Excellent Cuttin Diet

[BullGod]

Breakfast - 4 Hardboiled Omega 3 Fotified Eggs

AM Snack - Whey No-Carb Protein Shake

Lunch - One Can of Tuna - 2 Tablespoons Real Mayonaise

PM Snack - Whey High-Carb (Add Fruit) Protein Shake

GYM!!!

Dinner - One Can of Tuna - 2 Tablespoons Real Mayonaise

Before Bed - 2 Hardboiled Omega 3 Fortified Eggs W/1 Cup Whole Fat Milk

Easy to follow. Prepare food day prior and refrigerate. You can us the same "No-Carb Protein Powder" for shakes, just add fruit to PM Snack (Pre-Workout) Shake.

I have never been able to get lean until sticking with this for 30 days and am amazed at the results - thought I would share.

 

[testcyp007]

sounds good man, i was wondering, what weight and b/f% where u at when u started and ending, i hav tryed stuff like that before, its just i get so fucking hunry i cant take it, i guess i just got to push my self, right

 

[MiamiStyle245]

Diet looks good.

Just a suggestion:
Pre-workout: whey shake and 1 apple
Immediately post workout: whey shake+75gr. carbs from dextrose+500mg ALA

I think it would be better to incorporate the bulk of your carbs post workout. Many people will tell you not to eat any fruit when cutting, but I eat a fruit 30min preworkout for some energy on lifting days.

Try some empty stomach morning cardio (low intensity). You'll love the results.

 

[BullGod]

For those that asked -going in I was 200 lbs - 15% bf. 30 Days in I am 189 lbs. and trainer said i am "just over 10% body fat". No anabolics at this point.

MiamiStyle: Thanks for the advice, I was debating the morning cardio thing...are you saying maybe 20 minutes or so of statinary bike OR something more intense??

 

[SOLID]

45 min of cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach would be best. Also, I agree with Miami, you need to take in carbs postworkout this is crucial to help kickstart recovery, and Dextrose is best in my book. I also do the same as him using an apple for my pre-workout snack to fuel my workouts. Good advise bro!

 

[Cornellius]

sorry bro....but this diet is crap imo.
it won´t let you train hard, and without hard training there is no cuts, no matter what. been there, done that...
take more carbs....specialy on breakfast and post workout.

now, if you are really fat and want to lose weight no matter what......seems like a good diet.

 

[Big Anaconda]

Doesnt look bad to me, as long as the protein is high yoo should be ok. if the body needs more carbs surely it will break down protein?

 

[BullGod]

SOLID and others: when you guys say "post workout carbs" and recommend stuff like dextrose - can you expound on that?? In other words, I finish my training and immediately eat some sugar (i.e. candy)?? that seems counterproductve IMO...explain please.

 

[Him1]

Posted by Cornellius:sorry bro....but this diet is crap imo.


That is so absurd. So many are completely lost on the fundamentals of dieting. Say it w/ me; 'If you eat fewer calories than you burn, you'll lose fat/ If you eat enough protein, you'll maintain muscle." Geez.
Good diet, man, but, I agree w/ the post w/o carbs. Just a small change.

 

[JP@Ironology]

For those that asked -going in I was 200 lbs - 15% bf. 30 Days in I am 189 lbs. and trainer said i am "just over 10% body fat". No anabolics at this point.


Good job! If the diet works for YOU stick with it.

That is nice progress for only 30 days. You can have your trainer adjust as needed.

 

[Golfer18--old]

SOLID and others: when you guys say "post workout carbs" and recommend stuff like dextrose - can you expound on that?? In other words, I finish my training and immediately eat some sugar (i.e. candy)?? that seems counterproductve IMO...explain please.

You need to have fast carbs like dextrose to get the protein into your muscle. Some eat sweet tarts post workout.

 

[brotheriron]

Eating carbs on a diet??????????????
Woah, thats not a clever thing to do. Why dextrose?
IMO carbs in a diet should be very slow release, eg yams.
The reason for low carbs is to force the body to use fat as energy.
Then why take in fast acting sugars??
Add 10 good amino acid tablets with each meal, keep carbs between 50-200g and protein well over 300, you wont lose hardly any muscle and the fat will fall off
bro

 

[Golfer18--old]

Eating carbs on a diet??????????????
Woah, thats not a clever thing to do. Why dextrose?
IMO carbs in a diet should be very slow release, eg yams.
The reason for low carbs is to force the body to use fat as energy.
Then why take in fast acting sugars??
Add 10 good amino acid tablets with each meal, keep carbs between 50-200g and protein well over 300, you wont lose hardly any muscle and the fat will fall off
bro

No bro. Re-read the post. You NEED simple carbs post workout.

