Feeling EQ immediately?

[lucabrasi]

I know EQ is suppose to take about 4 weeks or so to kick in but is it possible to feel the effects sooner?

I just started this week and I'm already putting up more weight (not much) and have a ton of energy in the gym.

It could be just a mental placebo effect thing but I was wondering if anyone here has ever felt EQ within the first couple of weeks?

I did 800mgs.

Thanks.

 

[Clean]

It's mental, unless your gear is something else.

keep lifting hard

 

[dark side]

Its very possible you could be feeling some mild effects. However, if you want to feel them right away, esterless EQ is the best there is.

DarkSide

 

[boyer]

Is their esterless Eq? I have heard of boldprop?

 

[muscleup]

yeah and it's painful as shit

 

[jrlex]

Yeah I'd like to know when EQ is going to start kicking in..

 

[VeniceMscl]

i gotta say i did feel some minor changes in the first few weeks of 600mg Eq with 75mg tre eod. Mostly it was an increase in appetite. The real strength gains didn't come until week 7 or so.

 

[a-bomb5083]

eq doesn't kick in until about week 6-7, thats why its best to run it at least 14-16 weeks.

 

[lucabrasi]

i gotta say i did feel some minor changes in the first few weeks of 600mg Eq with 75mg tre eod. Mostly it was an increase in appetite. The real strength gains didn't come until week 7 or so.

How were your strength gains?

 

[doublebicep]

After week 5...most pronounced after week 7. IMO

 

[nutsnack]

M-E-N-T-A-L

but who cares if ure strength is going up?

 

[VeniceMscl]

How were your strength gains?

Pretty awesome. I would say I'm getting 8-9 more reps out at max weight overall. So thats like an extra one or two on each of my heavy sets. The strength is really core, so it feels incredible. I'm not just doing everything I can to heave the weight up there. Its with good form, with a good pump and full range of motion. I was planning a 10 week Eq cycle, but since my gains in strength are really just starting, I'm going to extend it to 15 weeks.

 

[dark side]

Yes there is an esterless. Alpha Omega makes a product called B-50 which is 50 mg’s per ml, 15 ml’s of 50 mg’s Boldenone, esterless. When mixed with a test prop with suspension or just prop, I have never heard anyone say that it is painful.

DarkSide

 

[UFC22]

That would be cool to jumpstart an Eq cycle using B-50. I'm on week 2 of my Eq cycle and can't wait for it to kick!

 

[dark side]

Yes, that is exactly it. I see people start their first 3 weeks using the B-50, and at the same time using the B-300 (300mg/ml EQ). Then after 3 weeks, the B-300 starts kicking in and they drop the B-50.

DarkSide

 

[Dirty V]

I run EQ every spring/summer by itself around 400-600mgs and it does not take 6-7 weeks to kick in for me, I feel it in 2-3 weeks; everyone reacts differently. I agree it continues to get better weeks 4-8. If you are a novice or dont cycle but ounce or twice a year your receptors will respond quicker. Lucabrasi you will know that it is working from the extreme pumps you will get, those can not be mistaken for placebo.

 

[LVTitan]

my eq is on the way as we speak. got 3 bottles of syrus 200mg/ml.
will be doing 400mg week for 15 weeks. along with probably some more primo at 400mg's week.
it will be a summer long cylce !!

 

[tank17]

I'm on my 4th week of eq and cyp and i have just started to see slight strenght gains probally due to the cyp, but my appetite has also increased. i'm really looking forward to the eq kickin in i'm gonna run it for about 15 weeks.

 

[CRsteve]

Ok, I'm on the last day of the 3rd week of my EQ cycle, so pretty much at week 4. I've been patiently waiting for the gains to kick in, and by reading, I haven't expected them until week 6 or 7. But, I went into the gym today just like normal. It was upper body day, so I got on the bench and I felt a slight bit stronger today. It ended up being stronger through all my lifts throughout the day. Needless to say, the strength seems to be kicking in for me at about week 4 (I don't think it's placebo because my mind has never really been able to fool me, except for adrenaline). I'm happy, 1 more week and here comes winny to be thrown on top.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

What the hell are some of you talking about! Whoever tells you Eq takes 4-7 weeks to kick in is very uneducated. If it was up to me i would ban them from this board! You should dismiss all other advice such a person gives you and take them for a fool. It pisses me off when people shoot their mouths off and dont have a clue in the world.

