Evaluate stack with Katandrol.

[obiwarz]

Hey everyone! I've been on these forums for years, but haven't been posting much due to multiple health problems. Basically, I got a lap-band in 2007 which aided me in a weight loss from 330 lbs to my current 220 lbs. I ended up getting a tummy tuck last fall and another surgery to remove a pressure sore I developed.

As of today, I'm completely healthy and am excited to hit the gym hardcore yet again. Need2 has helped me figure out a "starter" plan, but I'm curious if adding/removing a couple more things may help.

My stats: 6'2 1/2", 220 lbs. 27 years. New to prohormones, but not new to weight lifting/running. My usual workouts consist of weight lifting then cardio (either treadmill or racquetball). My goals: to lose weight (down to 205 or so), but increase my muscle and get that cut look. Here's my cycle:

Start Monday, April 25th
1-6 katanadrol 200mg every day spread out
1-6 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals ( morning noon and night)
1-4 adderlin 1 full dose twice a day Needtobuildmsucle.com discount code
1-6 Krill oil from rlssupplements.com this is like fish oil only 10000 times stronger and more potent
1-6 gear 3 caps with every does of need2slin.

PCT portion of the cycle
weeks of the cycle:
6-10 Unleashed and post cycle 1 cap 3 times a day of each
6-12 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm.
6-10 HCGenerate 5 caps a day 3 am 2 pm

I just purchased ep-stane from Orbit as well as Krill oil.
My question, is ep-stane a proper addition to the above cycle? Is there a different prohormone (beast, hella, etc.) that fit my goals? I'm willing to try everything as I really want to be a monster Softball and Racquetball player . Btw, I use N2KTS instead of Adderlin. I am also wanting to add creatine to the cycle. I wish I had more HCGenerate or HMGenesis too. That forma better come in stock soon as well!

Any additional advice for me? I've researched peptides and more. After this, I'd love to try something more anabolic if I knew how to get the hookups.

Thanks everyone for your advice!

 

[jester72]

Honestly, if Needto set that up for you, I'd follow it 100% to the letter. He's done the same for me in setting up a cycle that met my needs, as well as recommending individual supps. to get me to a weight loss goal before starting my cycle.

Plain and simple, the man has yet to be wrong! If you really feel you need to change something, PM Needto about it. He IS the one who set it up after all.

 

[obiwarz]

Oh I agree, he is amazing. I PM'd him as well if he had any ideas. I just wanted to post on here as I don't do it often to see if an ep-stane + katandrol stack wouldn't hurt. I'm also curious if others had a similar stack and had great results.

 

[obiwarz]

I just found 35 pills of 1-AD (1-Androstenediol. Is that worth it to addon? I also use Stacker 2's, ephedrine, and all the above.

 

[Lancer55]

Hey everyone! I've been on these forums for years, but haven't been posting much due to multiple health problems. Basically, I got a lap-band in 2007 which aided me in a weight loss from 330 lbs to my current 220 lbs. I ended up getting a tummy tuck last fall and another surgery to remove a pressure sore I developed.

As of today, I'm completely healthy and am excited to hit the gym hardcore yet again. Need2 has helped me figure out a "starter" plan, but I'm curious if adding/removing a couple more things may help.

My stats: 6'2 1/2", 220 lbs. 27 years. New to prohormones, but not new to weight lifting/running. My usual workouts consist of weight lifting then cardio (either treadmill or racquetball). My goals: to lose weight (down to 205 or so), but increase my muscle and get that cut look. Here's my cycle:

Start Monday, April 25th
1-6 katanadrol 200mg every day spread out
1-6 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals ( morning noon and night)
1-4 adderlin 1 full dose twice a day Needtobuildmsucle.com discount code
1-6 Krill oil from rlssupplements.com this is like fish oil only 10000 times stronger and more potent
1-6 gear 3 caps with every does of need2slin.

PCT portion of the cycle
weeks of the cycle:
6-10 Unleashed and post cycle 1 cap 3 times a day of each
6-12 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm.
6-10 HCGenerate 5 caps a day 3 am 2 pm

I just purchased ep-stane from Orbit as well as Krill oil.
My question, is ep-stane a proper addition to the above cycle? Is there a different prohormone (beast, hella, etc.) that fit my goals? I'm willing to try everything as I really want to be a monster Softball and Racquetball player . Btw, I use N2KTS instead of Adderlin. I am also wanting to add creatine to the cycle. I wish I had more HCGenerate or HMGenesis too. That forma better come in stock soon as well!

Any additional advice for me? I've researched peptides and more. After this, I'd love to try something more anabolic if I knew how to get the hookups.

Thanks everyone for your advice!