 

[Transporter]

dude what you do is TKD diet.
right? only carbs before work out.
good luck. i am on this diet right now and works !

 

[brotheriron]

Well i dont know anyone who uses dextrose in their diet, at this moment in time 5 people i kinow are dieting for shows, none are using dextrose or any other bullshit excuse for carbs.

And when my training partner wins Nabba World in june you can eat your words
Bro

 

[JP@Ironology]

Well i dont know anyone who uses dextrose in their diet, at this moment in time 5 people i kinow are dieting for shows, none are using dextrose or any other bullshit excuse for carbs.

And when my training partner wins Nabba World in june you can eat your words
Bro

Brotheriron,

I agree with you. All the bodybuilders I have seen train for contests got rid of simple sugars at least 8 weeks out. In fact, I have never seen someone 8 weeks out use dextrose to get ready for a show.

Although, I understand there are many ways to get from point A to point B and there are probably those who do use simple sugars but I have never met anyone personally who uses dextrose, etc while cutting down.

 

[brotheriron]

To be fair if not dieting for a show you may get away with using dextrose postworkout, to make yourself feel better. However, there is no point loading the muscles up with glycogen, as the reason why low carb diets work is that muscles are completely depleted and forced to break down fats for energy.
Bro

 

[SOLID]

Do what you want, and listen to those that say don't take in any carbs and miss out on the most important opportunity to take advantage of shuttling nutrients into the muscle cells, kickstarting anabolism, recovery, growth, and refueling muscle glycogen. Listen to those who are missinformed and keep wodering why your workout's suck, why your not seeing any results, why your not getting any stronger, why you seem to be loosing muscle and why those around you look so much better.

 

[brotheriron]

Well the day i worry about getting bigger on a pre contest diet will be the day i listen to the carb boys. However if competing is the goal and dieting is only for competitions i'll do what all the top UK amateurs I know do, considering how far they have got. And there aint many around me that look any better.

Bro

 

[leancuisine]

pre-planning your daily intake on foods/calories shows determination and will to improve, but i think you should follow what your body calls for. if before your workout your stomach is empty, and you're also feeling tired it would make sense to fill up with something small like maybe an apple or a slice of bread.
are you NOT gonna feed your body just because you pre planned a certain dietary guideline that you believe you absolutely positively gotta follow to a tee?
the answer is no.

i don't plan my meals but i make sure that each one is well-combined and doesn't exceed what i should be eating.

some of these dudes are way too extreme about this shit.

 

[brotheriron]

"are you NOT gonna feed your body just because you pre planned a certain dietary guideline that you believe you absolutely positively gotta follow to a tee?"

The answer is no obviously dont feed yourself no matter what your body wants. That leads to fucking cakes and burgers. When a diet is set it should be stuck to no matter what.
bro

 

[SOLID]

Eating carbs on a diet??????????????
Woah, thats not a clever thing to do. Why dextrose?
IMO carbs in a diet should be very slow release, eg yams.
The reason for low carbs is to force the body to use fat as energy.
Then why take in fast acting sugars??
Add 10 good amino acid tablets with each meal, keep carbs between 50-200g and protein well over 300, you wont lose hardly any muscle and the fat will fall off
bro

first off, you call 200g of carbs a low carb diet? Ha. Second you ever heard of timed nutrition? Yes to keep your body in fat burning mode you need to have an absence of insulin which promotes fat storage, however, you can stay in fat burning mode all day by not eating any carbs, then in the pm postworkout take in simple sugars that spike insulin levels (one of the 2 only times I feel a need for carbs) quickly shuttle nutrients to the cells. And if your training correctly ...intensely- your not going to store any of those carbs as fat since your already in a delpleted state. SO, as I say again, keep following your ways bro, diet hard, train hard, keep your cardio high and your carbs low and watch your fat melt away...dragging your wilted muscle with it.

 

[JP@Ironology]

Well the day i worry about getting bigger on a pre contest diet will be the day i listen to the carb boys. However if competing is the goal and dieting is only for competitions i'll do what all the top UK amateurs I know do, considering how far they have got. And there aint many around me that look any better.

Bro

If your goal is to compete it is always wise to listen to those who have gone through the process.

 

[leancuisine]

"are you NOT gonna feed your body just because you pre planned a certain dietary guideline that you believe you absolutely positively gotta follow to a tee?"

The answer is no obviously dont feed yourself no matter what your body wants. That leads to fucking cakes and burgers. When a diet is set it should be stuck to no matter what.
bro

i don't agree.
when a diet is set you should stick to it as much as possible. but at times, your body needs extra like after a really intense work out session. at such times when your body calls for extra intake, you owe it to your body to eat more despite of those pre-determined diet schedule.
i'm not saying eat a cake or a burger, but another 8 egg whites and a can of soya beans certainly CANNOT do any bad.