Eq starts to work within minutes of a shot. The dosages gradualy increase in the system. If you frontload 800 as i do, you should be feeling it within a day or so if not sooner. For people that have no clue...shut up and dont post idiotic advice you took out of your ass! Eq has a half life of 14 days...that means that by day 14 half of the 800 Mgs should be in your system. Do the damn math! 4-6 Weeks? How can a person honestly give someone such advice as this. People come to this board to learn. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW DONT GIVE ADVICE!

 

[UFC22]

I'm front-loading at 1000-1000-800 then dropping to a baseline of 600mgs so i hope it starts kicking around the 4th-5th week!

 

[PolfaJelfa]

EDUCATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oral steroids Drug Active half-life
Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
Anavar (oxandrolone) 9 hours
Dianabol (methandrostenolone, methandienone) 4.5 to 6 hours
Methyltestosterone 4 days
Winstrol (stanozolol)
(tablets or depot taken orally) 9 hours



Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 15 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
* Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day


*Winstrol depot does not actually possess a classical half-life because it is un-esterified. Instead, the microcrystals dissolve slowly. Once they have all dissolved levels of the drug fall very rapidly. It is still an important consideration, and we have included it with a half-life of one day.


Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days



Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
Ephedrine 6 hours
T3 10 hours

 

[Clean]

Polfa you are one of the most immature MODS here, the guy stated he JUST STARTED THIS WEEK, you yourself said in your post that by DAY 14 HALF would be in your system. Having taken EQ myself, and NOT NOTICING ANYTHING for a FEW WEEKS, I felt I could give advice on the subject, and apparently everyone else did also!

Maybe he would be feeling A LITTLE, but to increase his strength by that much in the first week, you've got to be kidding me!

Stop being such a fucking baby and go give red to someone else!

Edit: Oh and I never gave a timeline on when it should kick in, but not in the first week! Go read some posts of other people that HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN EQ!

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Learn how to read! BY DAY 14 half would remain in system due to the fact that half of it would be out! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. I will not stand around and watch you give other members bad advice! WHAT THAT MEANS IS BY DAY 7 all of it would be in the system just about! Too hard to understand?

 

[Clean]

Have you ever even taken EQ???

 

[Clean]

And do you understand, that EVERY PERSON IS DIFFERENT!? Apparently all you are going by is the data you regurgitate.

Edit: And as for my 2500 posts, I think I have been here long enough and read enough threads on EQ and each persons experience that I can make an educated guess as to what he may be feeling.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Gains are another story.....1 can have gains the first week because i train properly..and the Eq is all in the system...Gains come from Eating, Sleaping and Training.

It is not hard for me to immagine why many people experience gains very late on if ever. They dont know anything about bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is not just drugs!

 

[Clean]

Well thanks for those words of wisdom!

I would think that steroids would be something added last after diet, training, etc... SO, if someone has had a solid diet and training and THEN adds steroids, I think he can then make a judgement on whether the EQ is kicking in at a certain time.

I know some people change their diet when they get on gear, but others have variables and sometimes diet remains the same regardless of adding juice, and these people can say when they feel the steroid.

AND, if he did change his diet because of adding the EQ, then his gains are attributed to his DIET and not the drug!

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Have i ever taken Eq....thats pretty funny.....read thru some of my posts ....i have been on this board since 2001.

I dont understand why some people simply can not say " i was wrong" next time i will not give advice from my ass.

I will not argue with you.
The facts are be4 you weather you choose to burry your head in the sand is another question altogether.

Results are diferent because of diferent gear( people often have underdosed or fake gear) and they dont train alike, plus each body is diferent. But the word "kick in" refers to the drugs being in the system and working. Not towards results. Active drugs in system and results are 2 seperate things. We were talking about when the drugs will fully manifest themselves in the system. Thats it. At day 7 you have the pottential to fully utilize the drug. Weather you do so or not is your choice.

 

[Clean]

And I was talking about what to attribute his sudden gains to. Is it because of the steroid being in system at day 7, or because of changes in diet, as stated in post #27? I don't think anyone can make that call.

 

[Clean]

And as far as his steroid "kicking in," there are too many other variables like sleep, diet, training, that we can say caused his strength gains. Just as you mentioned earlier, I was just stating that it is most likely not due to the EQ. Seriously, how many people have had gains in the first week of EQ? Is everyone taking underdosed gear or not being on track with diet?

