erythropoietin

[Synpax]

Saw someone got booted from the Olympics for testing positive for it. Doesn't look like it has sides other than boosting blood pressure.

Anyone got any experience/knowledge to share about this? I read the first few links on google about it. Sounds like it's good for cardio - but not sure whether for training, race day, both, proper usage, etc.

 

[kaalgsio2]

Sides also include increased blood vicosity which can result in heart failure and stroke. Probably not something anyone would want to use unless they were competing professionally in an endurance sport.

http://www.roadcycling.com/news/printer251.shtml

Saw someone got booted from the Olympics for testing positive for it. Doesn't look like it has sides other than boosting blood pressure.

Anyone got any experience/knowledge to share about this? I read the first few links on google about it. Sounds like it's good for cardio - but not sure whether for training, race day, both, proper usage, etc.

 

[Dial_tone]

Saw someone got booted from the Olympics for testing positive for it. Doesn't look like it has sides other than boosting blood pressure.

Anyone got any experience/knowledge to share about this? I read the first few links on google about it. Sounds like it's good for cardio - but not sure whether for training, race day, both, proper usage, etc.

It has a major side effect called death. It thickens your blood to ridiculous levels...combine that with a low resting HR and cyclists are dying in their sleep left and right in their 20's.

 

[SlimJim300]

That only happens when you abuse the stuff... Competitive athletes are bad about that. Take mild to moderate dosages, stay properly hydrated, get your hemocrit levels checked and you're fine.

That stuff can turn a silicon valley geek into a triathlete in a month. Amazing.

 

[liquidmuscle]

epo isnt worth it imo, but you probably are just inquiring just like i did when i first heard about it

 

[Synpax]

Thanks all. I will put it on my list of items to investigate further.

The key paragraph from the article Kalgsio cited:

Although no direct links have been made between EPO and cycling deaths, anecdotal evidence is abundant. Too much r-EPO can increase hematocrit to the point that overall blood viscosity is increased making the blood like sludge. This thickened blood could cause the heart to work excessively hard, which may lead to a heart attack. Increasing hematocrit also increases the risk in the cyclist for clotting events, raises blood pressure, and resultant iron overload can ultimately lead to organ failure. Evidence has shown that long term EPO use may also possibly contribute to blood borne cancers.

 

[Dial_tone]

The main reason there are no direct links is because it stays in your system for such a short time. I read about pro cycling at www.cyclingnews.com alot and I have ZERO doubt whatsoever that it's killed people.....ALOT of them.

 

[Synpax]

As a follow-up, I think this is not something to use in conjunction with gear. I look forward to doing my first cylce in oct to bulk, and then a cut in March. Once the blood checks back out at the end of that, I will examine the possibility of this or some other oxygen-increasing substance.

 

[Dial_tone]

The benefits only last a week or so which is why it's used for a specific event; not long term training.

 

[Synpax]

The benefits only last a week or so which is why it's used for a specific event; not long term training.

Summer is when I expect to start doing some serious competition. The initial article says optimal benefits are 3 weeks after the start of injections.

Obviously, I need to do a hell of a lot more homework on this.

 

[juve]

Procrit is something I've been curious for a while now, although I would tamper with safer alternatives before I give it a shot (boldenone is quite notorious for its effect upon RBC production, stanozolol among other issues was designed to counter anemia that's why so many endurance athletes love it despite the alleged joint complications).

Procrit usage among other things requires constant hematocrit monitoring (the potential harms range from stroke to diabetes since high concentrations of RBC induce glucose intolerance) as well as the price tag is quite steep.

There are a few boards that discuss the issue of endurance ergogenics (pharmaceutical and OTC), including EPO, in great detail - from clinical studies to personal feedback. Let me know if you are interested.

 

[SlimJim300]

I'd be interested, juve.

 

[tybz28-#2]

Juve I am interested as well. Please PM me.

I think EPO or something with similar effects would help tremendously to my boxing endurance.

 

[Synpax]

Go ahead and hit us with the links.

 

[Synpax]

And btw - what's the easiest way to check your hemocrit levels?

 

[Judo Tom]

very interested in any supps that could increase endurance. please PM