This cycle should be plenty anabolic, they are not pro-hormones, they are steroids. Epi-stane I have never used but have heard good things so it could be but if it is your first time cycling then I would just run katana it should be plenty stacked with all that. Supplements are good but diet, training and rest is going to affect your gains more than anything the supplements are only going to enhance gains. N2KTS is creatine so no need to add more unless your going for more than 5 grams per day. It is a monohydrate in NTKTS so it will give more water retention, I would take Ancient Strength based on what I have read it sounds like it would be better for your goals.

• Increased lean body mass
• Decrease fat mass
• Boost strength
• Elevate IGF-1 levels
• Aid in protein synthesis
• Boost endurance
• Increase power

 

[obiwarz]

I soooooo wanted ancient strength, but I bought N2KTS on the day BEFORE they had the deal where you could get it for free. I doubt they would let me get a sample, but damn, I was so upset that I ordered too early, UGH! I don't think I'll get it because of the timing. Unless of course, they are willing to give me a break for that ONE day.

My workouts before this cycle has always been a mixture of weight training and cardio. I've used whey and creatine mostly at that time. Right now, I'm trying to gain lots of muscle and definition. At the same time, I've recovered from surgery and need to lose some weight (about 15 or so lbs). It is a bind when I want to gain muscle, yet losing weight.

Katandrol is supposed to address that, but I'm curious how I can stack it with something to get more gains, despite a possible weight gain. I'm great with cardio anyway.

What do you guys think of an epi-stane + katandrol stack? Can it be done within the cycle need2 sent? Would I really get better gains? I'll be on n2guard and other supps to help out, but I know katandrol isn't very hard on the liver. Hence, I wouldn't mind taking all these protective supps because a prohormone does affect it (so I'm looking to stack). You know what I mean? I just don't want to waste things.

Thanks guys... I really want to become more active in these forums. I've been around for over 5 years now, but have always been afraid to post. I've realized how many great people are on here though!

- Jason

 

[obiwarz]

FYI: I ordered beast to accompany my epi-stane and katandrol. Now I just need to figure out how to incorporate it. Any advice would be extremely helpful! I'm going all out purchasing N2slin, N2Guard, krill, and more. Thanks guys!

 

[JWBurns]

Personally I'd run the HcGenerate all the way throughout from start to finish. That shit is THE BOMB and if you have a significant other, she'll thank you dearly for using it!

 

[obiwarz]

Personally I'd run the HcGenerate all the way throughout from start to finish. That shit is THE BOMB and if you have a significant other, she'll thank you dearly for using it!

I have friends with benefits . I just don't have enough HCGenerate to last the entire cycle. I wish it or Bridge would come in stock again!

 

[obiwarz]

Well I have enough HCGenerate to last me the cycle assuming my 2 new orders (backorders) of HCGenerate actually come in! Think that's a good idea??

I think I am also adding ep-stane, 1 cap 3x day for 4 weeks on top of my katandrol 200mg. Sound good?

 

[jester72]

Absolutely not! If you don't have enough HCGenerate on hand to run the course, I wouldn't start without it.

 

[Lancer55]

Well I have enough HCGenerate to last me the cycle assuming my 2 new orders (backorders) of HCGenerate actually come in! Think that's a good idea??

I think I am also adding ep-stane, 1 cap 3x day for 4 weeks on top of my katandrol 200mg. Sound good?

if your taking the reccomended dosage I dont see how it would last you through the 6 week cycle should only last 4, use it in PCT as needto laid it out for you. it isn't required to run throughout cycle all it does it help a lil but the PCT is fine dude, if ya wanna add Epi go for it, its mild and so is katana if your using n2gaurd and not drinking on cycle should be fine man. Ancient strength is a plus. Also if your gonna use beast I would definately pick up n2gaurd and I wouldn't run the 3 together but thats just me.

 

[obiwarz]

I think I'm just going to run the epi and the katandrol with all the above supplements for support. I do drink, but only occasionally (maybe binge every other weekend on off days). I work quite regularly as well. I figured the beast might help in my next cycle though by itself. First, I'm just gaining experience and second, I want to get some lean mass while losing weight. Any advice is appreciated!

 

[die faster]

save the beast for another time. and forget any alcohol while on cycle.

 

[obiwarz]

Updated stack. Could use comments to change, if necessary.

