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ghettostudmuffin
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Fedor got a little carried away and didn't respect the bjj skills enough and got caught.
Imo Fab only had a shot with a submission and he did a great job getting it on Fedor.
I don't think Fedor could handle Shane Carwin or Brock Lesnar, but I do think he could kick some serious ass if he leaned up and dropped down to 205lbs.
Imo Fab only had a shot with a submission and he did a great job getting it on Fedor.
I don't think Fedor could handle Shane Carwin or Brock Lesnar, but I do think he could kick some serious ass if he leaned up and dropped down to 205lbs.
ponyfitness
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Props to Werdum for keeping that submission on. Fedor tried hard 2-3 times to get out of it but just couldn't which is why he tapped. His expression after it was off tells the whole story, it basically said - that was stupid and I deserved to lose.
ponyfitness
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It was actually on youtube when I saw it - but I'm sure mma-core probably has it up by now. The fight only lasted 2 minutes.
Guys...he's won every other fight out there...just cause he loses one doesnt mean he's lesser of a man.
Give the guy a break he's a legend.
Give the guy a break he's a legend.
You think Carwin has a shot vs Lesnar?
I hope that it's a good fight.
Absolutely. I think Carwin is just as good a wrestler and he's a stronger puncher.
Plus the fact that Carwin is a full time engineer seals the deal for me. I'm a big fan.
ghettostudmuffin
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Last night I watched a bunch of shit on Carwin and he seems like a really classy fighter man. After watching all those vids I wouldn't mind seeing either fighter win.
I think it could go either way. Brock hasn't knocked anyone out yet, but he has put people down and/or briefly dazed him. From all reports the guy hits like a mack truck and his straight right looks like it could become effing BRUTAL with more timing and technique.
I watched him and carwin bump hands and the announcement they would fight and Brock's hands were as big as carwin's with mits on. That's a bigass fist comin at you.
Carwin looks like he has some serious punching power, but I highly doubt he is as strong as Brock or as good of a wrestler. Brock is retardedly fast for his size. I'm willing to bet he can take Shane down at will if he wants and pretty much ground and pound him.
Standing up I could see it go to whoever lands the first big shot or 2.
Shane has fought more guys, but Lesner has beaten better quality opponents. He absolutely thrashed Heather Herring and made him his bitch. The rematch with Frank Mir he did the same.
Honestly I don't think there is a single guy in the UFC that can out wrestle him and/or deal with his strength of take downs and his ground control and pound.
My guess is it's over in the first round or it goes the distance with alot of standup pawing or ground work.
I think Shane is an awesome guy and a great fighter, but I think Brock with his mind right is kinda unreal almost.
I think it could go either way. Brock hasn't knocked anyone out yet, but he has put people down and/or briefly dazed him. From all reports the guy hits like a mack truck and his straight right looks like it could become effing BRUTAL with more timing and technique.
I watched him and carwin bump hands and the announcement they would fight and Brock's hands were as big as carwin's with mits on. That's a bigass fist comin at you.
Carwin looks like he has some serious punching power, but I highly doubt he is as strong as Brock or as good of a wrestler. Brock is retardedly fast for his size. I'm willing to bet he can take Shane down at will if he wants and pretty much ground and pound him.
Standing up I could see it go to whoever lands the first big shot or 2.
Shane has fought more guys, but Lesner has beaten better quality opponents. He absolutely thrashed Heather Herring and made him his bitch. The rematch with Frank Mir he did the same.
Honestly I don't think there is a single guy in the UFC that can out wrestle him and/or deal with his strength of take downs and his ground control and pound.
My guess is it's over in the first round or it goes the distance with alot of standup pawing or ground work.