 

[Machiavellian Muscle]

dextrose is good post workout. When you are done training you have a limited golden hour to absorb your carbs. If you take in yams/potatoes etc. immediately post workout they will not be absorbed quickly into your body. Post workout dextrose gets absorbed quickly with the protein. Try it then follow with a meal with carbs about an hour later. Take 500 ala with this shake and another 500 in your following carb meal.

 

[ammon]

I have to totally agree with SOLID on this...sorry, "bro"- you just aren't right.

Taking in a small amount of simple carbs, ESPECIALLY post workout, EVEN while dieting is a good idea. First of all, after an intense workout, the muscles are glycogen depleted, especially while dieting. Using dextrose post-workout will promote an insulin response to help shuttle those carbs back into MUSCLE TISSUE for glycogen storage - not fat cells- as well as increase the uptake of protein and amino acids needed for repair and recovery. If you are still skeptical, throw in 500mg to 1 gram of ala to aid in glucose disposal. Why not utilize that anabolic window post workout by increasing glycogen storage and protein synthesis? And you stated that 50-200g of carbs for daily intake is acceptable? When is the best time to take those carbs in, in your opinion? When the body can't utilize them to re-fuel depleted stores? I don't think so. Without some attention to post workout recovery, you can expect yourself to lose a shit load of fat and muscle, all the while overtraining yourself into the ground.

Bottom line- take in less caloreis than you expend, and manipulate your body's hormones by timely consumption of macronutrients. Increasing workout intensity (by means of adequate glycogen storage) will also allow you to burn more calories- a win/win situation.

 

[KillerLoop]

I think brotheriron is just talking about precontest dieting. That and just dieting for the average joe to get lean are two different things IMO.

 

[brotheriron]

Yeah if people read my post, pre contest diet. And i know more people who compete than there are people on this board.
So you can all eat your carbs because your tired and had a hard workout three days before you enter a national and watch your physique go from a top three placing to being too embarassed to go on stage.
Yeah fill the muscles with glycogen every day of your fuckin diet, then watch... You dont lose any fat. The body aint fuckin stupid, when the muscles are constantly full of glycogen your body wont start the complicated process of breaking down fats into glycogen to use as muscle fuel because your fuckin eating it.
Good luck on your diets, perhaps you should come and compete this year, Nabba Britain, Nabba world, and Wabba Mr England, i'd love to see how your diets compare on stage
bro

 

[bmit]

Totally with Solid and Ammon, simple carbs after post weights. i wouldn't after cardio. But your first goal when cutting should be to keep the muscle you have, and second to lose the excess fat. To me it makes no sense to bulk then cut w.o. carbs and lose half the muscle you worked and ate for. You may lose weight slower by carbs post workout, but at least it your muscles will be full of glycogen and strong. and that way you are burning fat not muscle. Up your cardio then to compensate for the dextrose calories, but fucking feed your muscles or they get catabolic. If you work out w/ any intensity those carbs should be going to muscles and not stored as fat anyway.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Nice post SOLID. Same shit I was saying.

 

[brotheriron]

Oh and SOLID yeah, 200g of carbs is low when your 350lbs
Bro

 

[SOLID]

Yeah if people read my post, pre contest diet. And i know more people who compete than there are people on this board.
So you can all eat your carbs because your tired and had a hard workout three days before you enter a national and watch your physique go from a top three placing to being too embarassed to go on stage.
Yeah fill the muscles with glycogen every day of your fuckin diet, then watch... You dont lose any fat. The body aint fuckin stupid, when the muscles are constantly full of glycogen your body wont start the complicated process of breaking down fats into glycogen to use as muscle fuel because your fuckin eating it.
Good luck on your diets, perhaps you should come and compete this year, Nabba Britain, Nabba world, and Wabba Mr England, i'd love to see how your diets compare on stage
bro

 

[KillerLoop]

Guys I wouldnt laugh too hard.....I dunno whether precontest diets differ in the UK to the US or not but I know a lot of UK competitors won't take in any simple carbs precontest. But they are still shredded as hell.

 

[brotheriron]

Take a look at the 1997 Mr Universe, the sadly now deceased Chris Sneddon placed top six overall, who coached my training partner, and Gilbert Sneddon, Mr Scotland, Wales and Britain on numerous occasions, JD, Ernie Taylor, Ian Harrison, (who speak for themselves) my coach JB, Mr Britain and will be Nabba World in June, I challenge anyone to enter and beat him, all have one thing in common, they get fuckin shredded and win major titles. Unlike you lot.
Perhaps its cos you take fuckin dextrose on a fuckin diet.
Laugh all ya want, but when your somebody thats when I'll listen to you
BRo

 

[Big Johnson]

I LOVE a good carb/no carb debate!