Wake up: 2 tylenol if needed, 2-3 scoops N2KTS, Adderlin (if available), and a stacker 2 (ECA)
1-4 ep-stane 1 cap 3 times a day
1-6 katanadrol 200mg every day spread out (is this really enough??)
1-6 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals ( morning noon and night)
1-4 adderlin 1 full dose twice a day **Only have N2KTS as I’m running out of Adderlin
1-6 Krill oil from rlssupplements.com
1-6 gear 3 caps with every does of need2slin.
1-6 Creatine mono post workout (5g) with dextrose
1-12 2 scoops protein powder (around 52g protein) + 3 GEAR
I also have better protein bars and N2Mix

PCT portion of the cycle weeks of the cycle:
6-10 Unleashed and post cycle 1 cap 3 times a day of each
6-12 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm.
6-10 HCGenerate 5 caps a day 3 am 2 pm

I’m waiting on the N2Guard and Krill supplements right now. I’m also waiting on Katandrol and Forma. Once the Katandrol is here, I’ll be starting it out immediately. I figure the forma will be here in time. I also pre-ordered two HCGenerate so hopefully that will come in a couple weeks. I’m also waiting on 15 bottles of ephedrine, but have some to get by.

 

[Lancer55]

Updated stack. Could use comments to change, if necessary.

Wake up: 2 tylenol if needed, 2-3 scoops N2KTS, Adderlin (if available), and a stacker 2 (ECA)
1-4 ep-stane 1 cap 3 times a day
1-6 katanadrol 200mg every day spread out (is this really enough??)
1-6 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals ( morning noon and night)
1-4 adderlin 1 full dose twice a day **Only have N2KTS as I’m running out of Adderlin
1-6 Krill oil from rlssupplements.com
1-6 gear 3 caps with every does of need2slin.
1-6 Creatine mono post workout (5g) with dextrose
1-12 2 scoops protein powder (around 52g protein) + 3 GEAR
I also have better protein bars and N2Mix

PCT portion of the cycle weeks of the cycle:
6-10 Unleashed and post cycle 1 cap 3 times a day of each
6-12 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm.
6-10 HCGenerate 5 caps a day 3 am 2 pm

I’m waiting on the N2Guard and Krill supplements right now. I’m also waiting on Katandrol and Forma. Once the Katandrol is here, I’ll be starting it out immediately. I figure the forma will be here in time. I also pre-ordered two HCGenerate so hopefully that will come in a couple weeks. I’m also waiting on 15 bottles of ephedrine, but have some to get by.

looks good man, glad you decided to save beast for next time, you should start a log when you start the cycle your gonna see some nice gains. as for katana if thats what Needto reccomended that is plenty + epi your gonna get lean bud long as your diet and training is good im sure your gonna be happy with the results.

 

[obiwarz]

Thanks bro. I am definitely EXCITED! Need2 has been amazing! I'm just waiting for a few supps to come in and I'm ready to go. My goal is to start Monday, April 25th! I need to cut and build some muscle for softball season! I'm pumped!

 

[needtogetaas]

I soooooo wanted ancient strength, but I bought N2KTS on the day BEFORE they had the deal where you could get it for free. I doubt they would let me get a sample, but damn, I was so upset that I ordered too early, UGH! I don't think I'll get it because of the timing. Unless of course, they are willing to give me a break for that ONE day.

My workouts before this cycle has always been a mixture of weight training and cardio. I've used whey and creatine mostly at that time. Right now, I'm trying to gain lots of muscle and definition. At the same time, I've recovered from surgery and need to lose some weight (about 15 or so lbs). It is a bind when I want to gain muscle, yet losing weight.

Katandrol is supposed to address that, but I'm curious how I can stack it with something to get more gains, despite a possible weight gain. I'm great with cardio anyway.

What do you guys think of an epi-stane + katandrol stack? Can it be done within the cycle need2 sent? Would I really get better gains? I'll be on n2guard and other supps to help out, but I know katandrol isn't very hard on the liver. Hence, I wouldn't mind taking all these protective supps because a prohormone does affect it (so I'm looking to stack). You know what I mean? I just don't want to waste things.

Thanks guys... I really want to become more active in these forums. I've been around for over 5 years now, but have always been afraid to post. I've realized how many great people are on here though!

- Jason

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[obiwarz]

I did order one bottle of the amazing N2KTS the DAY before the sale. Do you have a special cart so I can get the anceint strength?? I would love to get it!! Let me know! You rock bro!

 

[obiwarz]

All my supps minus the pre-ordered HCGenerate (though I still have some left from last time) are in! The only thing NOT in is the katandrol and forma .

Should I start my cycle with only the epi? When I get the katandrol, I could just throw that in then? My goal was to start Monday, April 25th as that gives me a week before Softball starts. Ideas?

 

[Lancer55]

All my supps minus the pre-ordered HCGenerate (though I still have some left from last time) are in! The only thing NOT in is the katandrol and forma .

