Either God does not exist or there is no free will.

[Lift Chief]

God is a being who is omnipotent and omniscient. If there is a God he must have these traits.

Therefore, in order for God to exist he must see and know everything about your future.

If he knows everything about your future you can not have free will as your decisions are already known.

So, either God does not exist, or there is no free will (which brings up other issues, obviously).

Thoughts...

A little heavy for 930 in the morning, but...

 

[jerkbox]

maybe the past and the future don't exist and there is only the present.

 

[decem]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
-- Epicurus

 

[decem]

God does exsist, believe me.

um.. ok.. but only because you said so.. and because you wrote a paper on it..

 

[Lumberg]

The simplest argument against the existence of god is

1) God is all powerful (by definition)

2) God is all good (by definition)

3) Bad things happen.

 

[Code]

Omnipotence and omniscience do not preclude a lack of free will. In fact, if there is a God His purpose is to inject as much free will into the entropic system of life so as to allow people to Choose between right and wrong.

 

[Advaik]

Correct, there is no free will.

Everything we decide on, everything we do, is already decided before we do it. We act on instinct and behavior alone. There is NO free will. I wrote an entire philosophical essay on this. God does exsist, believe me.

 

[Kastrodamus]

"right and wrong" is subjective.

We don't know. We'll never know. It's pointless to argue..

 

[Lift Chief]

Omnipotence and omniscience do not preclude a lack of free will. In fact, if there is a God His purpose is to inject as much free will into the entropic system of life so as to allow people to Choose between right and wrong.

If God already knows the choice you will make between "right and wrong", then in what way are you making a choice?

There is a lizard who either wants to walk straight or climb up a tree. God knows that he will walk straight. The lizard thinks he has a choice... does he?

 

[Lift Chief]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
-- Epicurus

That's another good quote along the same lines.


"he is able, but not willing"

People would say: He's letting the world run it's course... seeing the path people "choose" so that he can dole out punishment and rewards accordingly.