 

[maldorf]

And as far as his steroid "kicking in," there are too many other variables like sleep, diet, training, that we can say caused his strength gains. Just as you mentioned earlier, I was just stating that it is most likely not due to the EQ. Seriously, how many people have had gains in the first week of EQ? Is everyone taking underdosed gear or not being on track with diet?

I usually make gains by the beginning of the second week. This 6-7 week time frame is a bunch of bunk. I just took a shot on monday and today is wednesday and I already feel some of the effects.

 

[CRsteve]

My post meant this: I understand it starts "working" immediately, but I haven't felt the results (in strength) in any substantial manner until this week. My size is doing just what I want it to do, but I'm also eating and lifting very strict.

 

[Popeye1]

What the hell are some of you talking about! Whoever tells you Eq takes 4-7 weeks to kick in is very uneducated. If it was up to me i would ban them from this board! You should dismiss all other advice such a person gives you and take them for a fool. It pisses me off when people shoot their mouths off and dont have a clue in the world.

Eq starts to work within minutes of a shot. The dosages gradualy increase in the system. If you frontload 800 as i do, you should be feeling it within a day or so if not sooner. For people that have no clue...shut up and dont post idiotic advice you took out of your ass! Eq has a half life of 14 days...that means that by day 14 half of the 800 Mgs should be in your system. Do the damn math! 4-6 Weeks? How can a person honestly give someone such advice as this. People come to this board to learn. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW DONT GIVE ADVICE!

This is good advice! True, everyone is different, but, like the man said....frontload and do the math. It will build the serum levels much more quickly and you will feel it much sooner.

 

[sparetire]

some people are in competition with division to be the biggest jack ass (and big mouth) on the board (polfa).

Not everyone runs eq the same as you polfa. Some like for it to kick in slowly and some like to front load. Some people's chemistry is different, therefore, they react differently to the gear. Take some advice and chill out dude. You sound like your roid raging while you're belittling everyone here. I'm glad you can copy and paste your facts, but if you knew anything about gear, you'd know that everyone's experiences with it are different. We're not all perfect like you..

 

[MrRTTB]

I always feel and see the effects from EQ in about 1½-2 weeks from first injection. What I notice is that the water around the midsection is reduced and the bodyheat increases slightly. The real effects is noticed in week 4½-5, and in week 6 and 7 it has it's top. As far as frontloading I beleeve this is overrated, I've tried fronting with 1.5g and it didn't make any difference from when I use 200mg every 3 day.

 

[drummadness]

I feel eq within a week. As far as strength gains? Your just not going to make huge strength gains with eq only.

 

[lucabrasi]

Thanks for all the advice. I think you guys all have valid points. For one, I have changed up my diet and have been more strict over the past few weeks which is definitely helping me. But this morning I know I felt the EQ. I did squats and my legs were pumped to shit and I was doing a little more weight with a extra few reps. Not to mention I was hot as hell, sweating like a pig. This is my first EQ cycle so I could be responding to it very well. I think I'm gonna like this one. Winny's getting thrown in there in a month or so. Can't fucking wait.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

some people are in competition with division to be the biggest jack ass (and big mouth) on the board (polfa).

Not everyone runs eq the same as you polfa. Some like for it to kick in slowly and some like to front load. Some people's chemistry is different, therefore, they react differently to the gear. Take some advice and chill out dude. You sound like your roid raging while you're belittling everyone here. I'm glad you can copy and paste your facts, but if you knew anything about gear, you'd know that everyone's experiences with it are different. We're not all perfect like you..

Im glad that you feel telling the truth and not going along with bad advice so as to offer proper advice to beginers is being a jackass. If trying to properly educate someone on the proper techniqyes, and strategies is being a jackass and offering him INCORECT advice is not....then i am a JACKASS!

You seem to still not be able to understand it. "Some people dont run EQ like me" Fine....sat lets say for example that you run only 400 mg strait thru 8 weeks ....STILL BY WEEK 1 THE 400 MGS WILL FULLY KICK IN. EQ IS FAST ACTING! YOU NEED TO TAKE EQ OPTIMALLY at LEAST 2x a WEEK. WHY? BECAUSE ITS FAST ACTING. AND NO I AM FAR FROM PERFECT , I WASNT IMPLYING THAT.

