**Every bulk and cutting stack should include**

[TxLonghorn]

video, that's odd that you haven't really gained.

The sus should kick in any moment. Usually takes 4 weeks or so.

Did you ever feel your dbol kick in? What about pumps in the gym. At this point, I would be worried about bunk gear.

 

[ultragainz]

test

 

[the*_Rat]

test is the best!

 

[Justtryingnot2getfat]

video if ur not feeling that u gotta check ur gear - how many cycles have u done? if the irst hard to believe that 30mg of dbol isnt cgoing to have some effect.

 

[The Iron Game]

Androcur

Could anyone advice what and when this is used?
Thanks

 

[CPA]

agree with the test on every cycle and definitely on the fina with cutting.

 

[videoman]

Its my 1st cycle. The Dbol (ref-B) is real. I have threebottles. One I bought in Mex myself and one is from my source andone from a friend. I checked all three and they are all the same. I had extreme pumps the 1st week, then they stopped. I raised my dosage form 25MG a day to 30 in week2. My redijects are from mexico and they too are legit. Not sure whats going on with me! My strength has increased, I do know that. But my size is not going anywhere. Ill stick it out for the 8 weeks, but my dbol stops next Friday.

 

[solidspine]

Depending upon your diet and calorie intake, different AS, can affect everyone differently. People do still seem to make good gains on primo with low calorie, cutting diets.

I have made decent gains on very low calorie diets with simply deca and test.

Personally test is the foundation of any cycle. Gh may change this for me in the future.

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

I also agree that Test should be the foundation of nearly every cycle (I also believe it is the best stand alone AS also). Oxandrolone-only is one notable exception to this rule IMO. BigEDD is alluding to a good point with AS stacking, and that is to combine a Class I or aggressive AR binding AS with a Class II, or non-AR mediated AS, for synergistic purposes----this is a very sound practice.

There are some factors with using Test that go beyond your current cycle's effectiveness. Besides increasing IGF and HGH levels, it also increases the capacity of the muscle to grow in the future by leading to the accumulation of myonuclei which are required for protein synthesis. There is good reason to believe that testosterone in high enough doses may even encourage new fiber formation. By giving rise to the numbers of myonuclei, test can thereby increase the number of androgen receptors per muscle fiber.

This information and more on Test is available in an article I posted a while back: http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=11578&highlight=test

 

[Yellowbomber]

good post bro makes me hope