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FEELING Lethargic on cycle, wtf?

thatbloke

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okay current cycle

500 tren eth weekly
500 test cyp weekly
200 deca weekly
12.5mcg T3 daily
letro 1mg EOD weeks 1-4
letro .5mg EOD week 5 till now


my issues

first off im feeling realy tiered n lethargic, my whole cycle ive felt like a monster and heaps of energy, but past week my energy levels have fallen

in th gym i cant stop constantly yawning, its fukin weird, i push hard and everywhere i walk im yawning,

i feel strong,

i go to pick up 220kg shrugs, i lift it and just stand there yawning with no desire to train


this has all happened in the last week, all ove done different this week was i lowered my letro dosage from 1mg EOD, to .5mg EOD since i thought this would be a good idea not to suppress estrogen to much

the last thing ive noticed this week is ive really blown up,most of this cycle i remained looking pretty dry but for past week ive really blown up with alot of water retention has piled on ever since lowering my letro dose

so does anyone think mabe its the letro? i personaly think it might be, but i dont see how 500 test could be bloating me that much

i was also considering increasing my T3 to 20mcg to give me boosted energy, but dont really wanan since last thing i wnana do is burn more calories atm since my high calorie diets killing me

opinions?
 
It could be the tren bro which is causing the lethargy from putting so much strain in the CNS? Last time I was on tren same thing happened to me it SUCKED!
 
How far into your cycle are you? What week of the Tren?

Week 1-2 of tren and test I was gtg. week 3+ I am just lethargic. Adding in Forged Burner for fat and energy has helped.
 
Your DHEA level is completely SHUTDOWN, are you supplementing your DHEA?
 
Some weeks on cycle I just get really lethargic and find it hard to even keep my eyes open. A bunch of crap is going on in your body right now from taking all of those compounds. You are using a lot of energy, CNS is being punished, you are killing yourself in the gym everyday, your hormones/blood levels are not at normal ranges, etc. There is just so much to it. T3 at 12.5mg ED is what helps to give a lot of energy, if you go any higher it will cause you to be even more lethargic so stick with the dose you are at.
 
Well, test makes you lazy and tren makes your cardio shit...mix that up and you get a nice case of dont want to get my ass off the couch
 
Guys, you MUST be supplementing with DHEA(Dehydroepiandrosterone) while ON CYCLE!

DHEA is an essential adrenal hormone! When on cycle, your HPTA is shutdown, and you are no longer producing testosterone or DHEA.

Take 50mg in the am and 50mg in the PM!
 
Ross said:
Guys, you MUST be supplementing with DHEA(Dehydroepiandrosterone) while ON CYCLE!

DHEA is an essential adrenal hormone! When on cycle, your HPTA is shutdown, and you are no longer producing testosterone or DHEA.

Take 50mg in the am and 50mg in the PM!
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So you recommned doing it while on cycle as opposed to PCT?
 
the_alcatraz said:
So you recommned doing it while on cycle as opposed to PCT?
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Yes, ALL MEN ON Hormone Replacement Therapy are given DHEA.

DHEA is an essential adrenal hormone, and while on cycle, your production ceases completely, just like endogenous testosterone. You MUST use DHEA while on cycle, not only during PCT.
 
Ross said:
Yes, ALL MEN ON Hormone Replacement Therapy are given DHEA.

DHEA is an essential adrenal hormone, and while on cycle, your production ceases completely, just like endogenous testosterone. You MUST use DHEA while on cycle, not only during PCT.
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I agree with not using during PCT because it's labeled as a pro-hormone...but a lot of people argue on how effective DHEA is...

Have you tried cycling with and without it and noticed a difference?

Personally, I've never used it. Maybe I should give it a go on my time 'round.
 
Ross said:
Guys, you MUST be supplementing with DHEA(Dehydroepiandrosterone) while ON CYCLE!

DHEA is an essential adrenal hormone! When on cycle, your HPTA is shutdown, and you are no longer producing testosterone or DHEA.