What realy pisses me off, is that you take offense to me CORRECTING bad advice. I AM A MODERATOR HERE. IF i see WRONG advice i will ALWAYS be the first to jump in and say so. Weather someone calls me a jackass or worse does not matter. If i can save some kid from making mistakes that in some cases may even me harmfull to him its all worth it.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

And if you are a homosapien there is no way you may react diferently to it. What i mean is if you have 400 mgs in your system by day 7 its fully kicked in. By day 14 only half is left. Weather it is my body, Arnold, Ronie COleman, FLex Wheeler, or my workout partner!
Its pretty funny when newbies or people that dont know what they are talking about try to tell me that Eq is long acting. ITS SHORT ACTING. Notice how profesional bodybuilders take it ED or EOD or EOOD.....Why because they want to maintain stable blood levels.

 

[Clean]

Well, knowing that EQ would be in my system by the end of the first week, let's take my EQ experience. I did 200mg every monday and thursday. I did not feel like it was "kicking in" until around week 3. Maybe it was just my body, maybe my diet and training weren't perfect, but I thought I had it down. So, why wouldn't I have felt it sooner? I think when the original guy asked if he could be feeling the effects of EQ sooner than the 4-6week period as he heard prior then I immediately thought about my experience, and several others experiences for that matter. Besides the FACT which you stated about it being fully in your system by the end of the first week, MOST people don't feel results until later.

I am not arguing that it won't be in your system at that time, but that his strength gains were most likely not attributed to it, as he even said he changed his diet, etc...

I think others that say they didn't feel the effects until week 3 or whenever know that it is in their system, but it's effects aren't as strong as say dbol, giving the user immediate and more pronounced strength gains, even though you CAN take full advantage of EQ at this time.

Yes, you are right in your facts, that is not the question. I think we were thinking of different things when we both read the post and saw replies.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

I agree, glad we could have a constructive conversation about this.
P/j

 

[sparetire]

STILL BY WEEK 1 THE 400 MGS WILL FULLY KICK IN. EQ IS FAST ACTING! YOU NEED TO TAKE EQ OPTIMALLY at LEAST 2x a WEEK. WHY? BECAUSE ITS FAST ACTING. AND NO I AM FAR FROM PERFECT , I WASNT IMPLYING THAT.

What realy pisses me off, is that you take offense to me CORRECTING bad advice. I AM A MODERATOR HERE. IF i see WRONG advice i will ALWAYS be the first to jump in and say so. Weather someone calls me a jackass or worse does not matter. If i can save some kid from making mistakes that in some cases may even me harmfull to him its all worth it.

Um..eq is not fast acting. I don't know where you get your facts on this, but eq with it's esters take a while to really take off in your system. Sure, it's IN your system, but you won't feel any strength gains for a few weeks or more depending on how you run it. I understand once you plunge the syringe into your body, the substance is IN your system and starts to act and change, but by no means will anyone see or feel anything for atleast a few weeks. You say you do, maybe because you are more of a veteran with it and can feel the mild effects, but most users won't. I know when I run it at the normal mgs per week (400mg), I feel a change in my body, a little surge of energy, etc, but no strength for several weeks. The only fast acting eq that I have used is BP and I felt that in less than a week and saw changes in less than a week.

It's not so much that you are a jackass, it's the way you come across to people in your messages, almost like if you're yelling at them etc. You say you want to help out others so that they don't make a mistake, but what if this kid never used anything before and he doesn't know how it will react in his system and he wants to take it slow and see the reactions that may or may not react. So probably for him running it 1 time a week could be best for him. Besides, doing a shot every 7 days won't effect the blood levels when it comes to eq. EQ is active in your system for up to 16 days. I remember my first cycle, I did my last injection and I was still gaining strength in the gym for almost 3 weeks before the eq wore off.

 

[LVTitan]

What the hell are some of you talking about! Whoever tells you Eq takes 4-7 weeks to kick in is very uneducated. If it was up to me i would ban them from this board! You should dismiss all other advice such a person gives you and take them for a fool. It pisses me off when people shoot their mouths off and dont have a clue in the world.

