Fall bulker,input from those in the know

[theoak01]

my plan here is
eq 500mg a week for 10 weeks
prop 200mg eod for 12weeks,I believe my 9 bottles(10ml) will accomplish this but my math is shit,so basically 700mg a week but ed shots arent a option.

considering slin pw starting 2iu and working up to a safe dose,prob 6max if I can handle it.

with hcg starting in week 9 at 500iu 2xweek until bottle runs out,so 5 weeks,and nolva along with it for pct and on hand

this is my 4th cycle,Im 20yrs old ,around 175 5'6 13-14%bf,lost tons of size working swing shift this summer and want to be back in the low 200's(was 196ish prior)

so what do you guys think especially the slin usage which is a option but not set in stone yet

 

[DIVISION]

my plan here is
eq 500mg a week for 10 weeks
prop 200mg eod for 12weeks,I believe my 9 bottles(10ml) will accomplish this but my math is shit,so basically 700mg a week but ed shots arent a option.

considering slin pw starting 2iu and working up to a safe dose,prob 6max if I can handle it.

with hcg starting in week 9 at 500iu 2xweek until bottle runs out,so 5 weeks,and nolva along with it for pct and on hand

this is my 4th cycle,Im 20yrs old ,around 175 5'6 13-14%bf,lost tons of size working swing shift this summer and want to be back in the low 200's(was 196ish prior)

so what do you guys think especially the slin usage which is a option but not set in stone yet

You're already doing cycles and you're 20? WTF!!!!!!

You started too early, and that is something you can never take back, bro.

I don't think you should be fucking w/ the insulin at this age........but it's your body....

DIV

 

[The Terminator]

You're already doing cycles and you're 20? WTF!!!!!!

You started too early, and that is something you can never take back, bro.

I don't think you should be fucking w/ the insulin at this age........but it's your body....

DIV

I have seen some of your physique pics posted before oak, and I dont think you have the right kind of body to be using slin (you look VERY predisposed to putting on alot of fat with slin usage)

I dont want to sound like a jerk, (but I have to be blunt here) I just dont think a drug like slin is going to help you out with the bodytype you have

 

[Slyder190]

2 young man. Go get some creatine and chill for a while.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Slin is very dangerous, if you don't use it just right it will do nothing but make you fat.

 

[landser]

Fuck the slin, drop the EQ, fuck the prop, and go with a stable test ester like enanthate, run that at 500mg, get diet in line; ie: 400g protein day, 400g complex carbs, except 50-75g simple post workout, train with heavy compound movements and you will grow. Too young for slin, EQ is crap for bulking, and prop is a bitch.

 

[theoak01]

thats exactly what I wanted to hear term,I was thinking along the same lines but wanted input from others,so Ill def be dropping that.

I know I started young but thats life Ive run 3 prior cycles not stopping now.

landser,why is eq crap for bulking,I figure at 500mg a week and stacked with 700mg prop I would gain very good size, I know eq is a slower gain ,but thats what Im looking for,quality gain from eq and the prop for mass.

I also assume you say from is a bitch due to injections,but Ive run it earlier this year for 8 weeks with no problems

 

[psychedout]

Cycle looks aight to me, but yeah, i'd loose the slin as suggested.

Also, if your at a predisposition to hold fat (a lot like my lard ass) an anti-e is a good choice so estrogen doesn't lead to fat gain.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Time out!!! Take a step back ..i totally agree with term..and i dont want to sound like a jerk either..first let me say something about myself, i am nowhere near my ideal physique and i am not saying this out of cruelty..i have seen your pics and to be quite honest you dont look like youve ever lifted a weight!!! 4 cycles at the age of 20 with nothing to show for it is absurd..yes you should stop right now..you need to adress your training and diet and make some gains NATURALLY..your talking about running 700mg of test plus eq and slin???? slin is for advanced athletes like quad, galaxy just to name a few..again im not trying to be a dick but you should be making te best gains of your life naturally right now and you have no business using gear..im no diet expert but getting your training set up properly will make a world of a difference..i would suggest you you revise your routine and post it on teh training board for some help!!

 

[Dial_tone]

I'm an old schooler and I really hate to see situations like this. I started juicing at a young age also, 18 although I started college at 17. I had a real foundation before I started; I had been busting a gut for 4 years prior. If you cannot train hard enough to build muscle without juice then you won't be able to maintain the muscle the build you build with juice once you come off. There are alot of guys here in the same position as this guy and it just burns my britches to no end. I don't think anybody should be messing with slin unless they're staring at top 3 in a statewide show.
This picture is after my first 4 cycles:

want to know what those cycles were?