Take 50mg in the am and 50mg in the PM!
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does formestane have it? that is what i'm taking now

or should i invest in dermacrine as well?
 
stevesmi said:
does formestane have it? that is what i'm taking now

or should i invest in dermacrine as well?
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Transdermal DHEA(such as Dermacrine) will increase testosterone moreso than actual DHEA levels, which is not what we want.

ORAL DHEA supplementation is superior for HRT/Cycling purposes, as less gets converted in to Testosterone and estrogen.
 
the_alcatraz said:
I agree with not using during PCT because it's labeled as a pro-hormone...but a lot of people argue on how effective DHEA is...

Have you tried cycling with and without it and noticed a difference?

Personally, I've never used it. Maybe I should give it a go on my time 'round.
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Yes, when I cycle WITHOUT DHEA, by the middle of my cycle I am very lethargic and have a decreased mood and libido. I now always use DHEA while on cycle.
 
Ross said:
Transdermal DHEA(such as Dermacrine) will increase testosterone moreso than actual DHEA levels, which is not what we want.

ORAL DHEA supplementation is superior for HRT/Cycling purposes, as less gets converted in to Testosterone and estrogen.
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nailed you with some karma also.
 
Ross said:
Yes, when I cycle WITHOUT DHEA, by the middle of my cycle I am very lethargic and have a decreased mood and libido. I now always use DHEA while on cycle.
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what products would you recommend?
 
Ross said:
Yes, when I cycle WITHOUT DHEA, by the middle of my cycle I am very lethargic and have a decreased mood and libido. I now always use DHEA while on cycle.
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Thanks for the info man. I wish I knew this a long time ago, I always get those same feelings in the middle of my cycle no matter what I use. Definitely supplementing with DHEA on my next cycle.
 
I was having the same problems till I read Ross' comments. I went out today at lunch and got me some dhea. Maybe its just psych but I felt better in about thirty minutes and had a great workout. Thanks Ross
 
Yep it is illegal here my man, although I had some 150mg caps of it once, I had 3 crazy workouts and then it was all gone, could of been placebo effect but :(
 
call me ignorant and feel free to flame me into the Canuck and Aborigini BBQ pit but how is it illegal in canada and australia yet in the US a vitamin shop sells it for like 10 bucks?

or is what i buy at the vitamin shop bullshit? or is it not real DHEA?
 
stevesmi said:
call me ignorant and feel free to flame me into the Canuck and Aborigini BBQ pit but how is it illegal in canada and australia yet in the US a vitamin shop sells it for like 10 bucks?

or is what i buy at the vitamin shop bullshit? or is it not real DHEA?
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What you have is DHEA bro, there is a VERY long list of otc supps that you guys have that are illegal here!
 
thatbloke said:
are u sure, from alot fo reading ive done DHEA hasnt really been proven to cause any promising effects, alot are theoretical based or the effects have been inconsitant

also from personal experience i was prexcribed DHEA once for ahormone issue and it did absolutaly nothing, so im not very keen on using something thats failed me once before

plus being from australia i dont think i will be able to get DHEA since its on prescription list here aswell
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There is a very good reason that all US Doctors direct their patients take DHEA, and it's because DHEA production ceases completely when ON cycle and the HPTA is shutdown.

Now, supplementing with DHEA without being ON cycle does not have tremendous benefits in most individuals, this is true. However, it is an essential adrenal hormone, and the natural bodybuilder should always optimize DHEA and Testosterone. OLDER males should also supplement with DHEA as our natural levels decline with age. It is therefore a potent anti-aging hormone, providing significant benefits in those who are deficient.
 
Ross said:
Yes, ALL MEN ON Hormone Replacement Therapy are given DHEA.

DHEA is an essential adrenal hormone, and while on cycle, your production ceases completely, just like endogenous testosterone. You MUST use DHEA while on cycle, not only during PCT.
Click to expand...

I would agree with this. I was feeling pretty lethargic by week 4/5 of my Test/EQ cycle, so I added some Dermacrine LV and I've picked up the pace some in the last week and feel much better.
 
I think tren ace is better than tren enth. That much tren building up isn't necessary. That shit is strong enough.
 