Eq starts to work within minutes of a shot. The dosages gradualy increase in the system. If you frontload 800 as i do, you should be feeling it within a day or so if not sooner. For people that have no clue...shut up and dont post idiotic advice you took out of your ass! Eq has a half life of 14 days...that means that by day 14 half of the 800 Mgs should be in your system. Do the damn math! 4-6 Weeks? How can a person honestly give someone such advice as this. People come to this board to learn. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW DONT GIVE ADVICE!

whoa there tiger, the thing with eq from everyone i know that has taken it, is that you dont 'really feel the effects of it working' for at least a month. some of my friends dont start to notice the gains until around the 9th week !!
that's not to say it's not in your system, but EQ does take a long time to start working ..
i dont know from experience personally yet, i am starting my eq cycle next monday though

 

[LVTitan]

And if you are a homosapien there is no way you may react diferently to it. What i mean is if you have 400 mgs in your system by day 7 its fully kicked in. By day 14 only half is left. Weather it is my body, Arnold, Ronie COleman, FLex Wheeler, or my workout partner!
Its pretty funny when newbies or people that dont know what they are talking about try to tell me that Eq is long acting. ITS SHORT ACTING. Notice how profesional bodybuilders take it ED or EOD or EOOD.....Why because they want to maintain stable blood levels.

hate to disagree polfa, but eq (boldenone undecyc..) is one of the longer acting esters, even longer than deca. how can you say it is fast acting ?
a 2 week half life is long in my book, and everyone else's that i know of.
but yes, i will be taking it 2x week for even blood levels.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Guys im not talking about strenght gains....sometimes gains may take more than a month or three to max out....this is due to muscle expansion and mostly the nervous system....your system needs to adapt and get stronger. And Lv...bro Eq is not longer than deca...Eq is 14 days... Deca is 15.... Anyways i agree i misworded my coment "Eq is fast acting" Technically its halflife is rather long. But in my book everything is fast acting. If the gear is fully active in your body in 7 days i consider that fast. I never use any gears that are short acting anymore. To me its a waste of a poke, a pin, time, alcohol, vials, and scar-tisue.

Ill tell you guys a story.....i have tested out EQ, Deca, and Test all seperately on my system when i was shut down. I was shut down....then ran each seperatelly.....and made notes on when i started to feel what...and how my muscles reacted. When you have 0 mg of test in your system....you can feel Test Enthanate, and EQ, As well as Deca within hours of taking the shot. Your muscles start to automaticaly get harder etc. And you can get it up within a few hours . The reason the effect is so pronounced is that you are coming back from a 0 mg shut down state. Even if you have 30 mgs in your system after a few hours believe me you feel it.

 

[LVTitan]

Guys im not talking about strenght gains....sometimes gains may take more than a month or three to max out....this is due to muscle expansion and mostly the nervous system....your system needs to adapt and get stronger. And Lv...bro Eq is not longer than deca...Eq is 14 days... Deca is 15.... Anyways i agree i misworded my coment "Eq is fast acting" Technically its halflife is rather long. But in my book everything is fast acting. If the gear is fully active in your body in 7 days i consider that fast. I never use any gears that are short acting anymore. To me its a waste of a poke, a pin, time, alcohol, vials, and scar-tisue.

Ill tell you guys a story.....i have tested out EQ, Deca, and Test all seperately on my system when i was shut down. I was shut down....then ran each seperatelly.....and made notes on when i started to feel what...and how my muscles reacted. When you have 0 mg of test in your system....you can feel Test Enthanate, and EQ, As well as Deca within hours of taking the shot. Your muscles start to automaticaly get harder etc. And you can get it up within a few hours . The reason the effect is so pronounced is that you are coming back from a 0 mg shut down state. Even if you have 30 mgs in your system after a few hours believe me you feel it.

glad we got that straight.. i was under the impression deca was like 13.5 days halflife. well i am shutdown i'm sure cause i been on primo/test for 6 weeks, been off only 2 weeks, gonna start the eq run next week so i'll let ya know how it 'feels'

 

[nutsnack]

did you go down and red everyone that posted in this post? you said i gave bad advice, i dont recall giving any advice on eq i simply asked who cares if strength is going up!! I've never done eq in my life

 

[a-bomb5083]

What the hell are some of you talking about! Whoever tells you Eq takes 4-7 weeks to kick in is very uneducated. If it was up to me i would ban them from this board! You should dismiss all other advice such a person gives you and take them for a fool. It pisses me off when people shoot their mouths off and dont have a clue in the world.