I think Shane is an awesome guy and a great fighter, but I think Brock with his mind right is kinda unreal almost.
redsamurai
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It's been written that carwin is every bit as strong as lesnar not just in raw bench/squats/deads....but also in functional training like walking around with 250 pounds in each hand. I dunno, I think strength is a wash. I've never seen how good a wrestler carwin is so I can't say if he can fight Lesnar off or not. I don't think Lesnar can just brute strength this guy, he may have to use some finesse to get him down and ontop of him. Standup is a bad idea for Lesnar....if he gets hit, he's at the very least going down and Carwin would be right ontop of him. I highly doubt Lesnars coach's are telling him to stand in Carwins wheelhouse and trade shots. Carwin proved that he can recover from a bomb.....Lesnar does not like getting hit and he showed that against Couture and Mir.
redsamurai
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oh and Fedor is still the best HW of all time in MMA. Some lucky submission in a match I have suspicions may have been a fix doesn't convince me that Fedor couldn't still come in at will and stomp anyone in the UFC. He has one more fight left on his contract..I didn't even know he was fighting last night, that's how little run strikeforce is getting. Had Fedor won last night no one would be saying anything cause it's "as usual". Now everyone is going to tune in for the rematch or the fight with overeem strikeforce is trying to get done.
This will def. be interesting to watch...It could go both ways that for sure and it better not go the fuckin distance I want to see a damn knockout
Actually Red has a point. I have not watched the fight. Remember, the Kimbo fix, right before they went bankrupt on CBS? That seemed pretty obvious. However, I haven't heard the fix reports from observers, and it's probably a genuine loss.
However, to lose to a guy who is 14-4 is kinda weird.
I dunno. Also, to walk right into that kinda choke that quick, w/out fatigue? Usually submissions that quick are for newbs.
It would make sense for Fedor to take the fall to help the Nielsen ratings... but it probably wouldn't make sense in his chances of marketing himself.
Someone who saw the fight can give me a solid answer.
Fedor is a very humble man.
"Those who never fall never learn to stand up. The problem is that people have made me into an idol and idols are infallible. But I am just a Human Being. And next time, God willing, I will win!"
And before this fight, year ago, this is what he said:
"It is pure coincidence that I haven't lost yet"
"I wouldn't be shocked if I lost"
Certainly not acting like an African American. (no racist)
He is going to cold blooded slaughter his next 5 opponents.
"Those who never fall never learn to stand up. The problem is that people have made me into an idol and idols are infallible. But I am just a Human Being. And next time, God willing, I will win!"
And before this fight, year ago, this is what he said:
"It is pure coincidence that I haven't lost yet"
"I wouldn't be shocked if I lost"
Certainly not acting like an African American. (no racist)
He is going to cold blooded slaughter his next 5 opponents.
ponyfitness
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Fedor doesn't give a crap about marketing himself, and is probably the most anti-publicity person in fighting today. I believe he has publicly said he wouldn't join the UFC just for that reason, but he does love to fight and wants to fight the best.
I think the loss was genuine - he got nailed with a very good submission.
He's only human. Even champions lose sometimes. No big deal.
redsamurai
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I talked to a friend of mine today and he said the submission was weird. Like Fedor was on top of werdum and almost got caught, stood up....werdum stayed on his back and basically said come back down here big boy and Fedor obliged and immediately got caught with the exact same hold Werdum was trying the first time. Definitely sounds newbish which makes me think something was up.
FuzzyGophar
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Werdum had wrist control the entire time which is why Fedor wasn't able to escape. Fedor just fucked up, he thought he had Werdum rocked and figured he had him dead to rights. He was in horrible position for the gnp. And Werdum is no scrub, he's one of the best bjj practitioners in the world.
ghettostudmuffin
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Looked like a transition from arm bar to triangle choke to me.
It's pretty funny how legendary Fedor has become that even one of the best bjj guys in the world submitting him makes people go wtf? Musta been a setup lol.
It's pretty funny how legendary Fedor has become that even one of the best bjj guys in the world submitting him makes people go wtf? Musta been a setup lol.
canadianhitman
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I think Fedor got caught because he just isn't quite as sharp as he used to be. When you get towards the back end of your quality years, you have to train harder and smarter than ever to keep up to the younger fighters. Fedor, unfortunately, still insists on training with nobodies in some backwater town in Russia. If he wants to stay relevant, he needs to start training with quality people at a serious camp stateside. There's no damn way he would have been caught with that triangle if he'd been constantly exposed to quality heavyweight training partners with a BJJ background at a good camp. I saw that Fedor was ripe for the picking after witnessing his fight vs. Brett Rodgers; I was 90% sure he'd get mauled by Lesnar after that fight, and now I'm 100% sure of it. I think Fedor's people know it too, hence his not signing with the UFC when he had the chance.
