experienced bro's get in here!

[silverbackn]

I'm about to rock a 16 weeker. I'm gonna start with enanthate (a gram), prop(100mg's eod to jump start), and EQ (600mg's a week). I plan on running slin too. I am wanting lower the test and add something else in at around 10-12 weeks. I think that switching compounds will help to get a new stimulus for growth. What experiences success/failures have you had with switching compounds? I know that some of you cats stay on year round and I was curious as to what has worked well for you. I have never run a cycle this long. I was thinking of switching to some primo or something more anabolic than androgenic to ease into PCT and solidify gains. I would love to hear your comments. Holla!

 

[git_er_done]

bump I am interested in this also...

 

[Ulter]

You can get a bump just by adding an oral and that's the easiest to do. I use winny. But it doesn't last long. Changing gears will only give you about another 4 weeks.

 

[mikefear]

Throw in some winny or var

 

[Bruce]

var 75-100mg ed or tbol. tbols will work great cause they kick in fast and they only last about 4 weeks. var is a great choice as well, a bit more mild but strength gains on var for me blew away everything

 

[njmuscleguy]

Var gets my vote... good way to solidify gains and it won't be particularly suppressive towards the end of the cycle

 

[gymratforlife]

I'm about to rock a 16 weeker. I'm gonna start with enanthate (a gram), prop(100mg's eod to jump start), and EQ (600mg's a week). I plan on running slin too. I am wanting lower the test and add something else in at around 10-12 weeks. I think that switching compounds will help to get a new stimulus for growth. What experiences success/failures have you had with switching compounds? I know that some of you cats stay on year round and I was curious as to what has worked well for you. I have never run a cycle this long. I was thinking of switching to some primo or something more anabolic than androgenic to ease into PCT and solidify gains. I would love to hear your comments. Holla!

If you want to add weight why not just go with drol or dbol?I loved dbol when I used slin,blew the fuck up and trength through the roof.I am going to give Humalin-R a shot this time seems to be better for getting more calories in the window than waht I used last time wich was humalog.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

npp...

 

[silverbackn]

These are the responses I was expecting to hear, I appreciate it guys. I would like to throw in some var or t-bol because I have never used them before. I know that I seem to plateau out around week 9 or 10 and I want to try something to mix it up. Thanks again guys! I would love to hear more if anyone has any suggestions. What about dropping the test down and adding in primo? Anyone experienced with this?

 

[krishna]

On my last cycle I was on eq/tbol/proviron for the first 10 weeks, then went to test/deca for 5 weeks, then went to eq deca for 10 more weeks. IMO, if you're going to add or switch compounds, it's gotta be a strong one like tren.

 

[Bruce]

yea silver i never thought of npp. i have yet to try it but i have some that i may use next cycle. go with the var though you will be very happy. it gives great pumps and vascularity. the best pumps imo and i took russian dbols before

 

[njmuscleguy]

On my last cycle I was on eq/tbol/proviron for the first 10 weeks, then went to test/deca for 5 weeks, then went to eq deca for 10 more weeks. IMO, if you're going to add or switch compounds, it's gotta be a strong one like tren.

if he's looking to "ease into PCT", then tren is not something he'd want to switch to and end off with... very highly androgenic... he wants something that'll give him an extra kick in performance while being minimally suppressive towards the end

 

[Stacemranger]

I'd have to agree with the var or tbol opinions. Sounds like the best route.

 

[krishna]

if he's looking to "ease into PCT", then tren is not something he'd want to switch to and end off with... very highly androgenic... he wants something that'll give him an extra kick in performance while being minimally suppressive towards the end

All I'm saying is that it's going to be hard to get that extra kick without something strong. His AR's will have been saturated for some time, and adding a weak compound isn't going to do much, at least that's my experience.

 

[silverbackn]

On my last cycle I was on eq/tbol/proviron for the first 10 weeks, then went to test/deca for 5 weeks, then went to eq deca for 10 more weeks. IMO, if you're going to add or switch compounds, it's gotta be a strong one like tren.

I know you remember what tren did to me last year! I can't mess with that shit.

 

[krishna]

I know you remember what tren did to me last year! I can't mess with that shit.

Ya I remember.