Should I start my cycle with only the epi? When I get the katandrol, I could just throw that in then? My goal was to start Monday, April 25th as that gives me a week before Softball starts. Ideas?

I would wait for them both to get here, if you were going to run forma from start to finish that is.

 

[obiwarz]

Check this for my complete stack outline: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...te-stack-katandrol-742899-2.html#post10044069

Basically, I would be doing katandrol weeks 1-6, but epi only weeks 1-4. I'm not sure if it would hurt anything, but I wanted advice if I could begin epi (and everything else) on Monday the 25th and then throw in Katandrol whenever it comes in the mail (I'm guessing by mid-late next week). Forma is back ordered right now, but they say on MrSupp's page it will be shipping around next week. I'll need it later for weeks 6-12 and my order is already in so I should theoretically get my shipment in soon.

By the way, I have some very minor general issues with ED at the old age (j/k) of 27 (shhhh!) despite supplements (anxiety related maybe?). Since I don't have enough HCGenerate to run all cycle, just weeks 6-10 of my 12 week cycle, are there any other supps that work well? I hear tribulus and ZMA are good... any experience? I could run HCGenerate during my cycle IF my two pre-ordered bottles come in soon though.

After my katandrol/epi cycle, I already have beast on hand that I would like to try! I may take a break as I spent a TON on N2Slin, N2Guard, and all the other supps as described in the link above. I just wish I had the hookups in MN for some anabolics though... that would be amazing! Hint, hint everyone as I'm up for PM's! .

I'm not sure how peptides help, or other underground market supps/injections I could seek out either. I still have two bottles of 1-AD if that's another potential option.

You guys rock!

 

[sebaco2011]

No offense but what ever happened to old school cardio and diet LOL im totally suprised no ones flamming you about that, if what im seeing is correct you took the easy way out of loosing weight and got that lap band , and now your taking about 4 different supplements at the least and are wanting more ???? Creatine , whey , mutli vitamin. Those are 3 are all you need for now I would think ?

 

[obiwarz]

No offense but what ever happened to old school cardio and diet LOL im totally suprised no ones flamming you about that, if what im seeing is correct you took the easy way out of loosing weight and got that lap band , and now your taking about 4 different supplements at the least and are wanting more ???? Creatine , whey , mutli vitamin. Those are 3 are all you need for now I would think ?

Well I do take major offense as you are completed uneducated about what a lap-band is or does. After taking your head out of your own ass, I would start by doing a little research on your own about what a lap-band is, who gets it, and how it isn't considered the "easy way out" (the most disrespectful thing you can say to anyone who has ever had to undergo this procedure). I think others on this board understand the situation and have much more respect for those who may have needed a lap-band, do diet, exercise regularly, and try their hardest to be the best they can be without needing to "flame" others for their genetic misfortunes. With heart disease prevalent in my family and a father who needs a heart transplant and LVAD at 62, it is extremely important for me to do whatever I can to better my own health. If that takes flaming from some unknown with only one post on this fitness board, then all I can say is go fuck yourself for being an ignorant ass hole.

 

[jester72]

obiwarz,

I understand your plight 110%, and can't blame you for going off on that tirade against that jackass. I've contemplated the surgery for years, but am just so scared of the long-term side effects. That is my demon to deal with though.

On a more serious side note: By having the stomach banded, will that in any way hamper the breakdown and absorption of all the gear (as it is a lot if caps on a daily basis) as well as daily meals and supplements? Do you have to worry about diminished effectiveness at all?

I really though about this, and it seemed like it could be a legit concern, however you'd know a hell of a lot better than I would.

 

[die faster]

your cycle looks very solid man. like i said in the other thread i havent tried epi yet but from what i understand theyre both on the milder side. if you were to throw in the epi i would at least get something to prevent shut down while on cycle. not too sure if katana can shut you down but im assuming its not that bad? since hcgen and bridge are out of stock, im gonna give ironmag labs anabolic matrix stacked with some DAA or maybe forged steel or all 3 a try as a replacement.

 

[obiwarz]

your cycle looks very solid man. like i said in the other thread i havent tried epi yet but from what i understand theyre both on the milder side. if you were to throw in the epi i would at least get something to prevent shut down while on cycle. not too sure if katana can shut you down but im assuming its not that bad? since hcgen and bridge are out of stock, im gonna give ironmag labs anabolic matrix stacked with some DAA or maybe forged steel or all 3 a try as a replacement.

I think I may give forged steel a try as I got in on that buy 1 get 2 free deal from RLS. Good idea. In better news, my forma and katandrol shipped! Looks like I'm going to start my epi+ cycle today and add the other supps when they get here. Thanks for all the help everyone, except the asshole a couple posts ago.