionally challenged if he/she doesn't *get it* that he/she should be satisfied that this young hot chick/dewd digs him/her and for him/her to act is really a poor reflection on HIM/HER.

And you quit splitting hairs.... you know damned well what I am talking about. :)
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Depends on the age of the older party. If he/she is 21 then we are splitting hairs. If he/she is in his/her 30's then the older party is mentally/emotionally challenged if he/she doesn't *get it* that he/she should be satisfied that this young hot chick/dewd digs him/her and for him/her to act is really a poor reflection on HIM/HER.

And you quit splitting hairs.... you know damned well what I am talking about. :)

How about 17 and 3 months?
 
billfred said:
I am pissed. Teachers never molested me when I was younger. Nuns just beat the shit out of me with the ruler mostly.

Take solace in the revelation that your knuckles provided gratification for at least one party. :evil:
 
damn 10 is pretty young to be knocking it out
still though, at 10 if presented with tang i woulda knocked it out
i doubt the naughty teach had to force him to do it and that's why the double standard exists.
seems like most man to girl molestors have you use physical force and coercin
wimmen to boy molestors don't have to, the boys are down.
 
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