Eq starts to work within minutes of a shot. The dosages gradualy increase in the system. If you frontload 800 as i do, you should be feeling it within a day or so if not sooner. For people that have no clue...shut up and dont post idiotic advice you took out of your ass! Eq has a half life of 14 days...that means that by day 14 half of the 800 Mgs should be in your system. Do the damn math! 4-6 Weeks? How can a person honestly give someone such advice as this. People come to this board to learn. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW DONT GIVE ADVICE!

what i meant WAS it doesn't kick in at 100%, like really noticing gains in strength and size. now its remarks like this and BAD karma that piss me off. sure glad i'm not paying to be on this site. whatever.

 

[CrazyK]

Um..eq is not fast acting. I don't know where you get your facts on this, but eq with it's esters take a while to really take off in your system. Sure, it's IN your system, but you won't feel any strength gains for a few weeks or more depending on how you run it. I understand once you plunge the syringe into your body, the substance is IN your system and starts to act and change, but by no means will anyone see or feel anything for atleast a few weeks. You say you do, maybe because you are more of a veteran with it and can feel the mild effects, but most users won't. I know when I run it at the normal mgs per week (400mg), I feel a change in my body, a little surge of energy, etc, but no strength for several weeks. The only fast acting eq that I have used is BP and I felt that in less than a week and saw changes in less than a week.

It's not so much that you are a jackass, it's the way you come across to people in your messages, almost like if you're yelling at them etc. You say you want to help out others so that they don't make a mistake, but what if this kid never used anything before and he doesn't know how it will react in his system and he wants to take it slow and see the reactions that may or may not react. So probably for him running it 1 time a week could be best for him. Besides, doing a shot every 7 days won't effect the blood levels when it comes to eq. EQ is active in your system for up to 16 days. I remember my first cycle, I did my last injection and I was still gaining strength in the gym for almost 3 weeks before the eq wore off.

Will you stop arguing? Jesus Christ some people on this board are fucking brain dead.

 

[jeb0177]

it's mental placebo effect, imagine when it kicks in????

WWWWOOOW!

 

[mrplunkey]

Here's a simple calculation:

Let's say you have 400 mg's of EQ "in" you... but you just shot the ester. With a half-life of 14 days, you'll release:

400 * exp(-0.693/14) = 380.7 mg's will still be in your body 24 hours later

So where did the 19.3 mg's go? It was released into your system. That's your "free" boldenone that hit your system.

Now let's look at a fast-acting ester -- test prop with a half-life of 4.5 days.

400*exp(-0.693/4.5) = 342.9 mg's (btw, shooting 400 mg's of prop at once is a terrible idea)

So 57.1 mg's was released -- right at three times as much.

Bottom Line: Part of what makes high half-life esters slower-acting is simply the fact that they trickle-out the real juice into your system more slowly. Notice though, that if you inject EQ every week, you are shooting at right around half it's half-life. Therefore, the stuff accumulates in your system over time and your daily "releases" become much more than the base 400 mg's you shot at first.

Using the above equations, you can build your own "roid calculator" in Excel. It's nice, because you can plan every cycle -- even figure-out what kinds of fluctuations you'll experience between injects. The one thing that stands-out to me when doing this with long half-life esters (ie EQ or Deca) is that by 6-7 weeks, a pretty significant amount of that stuff has built-up in you.

 

[Mavy]

Polfa .. when did you become a mod? Damn i am outa the loop. I havent posted in a few months, but am going to try to pop in every now and again.

Anywhoo ... Polfa ... you have some good points, but no one needs another "I am the Law" mod like a Fonz for example. I can see why people are getting pissed with you. Correct people, have a discussion, prove your points, do what you gotta do, but you dont have to go off on people like that.

Of course you can feel EQ quickly. But it dosent get REALLY good until later in a cycle, as MrPlunky states. The longer ester has a cummulative effect over time with the way that most people inject. You end up with more EQ in your system. 600mg per week of EQ ends up being more than that around the 6 week mark. Talk to anyone who has ran EQ before. You can feel it early in the cycle, but things get really nice when you start feeling the compounding effects of shooting a longer acting depot. This is not just EQ, its Deca, cyp any longer acting depots for example. Most people you will ask will tell you there is quite a noticeably differnet feel in EQ from wk1 for example to wk6. Can you feel it early?? Sure. But you will like it better further along in your cycle.
I agree ..if you want to feel EQ fast, or use it in a short cycle .. use esterless or bold prop.