Doesnt DHEA raise your liver values over time?
I swear I've seen something saying that it did.....and it fucks up you cholesterol too
Im on HRT, no DHEA and my energy levels are just fine and so it's on cycle except when I dont sleep at night very well or I push too hard in the gym.
My suggestion is to back off trainig at the gym for few days, just take a few days off, sleep and eat good and then hit the gym again.
As for the tren it's known to affect your endurance so if it gets to be to much cut back on dosage to 400 or 300mg a week.
 
thatbloke said:
id have to disagree with that, on test only cycles up to 800mg weekly i feel like a machine and have never had energy issues alone

the tren however i wil agree my cardiovascular system fukin sucks right now, i have sex with ym gf and every 30 seconds of giving it to her hard i have to pause and try breath co i feel like im sufficating

also lately in the gym ive been finding ti hard ot breathe while doing heavy compound lifts
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In the gym you're an animal, but the more test you take, the lazier you feel during the day....and not to mention the damn test flu
 
My last (first) cycle i felt lethargic for the first few weeks on Test E but after that my energy levels seemed to rise again. I think i'll add soem DHEA to this next cycle. since It's really legal here :D
 
hhmm. interested in the DHEA. Ive hear alot of contracersial things about it as well. Always heard it converts more to estro than test. Im on HRT and would like any boost in energy i can get. Im a caffiene addict right now. Id like to be able to lay off with out having to take a nap every ten minutes haha,
 
thatbloke said:
okay current cycle

500 tren eth weekly
500 test cyp weekly
200 deca weekly
12.5mcg T3 daily
letro 1mg EOD weeks 1-4
letro .5mg EOD week 5 till now


my issues

first off im feeling realy tiered n lethargic, my whole cycle ive felt like a monster and heaps of energy, but past week my energy levels have fallen

in th gym i cant stop constantly yawning, its fukin weird, i push hard and everywhere i walk im yawning,

i feel strong,

i go to pick up 220kg shrugs, i lift it and just stand there yawning with no desire to train


this has all happened in the last week, all ove done different this week was i lowered my letro dosage from 1mg EOD, to .5mg EOD since i thought this would be a good idea not to suppress estrogen to much

the last thing ive noticed this week is ive really blown up,most of this cycle i remained looking pretty dry but for past week ive really blown up with alot of water retention has piled on ever since lowering my letro dose

so does anyone think mabe its the letro? i personaly think it might be, but i dont see how 500 test could be bloating me that much

i was also considering increasing my T3 to 20mcg to give me boosted energy, but dont really wanan since last thing i wnana do is burn more calories atm since my high calorie diets killing me

opinions?
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Hey man..
Didnt take time to read what everyone wrote or anything you wrote past your initial post, but, are you over training? Is your body fucked because your constantly cruising and never give it a chance to recover?

Remember we also have exams at the moment which fucking sucks and stresses you out!

I dont understand why people persist with Tren if it gives them sides! isnt test enough! you say your already way past your genetic potential, why not drop the tren!!!'


just my $0.2

catch ya soon
 
thatbloke said:
okay current cycle

500 tren eth weekly
500 test cyp weekly
200 deca weekly
12.5mcg T3 daily
letro 1mg EOD weeks 1-4
letro .5mg EOD week 5 till now


my issues

first off im feeling realy tiered n lethargic, my whole cycle ive felt like a monster and heaps of energy, but past week my energy levels have fallen

in th gym i cant stop constantly yawning, its fukin weird, i push hard and everywhere i walk im yawning,

i feel strong,

i go to pick up 220kg shrugs, i lift it and just stand there yawning with no desire to train


this has all happened in the last week, all ove done different this week was i lowered my letro dosage from 1mg EOD, to .5mg EOD since i thought this would be a good idea not to suppress estrogen to much

the last thing ive noticed this week is ive really blown up,most of this cycle i remained looking pretty dry but for past week ive really blown up with alot of water retention has piled on ever since lowering my letro dose

so does anyone think mabe its the letro? i personaly think it might be, but i dont see how 500 test could be bloating me that much

i was also considering increasing my T3 to 20mcg to give me boosted energy, but dont really wanan since last thing i wnana do is burn more calories atm since my high calorie diets killing me

opinions?
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not enough cals is your problem bro. Up your cals " carbs" and you will feel fine again.
 
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