Okay, nice. Good point.
Guys, yoiur posts makes me laugh..lol @ Fedor not being what he used to be.
AAP - Fedor has ended fights in submissions more than he has ended fights in KOs
It was not an arm bar....it was a triangle choke....started in an arm bar and transitioned to a triangle choke...it happens...he made a mistake put his arm in too far and got trapped...it happens I assure you.
AAP - Fedor has ended fights in submissions more than he has ended fights in KOs
It was not an arm bar....it was a triangle choke....started in an arm bar and transitioned to a triangle choke...it happens...he made a mistake put his arm in too far and got trapped...it happens I assure you.
You think Fedor will ever go UFC?
With the lack of boxing events this month, I"m looking forward to carwin vs lesnar.
I think SL will be putting it up this saturday.
redsamurai
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I'm not ready to call fedors skills diminished...."yet". He always trained his way in BFE siberia and was making the best fighters in the world look utterly stupid. And this was in pride where everyone was sauced up to the gills. However, if he doesn't start fighting top quality hw's he will be left behind. At this point I don't think he will go to the UFC. After strikeforce he'll go to Dream in japan where he prefers fighting.
DannoMight
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so who has fedor beat quality wise lately? just wondering. also carwin was a div 2 ncaa champ and lesnar was a div 1 champ. lesnar has a glass jaw though and it will be very hard for him to take carwin down as they are both elite wrestlers and takedowns don't come easy.
canadianhitman
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1. Carwin is not elite when his wrestling is compared to someone like Brock Lesnar.
2. Brock has a glass jaw? Funny...he's never been KOed, and that includes the time he f-ed up a top-rope backflip and landed on his head. A mortal man would have been knocked out and had a broken neck...I don't think Brock is going to have his lights dimmed easily.
Wrestling Gone Wrong - Brock Lesnar's Wrestlemania shooting star press
ghettostudmuffin
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Ya there's absolutely no evidence of Brock having a glass jaw.
He may not particularly like getting hit in the face, but that hardly counts as glass jaw.
He may not particularly like getting hit in the face, but that hardly counts as glass jaw.
DannoMight
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he was rocked pretty good in the 2nd mir fight. mir just fucked it up going for that stupid ass faber type knee. brock had to lay on him to catch his composure. if carwin hits him like that he's out.
ghettostudmuffin
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I'll have to check that fight again. I don't remember him being that rocked from mir's punch.
Speaking of Mir he's proven lately that he's got some pretty solid punching power now that his technique is improving.
Speaking of Mir he's proven lately that he's got some pretty solid punching power now that his technique is improving.
canadianhitman
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Saturday night
redsamurai
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Mir didn't wabble lesnar but he perked him up pretty good and caused him to go full cover up. And yeah, that stupid fucking knee was what got Mir pwned. You ding a guy like Lesnar you either try to follow up with legit strikes OR you take him down yourself. Lesnar would have never expected Mir to shoot on him and in that initial moment Mir probably could have gotten the takedown. That's what I want to see...I want to see what Lesnar looks like when he's on his back.
I agree, bout the knee, it would've knocked anyone else out, it just made him mad.
The more I watch, I don't see anyone beating Lesnar.
He's a Minotaur,for real.
1- Boxing is a slow dying sport...it's a dynosoar
2- I am Carwin's biggest fan, but Lestner is a beast and a brute...hard to call. I will not be betting on this event.
3- Will Fedor go to the UFC? I don't know. Fedor may not have fought the "best" fighters out there, but that is not to say that the "best" fighters will beat him. I don't think there is a single fighter out there, other than GSP who is more complete than Fedor...
you can have div I wrestlers that can get beat by division II wrestlers happens all the time
Thought Brock may be a faster puncher, Carwin punches harder. He's been dubbed the Mike Tyson of UFC....they have both knocked out Mir with ease....Carwin a little easier than Lestner.
How does Lestner have a glass jaw? anyone can get rocked during a fight.
Glass jaw means you get tapped on the chin and you go down. Example = Liddel.
Actually boxing is making a comeback, ratings are much higher than they have been in years.