 

[wesley90]

Here's a simple calculation:

Let's say you have 400 mg's of EQ "in" you... but you just shot the ester. With a half-life of 14 days, you'll release:

400 * exp(-0.693/14) = 380.7 mg's will still be in your body 24 hours later

So where did the 19.3 mg's go? It was released into your system. That's your "free" boldenone that hit your system.

Now let's look at a fast-acting ester -- test prop with a half-life of 4.5 days.

400*exp(-0.693/4.5) = 342.9 mg's (btw, shooting 400 mg's of prop at once is a terrible idea)

So 57.1 mg's was released -- right at three times as much.

Bottom Line: Part of what makes high half-life esters slower-acting is simply the fact that they trickle-out the real juice into your system more slowly. Notice though, that if you inject EQ every week, you are shooting at right around half it's half-life. Therefore, the stuff accumulates in your system over time and your daily "releases" become much more than the base 400 mg's you shot at first.

Using the above equations, you can build your own "roid calculator" in Excel. It's nice, because you can plan every cycle -- even figure-out what kinds of fluctuations you'll experience between injects. The one thing that stands-out to me when doing this with long half-life esters (ie EQ or Deca) is that by 6-7 weeks, a pretty significant amount of that stuff has built-up in you.

So this is why front loading works eh?

 

[mrplunkey]

So this is why front loading works eh?

You got it! Here's a Thur/Sun injection schedule with no frontload:

Day Inject Blood EQ
Level Released
Thur 200 200
Fri 190.3 9.7
Sat 181.1 9.2
Sun 200 372.4 8.7
Mon 354.4 18.0
Tues 337.3 17.1
Wed 321.0 16.3
Thur 200 505.5 15.5
Fri 481.1 24.4
Sat 457.9 23.2
Sun 200 635.7 22.1
Mon 605.0 30.7
Tues 575.8 29.2
Wed 548.0 27.8
Thur 200 721.5 26.5
Fri 686.7 34.8
Sat 653.5 33.2
Sun 200 822.0 31.6
Mon 782.3 39.7
Tues 744.5 37.8
Wed 708.5 36.0
Thur 200 874.3 34.2
Fri 832.1 42.2
Sat 791.9 40.2
Sun 200 953.7 38.2

Now look at the same four first weeks, with a two week frontload:

Day Inject Blood EQ
Level Released
Thur 400 400
Fri 380.7 19.3
Sat 362.3 18.4
Sun 400 744.8 17.5
Mon 708.8 36.0
Tues 674.6 34.2
Wed 642.0 32.6
Thur 400 1011.0 31.0
Fri 962.2 48.8
Sat 915.7 46.5
Sun 400 1271.5 44.2
Mon 1210.1 61.4
Tues 1151.6 58.4
Wed 1096.0 55.6
Thur 200 1243.1 52.9
Fri 1183.1 60.0
Sat 1125.9 57.1
Sun 200 1271.5 54.4
Mon 1210.1 61.4
Tues 1151.7 58.4
Wed 1096.1 55.6
Thur 200 1243.1 52.9
Fri 1183.1 60.0
Sat 1126.0 57.1
Sun 200 1271.6 54.4

Also notice how EQ accumulates in your body, since a 2x/week injection frequency is well so far below the 14-day half life of the ester.

Sorry.. formatting sucks...

 

[wesley90]

Then why doesnt frontloading with anavar work? The half life is around 9 hours but takes forever to feel the effects...at least thats what I am told...

 

[mrplunkey]

Then why doesnt frontloading with anavar work? The half life is around 9 hours but takes forever to feel the effects...at least thats what I am told...

I think there are two primary factors related to "kick-in". The first factor is the release rate of the ester and the second is the time delay between the introduction of the hormone and experiencing its physiological effects. Frontloading I think speeds-up the ester rise time, but it probably doesn't speed-up the actualy physiology of muscle growth and/or strengthening. The fastest compounds such as test prop (half life 4.5 days), winny (8 hours), anavar (8 hours) still take 3-4 weeks and the slower compounds such as deca (half-life 15 days) and equipoise (14 days) take more like 6-8 weeks so I'd guess the ester release rate accounts for about 3-4 of those weeks. But again... i'm guessing now!

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Hey mavy good to see you around....
You know the way i am bro. If i feel someone is giving advice from their ass i will call them on it. I could care less who i offend if i am looking to expose the truth.
In this case....like i conceded 100% being active in your system and strenght /size gains are obviously 2 deperate issues.