 

[solidspine]

I think you answered your own question -----Primo


I don’t know the half life of primo, but I have done it for long, long cycles with great results and little sides.

Can’t recommend it any more.

The stuff is great,

No bloat, just lean muscle even without food.

 

[The Shadow]

I'm about to rock a 16 weeker. I'm gonna start with enanthate (a gram), prop(100mg's eod to jump start), and EQ (600mg's a week). I plan on running slin too. I am wanting lower the test and add something else in at around 10-12 weeks. I think that switching compounds will help to get a new stimulus for growth. What experiences success/failures have you had with switching compounds? I know that some of you cats stay on year round and I was curious as to what has worked well for you. I have never run a cycle this long. I was thinking of switching to some primo or something more anabolic than androgenic to ease into PCT and solidify gains. I would love to hear your comments. Holla!

I didnt read any othetr responses but here is what I would do:

1 - front load the enan and the eq and forget about the prop....save it for the tail end and use it to come off as its fast acting.

2 - imo Primo isnt worth the money - LOT AND LOTS of hairloss for some individuals. If you want a more favorable anab/androg ratio - think var or Winny.

3 - if you want to taper the enan at midpoint - consider tren acetate or even tren enan - Tren and EQ will give GREAT lean(non water) gains.

 

[The Shadow]

..and of course AIFM or similar

 

[silverbackn]

I didnt read any othetr responses but here is what I would do:

1 - front load the enan and the eq and forget about the prop....save it for the tail end and use it to come off as its fast acting.

2 - imo Primo isnt worth the money - LOT AND LOTS of hairloss for some individuals. If you want a more favorable anab/androg ratio - think var or Winny.

3 - if you want to taper the enan at midpoint - consider tren acetate or even tren enan - Tren and EQ will give GREAT lean(non water) gains.

Tren gives me horrendous insomnia, I would love to be able to run it wigth EQ and test but I can't seem to find a cure for the sleeplessness. I was only running 37.5mg's a day too.

 

[The Shadow]

Tren gives me horrendous insomnia, I would love to be able to run it wigth EQ and test but I can't seem to find a cure for the sleeplessness. I was only running 37.5mg's a day too.

I bet you were injecting late/afternoon evening....homebrew???

 

[krishna]

On tren e right now. I can sleep but my pillow is soaked when I wake up. I freakin love it! On week 6 of a 15 weeker with tren/eq/prov/bromo

 

[VascularitY]

im on day 4 of homebrew tren @ 75mg ED and already sweating though my pillow, unreal shit....and the taste you get while you shoot it...makes my throat feel nice and clean

 

[Quadsweep]

These are the responses I was expecting to hear, I appreciate it guys. I would like to throw in some var or t-bol because I have never used them before. I know that I seem to plateau out around week 9 or 10 and I want to try something to mix it up. Thanks again guys! I would love to hear more if anyone has any suggestions. What about dropping the test down and adding in primo? Anyone experienced with this?

I was thinking EQ at the same dose as what you dropped the test down.

Quad

 

[Wulfgar]

I'm about to rock a 16 weeker. I'm gonna start with enanthate (a gram), prop(100mg's eod to jump start), and EQ (600mg's a week). I plan on running slin too. I am wanting lower the test and add something else in at around 10-12 weeks. I think that switching compounds will help to get a new stimulus for growth. What experiences success/failures have you had with switching compounds? I know that some of you cats stay on year round and I was curious as to what has worked well for you. I have never run a cycle this long. I was thinking of switching to some primo or something more anabolic than androgenic to ease into PCT and solidify gains. I would love to hear your comments. Holla!

I love where your head is at bro!
Hit the Androgenic stuff HARD in the beggining.
I always reccomend constantly switiching up protocol drugs. I never run any one compund longer than 6 weeks.
heres a good tip
start the first 3 weeks running GH, slin, T3, IGF, creatine, arachidonic acid, anything that is seriously anabolic and will prime your receptor sites. run all this shit for 6 weeks total but @ week 3 run hard into the androgenic shit. power the androgenic stuff for 9 weeks(about when u said gains start to fade) ...@ the 6 week point of the androgen use move into ur durabolin, winny, Var, etc and go through that for 6 weeks
2 weeks before you cut all the anabolic stuff start ur PCT
Im tellin u bro...it works like a charm..

weeks 1-6 High anabolic(no AAS)
weeks 3-12 High androgenic tapering into anabolic
weeks 9-15 High anabolic AAS
weeks 13-17 PCT

 

[silverbackn]

I was thinking EQ at the same dose as what you dropped the test down.