Plus you really can't compare the 2. You aren't but they are totally different animals. Different pace, different preparation... just different. The variable in MMA are much greater. However, the precision of specialization is finer in boxing. Apples and Oranges.
That said, I have to agree with you. Carwin is an animal, but Lesnar is just not human. He's a monster from greek myths.
Would you put Anderson Silva in that category?
the reason boxing is dying has nothing to do with rating...it's because boxers sell less than 25% what mma sells and yet boxers get paid more than 50 times what mma fighters get paid...the numbers just dont add up.
I think Silva is very controversial. I dislike him very much. He does not put on a show and he doesnt even try. He does "just enough" to win...I don't like that.
redsamurai
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I promise you if Fedor hits him flush, it's lights out. Fedor has dropped 400 pound men with one punch. If Lesnar didn't like Mirs little love tap he's not going to like it at all if Carwin gets a punch through or if in the future Fedor puts hands on him. That to me is going to be Lesnars downfall....he has such a huge ego that the notion of being knocked out is so intolerable to him that he'll play defense if someone get's one in and guys like Fedor know exactly how to get all over that. Against a guy like Fedor Lesnar will not be able to just cover up and dip/dive for the legs. He's going to have to stand in the pocket and trade blows and not give a shit whether he gets knocked out or not. I guarantee you if Fedor were to get knocked out he'd get up off the mat with the same expression he had when he stepped in the ring. Lesnar would be "devestated" by a knockout because he lives on the myth he's generated around himself. If Carwin manages to KO him tommorrow we won't be seen Brock for a minute cause he's going to go back to Canada and shoot animals and sulk about his loss. If that guy grows up and quits the WWE thing and gets the real warriors mentality.....he'll go as long as Fedor has without getting beat.
ghettostudmuffin
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I'm pretty sure Brock Lesnar has as much or more of a warrior mentality than most mma fighters. The guy is a true alpha male. It's not being that egotistical when you can back it up and have complete faith in yourself.
It took balls and an ego the size of a dump truck to go from pro wrestling to mma.
The fact that he came in with like 2 mma fights under his belt and started defeating top notch fighters and champions speaks volumes.
The guy is practically conan as far as I am concerned. Not wanting to get slugged in the face is pretty smart.
It took balls and an ego the size of a dump truck to go from pro wrestling to mma.
The fact that he came in with like 2 mma fights under his belt and started defeating top notch fighters and champions speaks volumes.
The guy is practically conan as far as I am concerned. Not wanting to get slugged in the face is pretty smart.
Lumberg
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Not to mention going out for the NFL with the Vikings, remember that? He failed at that so it's not like he's perfect. I respect him for trying though.
also,
I don't like Brock, yeah dude is not Kane, Lao Tzu, and classic American Ego. I also agree, Fedor catches him, or Carwin, he'll hit canvas. Dude says he will trade, and he may even be that stupid. I don't think so... I think after the whole Vikings thing, the loss to Mir, he has learned Godzilla ain't divine. He can be taken out. He gives gear use, MMA, a less than reputable image. Hell, he's mayweather, but 300lbs.
Carwin may win, I hope he does... just don't see it happening.
ghettostudmuffin
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I think what we may end up seeing is 1 of 2 things.
Either Carwin knocks him out in round 1 or 2 OR more likely, Lesnar just outwrestles, outpositions and ground pounds Carwin the duration.
Either he get's caught or shows he's just on another level kinda like GSP vs. Jon fitch.
An all out 5 rounds beatdown from both with a close decision would be awesome though.
Either Carwin knocks him out in round 1 or 2 OR more likely, Lesnar just outwrestles, outpositions and ground pounds Carwin the duration.
Either he get's caught or shows he's just on another level kinda like GSP vs. Jon fitch.
An all out 5 rounds beatdown from both with a close decision would be awesome though.
DannoMight
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lets just hope the ref don't step in early
ghettostudmuffin
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Dear god! He took 2 unprotected shots to the face! Stop it!
I know what ya mean. Guy's are just a smidge to quick to jump the gun.
Boxers take waaay more punishment by comparison.
I know what ya mean. Guy's are just a smidge to quick to jump the gun.
Boxers take waaay more punishment by comparison.
Meh. My boy lost the fight. It's all good. It was a well-deserved win for Brock.
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