Well Mikai, see it my way
There are a lot of younsters in my gym who train seriously (no roids) and guess what? No way they going to get a great body without roids. Sure you can reach a certain level naturally, but to make it to the top, you need "a bit more" then some Sust and Deca. Not so long ago Lee Priest claimed he was using 200 mgr of Deca a week? Yeah right.
It is very simple: the more mass you want the more you have to take.
And for the record natural in my book is....natural. Dont' give me the Cell Tech, the this and that, natural mains some proteine, some vitamins, a bit of iron pills ....
Just my opinion, no one has to agree.
Jeff