Quad

I will be running EQ at 600 from the beginning. When I drop the test down you think I should drop the EQ down too?

 

[silverbackn]

I bet you were injecting late/afternoon evening....homebrew???

I was generally taking it mid-afternoon and I couldn't fall asleep until 6AM every morning. It was miserable.

 

[Bruce]

shadow i am not mpb prone at all. i take proviron like hot cakes. is there a chance that primo will rob me of my hair. i am considering it for next cycle. thanks. sorry to hijack silver but you my dog. stay away from tren i remember you couldn't sleep with sleep pills and all. not worth it, sleep waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too important

I didnt read any othetr responses but here is what I would do:

1 - front load the enan and the eq and forget about the prop....save it for the tail end and use it to come off as its fast acting.

2 - imo Primo isnt worth the money - LOT AND LOTS of hairloss for some individuals. If you want a more favorable anab/androg ratio - think var or Winny.

3 - if you want to taper the enan at midpoint - consider tren acetate or even tren enan - Tren and EQ will give GREAT lean(non water) gains.

 

[The Shadow]

I was generally taking it mid-afternoon and I couldn't fall asleep until 6AM every morning. It was miserable.

The BA ramps some folks up......A friend switched to first thing am pokes and his imsomnia went away


Bruce - is so dependent on the individual - its hard to say. Its like Deca Dick -hits soem hard - others not at all.

Was the proviron reference to state that androgens dont affect you?

 

[Vascular Freak]

I'm about to rock a 16 weeker. I'm gonna start with enanthate (a gram), prop(100mg's eod to jump start), and EQ (600mg's a week). I plan on running slin too. I am wanting lower the test and add something else in at around 10-12 weeks. I think that switching compounds will help to get a new stimulus for growth. What experiences success/failures have you had with switching compounds? I know that some of you cats stay on year round and I was curious as to what has worked well for you. I have never run a cycle this long. I was thinking of switching to some primo or something more anabolic than androgenic to ease into PCT and solidify gains. I would love to hear your comments. Holla!

Bro trust me on this, with your current plan..... in week 9 lower the test dose slightly and add in some primo at 6-800mg ew, and then some winny for the last 4 weeks while the longer esters clear. So you will be using only prop and winstrol going into PCT. That is what I did and it was UNreal Aside the from the carb ordeal, I rad your posts and we think alike, you love this.... it will make you a F*cking stud.

 

[Vascular Freak]

One more thing, when you hit the primo in week 9 you need to hit it real hard, then taper down to 6-800mg, I did this and could feel it kick in fast even for a longer ester.

So bascially from week 9-16 it would look like this,

wk 9-14 test 500mg
wk 14-18 test prop 100mg eod
wk 9-14 eq 600 mg
wk 9-16 primo 6-800mg
wk 14-18 winstrol 60mg ed

This way you will get the long esters out the system completely for PCT, and you also can taper the test prop down to allow for mainly the primo and winstrol (anabolic) towards the end of the cycle.

I am also planning on the very last week for me which is week 15 dropping the prop and running just HCG with the winstrol for a week, then dropping the HCG and winstrol and starting clomind etc.

 

[Bruce]

The BA ramps some folks up......A friend switched to first thing am pokes and his imsomnia went away


Bruce - is so dependent on the individual - its hard to say. Its like Deca Dick -hits soem hard - others not at all.

Was the proviron reference to state that androgens dont affect you?

yes i had heard proviron is as hard on the hairline as primo. you are scaring me man. really wanna it, ive never shed off dbols, test, anything at all.

 

[solidspine]

If you can afford that cycle run the Primo from week 1,

 

[silverbackn]

The BA ramps some folks up......A friend switched to first thing am pokes and his imsomnia went away


Bruce - is so dependent on the individual - its hard to say. Its like Deca Dick -hits soem hard - others not at all.

