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**Every bulk and cutting stack should include**

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I just wanted everyones opions on this. I think every mass cycle should include dbol and a test. Every cutting cycle should include fina and winny. These roids should make up the bases of every cycle you do!
what d ya tink?:p
 
Basically yes, it hangs upon your roid receptors, someone use DECA and nothing happends some grow with it, you've to experiment with yourselves
 
I think Testosterone should be included for all cycles whether bulking or cutting, it's the most important AS
 
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Weam said:
I think Testosterone should be included for all cycles whether bulking or cutting, it's the most important AS
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you beat me to it.....i totally agree--SOME FORM OF TEST.
 
I dont think that sweeping generalizations like this are sound advice - not at all.

Saying that Test should or can be a part of a bulking and/or cutting cycle is probably MORE true, but even that is not 100% of the time, for ALL persons.

D-Bol is great - but for a first timer? I think DBol can be a bit harsh from peopl I have spoken with, and many of its gains are water, and it places a huge stress of suppoorting systems due to the rapid gains.

Fine for every cutting cycle? Excuse me, but Tren (fina) is one of the harshest things out there, and most people that I know who have done it have stated that its NOT for novices.

I think the BEST advice is that everyone who considers doing AS should be aware of what their goals are, spend a LOT of time educating themselves, then re-asess their goals base on that knwoledge, then pick their cycle and substances based upon sound knowledge and reasonable goals. NOT based upon generalizations.
 
Testosterone should be the backbone of any cycle. There are not cutting or bulking steroids, they all aim to do the same thing (protein synthesis), only work via different mechanisms. It is nutrition that provides on whether you add more mass or increase mass slightly but reduce bodyfat.

As for steroids hitting different receptors? How many are there exactly?

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Peace
 
ALl I know is that Im on week 4 of sust500 wk/Dbol 30Mg a day and Im not seeing shit. Im using teh redijects for sus and reforvit-B for DBol. I gained a fewlbs 1st week, 2nd week nothing, 3rd week gained a few, then lost a few. I look the same. been eating 3500 cals a day all clean, sleeping 8-10 hrs a night, and eatingh 220grams of protien a day. Im lean, 5'10 165 - WHats the deal? When will I see something from this sust?
 
video, that's odd that you haven't really gained.

The sus should kick in any moment. Usually takes 4 weeks or so.

Did you ever feel your dbol kick in? What about pumps in the gym. At this point, I would be worried about bunk gear.
 
Its my 1st cycle. The Dbol (ref-B) is real. I have threebottles. One I bought in Mex myself and one is from my source andone from a friend. I checked all three and they are all the same. I had extreme pumps the 1st week, then they stopped. I raised my dosage form 25MG a day to 30 in week2. My redijects are from mexico and they too are legit. Not sure whats going on with me! My strength has increased, I do know that. But my size is not going anywhere. Ill stick it out for the 8 weeks, but my dbol stops next Friday.
 
Depending upon your diet and calorie intake, different AS, can affect everyone differently. People do still seem to make good gains on primo with low calorie, cutting diets.

I have made decent gains on very low calorie diets with simply deca and test.

Personally test is the foundation of any cycle. Gh may change this for me in the future.



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I also agree that Test should be the foundation of nearly every cycle (I also believe it is the best stand alone AS also). Oxandrolone-only is one notable exception to this rule IMO. BigEDD is alluding to a good point with AS stacking, and that is to combine a Class I or aggressive AR binding AS with a Class II, or non-AR mediated AS, for synergistic purposes----this is a very sound practice.

There are some factors with using Test that go beyond your current cycle's effectiveness. Besides increasing IGF and HGH levels, it also increases the capacity of the muscle to grow in the future by leading to the accumulation of myonuclei which are required for protein synthesis. There is good reason to believe that testosterone in high enough doses may even encourage new fiber formation. By giving rise to the numbers of myonuclei, test can thereby increase the number of androgen receptors per muscle fiber.

This information and more on Test is available in an article I posted a while back: http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=11578&highlight=test
 
I'd just like to say cheerz to everyone who has answered all my posts. In all of them i have at good replies very helpful. thanx.
 
Dont want to sound like a total newbie......which I am.
But you say Test should be the base of all cycles...
Sust 250 is Test,so would that be a good base?
Or do you need a straight out Test?

Just curious,dont be to hard on the new guy....lol
Thanks
 
Hey video. I really find hard to believe that your dbol is real eventhough you might think it is. With the calories you are taking and hitting the gym consistently, you should have see a lot more than you did. I understand that everybodys recepters respond differently, but thats pretty good amount of gear with no results.
 
SlipROCK said:
Dont want to sound like a total newbie......which I am.
But you say Test should be the base of all cycles...
Sust 250 is Test,so would that be a good base?
Or do you need a straight out Test?

Just curious,dont be to hard on the new guy....lol
Thanks
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test is test.. only difference is the esters which control the time frame at which it is released into the body. sust has 4 esters - test enan has one - but both have the same test
 
Video I suggest that you up your calories to 5000 per day and up your protein to 300 grams per day. It seems like you would have to grow if you did that. It probably wouldn't hurt to increase the sust dosage, but I would take a hard look at your diet first.
 
test should be the base of all cycle, just vary your dosages between cutting and bulking. fina is a great for both cutting and bulking . diet is the key in both cycles though.
 
test and eq should be the base for all cycles then add a third of something else.like dball or anadrol for bulking.winny or and fina for cutting
 
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