Either God does not exist or there is no free will.

[Lumberg]

L.C. that's kinda dumb. Lizards don't think.

Use a human example.

 

[Code]

If God already knows the choice you will make between "right and wrong", then in what way are you making a choice?

There is a lizard who either wants to walk straight or climb up a tree. God knows that he will walk straight. The lizard thinks he has a choice... does he?

God would simply know the choice nanoseconds before you made it during the decision making process but before commited.

Omniscience doesn't really have mean it's far reaching into time.

 

[Kastrodamus]

Time is subjective, too.

 

[WODIN]

Further time is asymetrical you think your going "Forward" for all you know you're going "backwards".

 

[decem]

who created god?

 

[Lift Chief]

God would simply know the choice nanoseconds before you made it during the decision making process but before commited.

Omniscience doesn't really have mean it's far reaching into time.

So you think God only knows what you're going to do 1/10th of a second before you make your choice? Hmmm... certainly doesn't seem like God is very powerful.

If this idea were true he'd have no idea what was going to come of us in the future.... God must know the future otherwise he is not God. God is by definition "all powerful"... what you're saying is putting limits on his power. That is not logical.

 

[Code]

So you think God only knows what you're going to do 1/10th of a second before you make your choice? Hmmm... certainly doesn't seem like God is very powerful.

If this idea were true he'd have no idea what was going to come of us in the future.... God must know the future otherwise he is not God. God is by definition "all powerful"... what you're saying is putting limits on his power. That is not logical.

I'm not limiting GOd's power, simply extending the power of choice.

 

[Lift Chief]

Further time is asymetrical you think your going "Forward" for all you know you're going "backwards".

I don't follow- can you explain?

Do you agree with my original post- what are your thoughts?

Lumberg: Dogg, i picked as simple of an example as possible. Without arguing about to what extent lizards make conscious choices- simply assume they do and analyze the analogy. If it makes you feel better... use "a human that can climb a tree".

 

[decem]

I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.
-- Albert Einstein

 

[distanced]

this is so at a preschool sunday school level. why don't you all try reading the Bible again and get a clue.