Was the proviron reference to state that androgens dont affect you?

I may give that I try. I get up at 4AM everyday. I could just do my shot when I get up every morning. The good thing is that if it does give me insomnia it clears so damn fast that it won't affect me for more than a day.

 

[silverbackn]

I love where your head is at bro!
Hit the Androgenic stuff HARD in the beggining.
I always reccomend constantly switiching up protocol drugs. I never run any one compund longer than 6 weeks.
heres a good tip
start the first 3 weeks running GH, slin, T3, IGF, creatine, arachidonic acid, anything that is seriously anabolic and will prime your receptor sites. run all this shit for 6 weeks total but @ week 3 run hard into the androgenic shit. power the androgenic stuff for 9 weeks(about when u said gains start to fade) ...@ the 6 week point of the androgen use move into ur durabolin, winny, Var, etc and go through that for 6 weeks
2 weeks before you cut all the anabolic stuff start ur PCT
Im tellin u bro...it works like a charm..

weeks 1-6 High anabolic(no AAS)
weeks 3-12 High androgenic tapering into anabolic
weeks 9-15 High anabolic AAS
weeks 13-17 PCT

I like the looks of this. The theories on everything make complete sense. I think I'm gonna give this a go as closely as I can. I have never done a long cycle like this. I am really trying to put everything together in the next year and see what kind of progress I can make. I would atleast like to be a serious contender at the state level. I am relatively immature in terms of drug use amongst competitive guys. I have used next to nothing. I know you can't rush a great physique, but I think i can be 15% better next year with all the changes I am making. Thanks for your time brotha!

 

[silverbackn]

Bro trust me on this, with your current plan..... in week 9 lower the test dose slightly and add in some primo at 6-800mg ew, and then some winny for the last 4 weeks while the longer esters clear. So you will be using only prop and winstrol going into PCT. That is what I did and it was UNreal Aside the from the carb ordeal, I rad your posts and we think alike, you love this.... it will make you a F*cking stud.

This seems to be the consensus on how to rock a long cycle. Thanks for your input bro! I'm ready to do the damn thing!

 

[heavy_duty]

I vote this biatch for thread of the month!

 

[silverbackn]

I vote this biatch for thread of the month!

There has been a lot of good input from good bro's on here. Thanks fellas! If you got anything else speak on it guys!

 

[Ulter]

yes i had heard proviron is as hard on the hairline as primo. you are scaring me man. really wanna it, ive never shed off dbols, test, anything at all.

If you didn't shed on dbol you're not likely to on Proviron. But it's certainly possible. The good thing is that you can stop the Proviron and the hairloss stops in a couple days. And it will then grow back. In your situation where you're not prone to MPB.

 

[silverbackn]

bump for any more bro's who want to chime in

 

[drols of steel]

Thats the same cycle I'm on except I'm only on 600 enethate instead of 1g and no slin. Everyone seems to think that Tren would be best and I think I agree, why not tren for you??

 

[silverbackn]

Thats the same cycle I'm on except I'm only on 600 enethate instead of 1g and no slin. Everyone seems to think that Tren would be best and I think I agree, why not tren for you??

It gave me bad insomnia. I would stare at the walls until 6AM every morning. Shadow recommended that I try shooting it in the morning, I get up at 4AM everyday now. When I took it last time I was shooting it in the afternoon before my workouts. I think I will give it a try and shoot in the early morning, the good thing about it is that if it messes my sleep up I can stop and it will be out of my system quickly.

 

[MTS]

I had alot of sucess using an oral at the begining and switching to a different oral at the end.
Ex.
week 1-4 test e 750 week, drol 100mg ED
week 5-16 test e 1g week
week 1-16 EQ 600mg week
week 11-16 t-bol or some other oral, you might want to lower the test again around the end

 

[silverbackn]

I had alot of sucess using an oral at the begining and switching to a different oral at the end.
Ex.
week 1-4 test e 750 week, drol 100mg ED
week 5-16 test e 1g week
week 1-16 EQ 600mg week
week 11-16 t-bol or some other oral, you might want to lower the test again around the end

That looks pretty good. I may try the t-bol at the end and drop my test down to 500mg's a week. I'm anxious to see how all of this plays out in effect.