it seems if your new to this board you get ignored, I was on here a couple of years ago and got some top advise and made some excellent gains, been away a while with illness since coming back my posts dont get answered. With me when coming off juice the depression, or annoyance was mainly that my gains were diminishing and I had the battle of keeping what I had gained. good clomid therapy helped me alot, but its soooo tempting to juice when I should be off. best wishes turtle