Epistane, to PCT with Clomid, Nolva, or not?

[stevefdl]

I am getting confused. I am not new to lifting, but have always been natural.

I have been considering an Epistane cycle, and sought out info. I went to another forum last night, and the guys recommended Epistane for my first cycle instead of Superdrol. They also said to PCT with Clomid and/or Nolvadex.

Today, I was reading, and Nelson Montana says that Clomid is not needed, and that Nolva only treats symptoms, not the root. SO, if I need an anti-estogen, go the Proviron route.

Now, I am confused. On the other site, Montana is all but seen as the devil, but in reading his writing, he seems reliable.

What, if anything should I take with Epistane during the cycle?
How should I cycle? 3 weeks like Montana states, or longer?
What, if anything, should I PCT with?

I am 40 years old, an experienced lifter, and in great health (had my blood work done and everything is about the best it can be). I want to invest as little money as possible (I am a family man), and want the bare minimum for PCT and supplementation while remaining as safe as possible.

I have seen some logs where guys are gobbling 10-15 supplements along side their Epistane.

Please help.

 

[narshh]

while remaining as safe as possible.

I have seen some logs where guys are gobbling 10-15 supplements along side their Epistane.

Please help.

For a first cycle there is a lot to consider and you have given virtually no information such as "your complete stats" and "what you wish to achieve with this cycle", your lifting habits and plans are also necessary inclusions if you wish to receive an intelligent and informed response to you question(s).

 

[stevefdl]

For a first cycle there is a lot to consider and you have given virtually no information such as "your complete stats" and "what you wish to achieve with this cycle", your lifting habits and plans are also necessary inclusions if you wish to receive an intelligent and informed response to you question(s).

Tell me what stats you are looking for.

I am looking for increased muscle mass. I train primarily with heavy compounds, 4 to 6 days a week. Squats, deads, bench, et al.

 

[Primordial Performance]

A popular stack is Epistane and Dermacrine.

Dermacrine compliments the stack by supplying your body with more natural anabolic hormones such as androstendione, androstenediol, ect. This helps keep your libido and aggression up, while also adding to the lean gains.

More info here –
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...nabolic-androgenic-steroids-cycle-568661.html

You wouldn’t need an anti-estrogen during the cycle, but PCT should consist of either a low dose of clomid/nolva or our Sustain Alpha – which can be stacked or used in place of the clomid or nolva as a much healthier alternative.

-Pp

 

[stevefdl]

A popular stack is Epistane and Dermacrine.

Dermacrine compliments the stack by supplying your body with more natural anabolic hormones such as androstendione, androstenediol, ect. This helps keep your libido and aggression up, while also adding to the lean gains.

More info here –
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...nabolic-androgenic-steroids-cycle-568661.html

You wouldn’t need an anti-estrogen during the cycle, but PCT should consist of either a low dose of clomid/nolva or our Sustain Alpha – which can be stacked or used in place of the clomid or nolva as a much healthier alternative.

-Pp

Thanks for the input

 

[needtogetaas]

It is not good for pct. Its good on cycle or with derma or even by its self, but not for pct.

 

[stevefdl]

It is not good for pct. Its good on cycle or with derma or even by its self, but not for pct.

I think maybe I was misunderstood. I am not looking to use Epistane PCT. I am wondering if I need Clomid or Nolva with it...I have seen heated debate.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I think maybe I was misunderstood. I am not looking to use Epistane PCT. I am wondering if I need Clomid or Nolva with it...I have seen heated debate.

Are you saying there is a product called "Epistane PCT"?

Either way, I dont think you need clomid or nolva if your using something else and running a short cycle. For instance, Sustian Alpha would be all you need for PCT if your only planning on a 4-6 week cycle.


-Pp

 

[stevefdl]

Are you saying there is a product called "Epistane PCT"?

Either way, I dont think you need clomid or nolva if your using something else and running a short cycle. For instance, Sustian Alpha would be all you need for PCT if your only planning on a 4-6 week cycle.


-Pp

No, I meant I am not looking to Epistane during PCT.

I am only looking at a 3 week cycle.

 

[needtogetaas]

I think maybe I was misunderstood. I am not looking to use Epistane PCT. I am wondering if I need Clomid or Nolva with it...I have seen heated debate.

Yes bro you would need a light pct after using it. I would use sustain alpha. Pm me for a good discount.