Lots of excellent posts. A really good read here, guys.

Having always had a problem staying below 10% and growing, I have to side with the CK peeps. I've tried both low fat and low carb diets and must say low carb is the way to go if you want to cut, with all carbs comming from foods with a low glycemic index.

 

[brotheriron]

Yeah, also some people missed the point, when i say DIET, i mean the 12 weeks leading up to a show. Now, having next to zero carbs is fucking mindless, and i would only do it the 12 weeks before a show. If the aim was to get leaner to pull more pussy, or look good on a sat night, then things are totally different.
Big J, IMO to grow you must also sacrifice your condition. Expect to get a bit fat, in order to maximise muscle growth. Otherwise keep carbs relatively low, dont gain as much muscle, but you will stay leaner. It doesnt bother me walking round without my abs out, because i know come contest time i'll be bigger than if i tried to stay near to perfect condition.
Bro

 

[~SC~]

actually........

the statement about not being able to burn fat while the muscles are full of glycogen is false. Muscle glycogen has no affect on burning fat, as muscle glycogen is within the muscle and is NOT sugar in the blood. If you do "timed eating" as Solid was explaining, you can remain glycogen packed, and still have your cardio sessions burn nothing but fat. If you have sugar still in the blood from a carb meal, then forget it. However, if you plan smart and know how to target your macros, you can achieve a very ripped/pumped physique.

Tell me you can't, and I'll re-direct you to my old website with pics, my new website soon to be launched, and Swole in the Wall at GotFina.com where 100's can vouch for this practice.

Pre-contest as was the first focus, I'd say watch the fast acting carbs just in case, as u may take too many and spill...........this can happen if u eat too much, or your weight training activity was anything but demanding of PWO simple sugars to promote glycogen recomp and amino acid storage. At all other times, this PWO nutrition, preferably in it's simplest form, is highly needed unless you wish to look like a 14 year old basketball player.

It's about BUILDING a physique and shaping it, not just losing weight to be a SMALLER - just as fat - person.

~SC~XXL~2K3~
"Swole in the Wall"
@ GotFina.com
www.swolecat.com
CEO
Vizual X-Cellence 2K3

 

[SOLID]

Re: actually........

the statement about not being able to burn fat while the muscles are full of glycogen is false. Muscle glycogen has no affect on burning fat, as muscle glycogen is within the muscle and is NOT sugar in the blood. If you do "timed eating" as Solid was explaining, you can remain glycogen packed, and still have your cardio sessions burn nothing but fat. If you have sugar still in the blood from a carb meal, then forget it. However, if you plan smart and know how to target your macros, you can achieve a very ripped/pumped physique.

Tell me you can't, and I'll re-direct you to my old website with pics, my new website soon to be launched, and Swole in the Wall at GotFina.com where 100's can vouch for this practice.

Pre-contest as was the first focus, I'd say watch the fast acting carbs just in case, as u may take too many and spill...........this can happen if u eat too much, or your weight training activity was anything but demanding of PWO simple sugars to promote glycogen recomp and amino acid storage. At all other times, this PWO nutrition, preferably in it's simplest form, is highly needed unless you wish to look like a 14 year old basketball player.

It's about BUILDING a physique and shaping it, not just losing weight to be a SMALLER - just as fat - person.

~SC~XXL~2K3~
"Swole in the Wall"
@ GotFina.com
www.swolecat.com
CEO
Vizual X-Cellence 2K3

Swole thanks for chiming in. Your technique's have taken my physique to new extreme's, and I agree with the statements above 300%. Now go back to producing more Swoldier's.

 

[Him1]

Oh and SOLID yeah, 200g of carbs is low when your 350lbs
Bro


Give me a break wanker(I always wanted to say that) You're not right, this is one of the most accepted principles in bodybuilding nutrition. Good luck trying to change anyones mind.

 

[brotheriron]

Its not about being right "wanker" its about learning, something you obviously dont want to do.
And as for the accepted principles of bodybuilding! Ha accepted principle, if we all stuck to them them we would all still be eating 100 eggs and 10pts a milk a day. Its only when people dare to break your bullshit principles that anyone gets any better, like the development of whey protein, the use of DNP etc, all of which were againsat the stupid fuckin principles 10 years ago.
And to be honest i dont give a fuck about trying to change peoples minds, think what you like, it doent bother me if you look like ronnie C or a 5yr old boy.

bro