Cycle 1 - 100 tabs of Dbol and nothing else, 3-5 tabs a day
Cycle 2 - 100 tabs of Dbol plus 200mg Test/week for 10 weeks
Cycle 3 - same as Cycle 2 + 20 Anavar tabs a friend had left over
Cycle 4 - 200mg Test/week for 10 weeks

My first 4 cycles combined are less than what most of you guys use on your first. You guys are putting way too much emphasis on what goes in your ass and not enough on bustin your ass.

 

[theoak01]

I do appreciate the input guys,and I can gain while off,my spring cutting cycle was the first time I was on in 2 years,so thats def not a concern,as for routine its the 5x5 basically sometimes 5x3 to switch it up. diet in the past has been a problem but no longer is this a issue,Ive done alot of reading and that was why I took that time of the gear to sort my shit out and grow naturally and in that 2 years went from 160 to 196

and since ive added eq Im thinking of dropping the prop down to 100mg eod as opposed to 200 eod

thanks again guys I appreciate your input and Ill keep the board posted on how things workout

 

[wnt2bBeast]

so you followed NS 5x5? very good routine im using it right now except for back and im making good gains naturally and im 30 lol..seems like youre not going to listen to anyones advice and your going to run your cycle anyway..doesnt seem like a good idea..just my .02

 

[DIVISION]

I know I started young but thats life Ive run 3 prior cycles not stopping now.

I think you're making a dreadful mistake, bro.

You're too young and you'll be regretting this later in life.

Think about this, and reconsider.

DIV

 

[landser]

I think you're making a dreadful mistake, bro.

You're too young and you'll be regretting this later in life.

Think about this, and reconsider.

DIV

Why will he regret it?

 

[DIVISION]

Why will he regret it?

When you are that young, your natural test levels are high and you don't need any gear to make gains......huge gains.

It's a waste of gear.....and he will realize this later down the road.

DIV

 

[Deleted member 33117]

1) If you have done cycles and are at the size you are currently at, you need to rethink your game plan. What do you diet and routine look like?
We need to start here

2) You have the wrong body type to use insulin, you are going to get fucking FAT.

3) You do not need that much gear. Cut the prop down to 75 mg eod, and run the eq at 400 mg every week. You should easily be able to break 200 lbs on this by the end of your cycle if your diet and routine are right.

 

[Dial_tone]

Time out!!! Take a step back ..i totally agree with term..and i dont want to sound like a jerk either..first let me say something about myself, i am nowhere near my ideal physique and i am not saying this out of cruelty..i have seen your pics and to be quite honest you dont look like youve ever lifted a weight!!! 4 cycles at the age of 20 with nothing to show for it is absurd..yes you should stop right now..you need to adress your training and diet and make some gains NATURALLY..your talking about running 700mg of test plus eq and slin???? slin is for advanced athletes like quad, galaxy just to name a few..again im not trying to be a dick but you should be making te best gains of your life naturally right now and you have no business using gear..im no diet expert but getting your training set up properly will make a world of a difference..i would suggest you you revise your routine and post it on teh training board for some help!!

 

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1) If you have done cycles and are at the size you are currently at, you need to rethink your game plan. What do you diet and routine look like?
We need to start here

2) You have the wrong body type to use insulin, you are going to get fucking FAT.

3) You do not need that much gear. Cut the prop down to 75 mg eod, and run the eq at 400 mg every week. You should easily be able to break 200 lbs on this by the end of your cycle if your diet and routine are right.

I agree BBF. Hey Oak, just cause you take a ton of gear doesn't mean you will get huge off of it. After so much gear is taken, your body will not be able to use it in an effective manner, it will just hurt you. It's often called the law of diminshing returns. If you take twice as much as last time, for instance, you won't get twice as big. You may gain some more size, but no where near twice the size. Drop the dosages down bro.

 

[psychedout]

It's often called the law of diminshing returns. If you take twice as much as last time, for instance, you won't get twice as big.

Ughhh, I hate this law -- unfortunately its accurate.

For example, I recently I ate 2-2.25x bw in protein for about 10 weeks. The difference was negligible from that of 1.5 x bw in protien.


BTW, dial_tone, you are the man.

Very few accomplish how you look in those pics with such little gear. As was stated, all that gear listed could be equivalent to what many use in their first cycle lol.

I'm no big critiquer of age -- bloodwork is key.