Eating To Grow

[Deleted member 33117]

I know overhead, Kaz is a dumbass, doesn't he know if you just ate some rice instead of eating such low carbs he could be 450 ibs with a 1000 ibs bench? Same here. I mean everyone at the gym wants to know my diet, drug stacks and everything because they think its impossible to be where I am with such a short amount of training time under my belt. Damn, if I had just been eating carbs for the last 3 years I could look like Ronnie Coleman. I feel so stupid now.

 

[overhead]

Maybe Kaz, Plumbo and the others are just freaks, and the rest of us cannot grow without carbs. I am really looking for the answer here. Somebody please tell me why if eating 5000-6000 calories a day of protein and fat, and either eating just enough carbs to refill muscle glycogen daily, or carbing up once a week, how growth will be effected. I must be missing something. Are large numbers of carbs required for muscle growth, or do they just fuel the workout? What happens to excess carbs after muscle glycogen is restored? How do they help in the actual process of building muscle? I very well maybe missing something. Somebody with more knowledge on this fill me in please.

 

[Screwball]

BodyByFinaplix,

15 lbs. of LBM by the end of the year with no fat gain... Yeah, right. You being a beginner will soon realize that the gains come easily early-on but they slow down as your training progresses. Perhaps, a bit of advice. If you were a bit more humble then board members would be more accepting of your advice. Tone that 20-year old ego down, please. Good luck!

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Screwball, sorry if I'm coming across as egotistical, its just that with this particular issue, being humble thus far hasn't had any effect. However, it seems that not being humble is having the same reaction. ::sigh:: Its simply an issue of people being stuck in a certain mindset, and aren't going to listen regardless of the aproach used I suspect. Yes, I think its obtainable though, the goal. I'm basing it on the fact that my gains will probably come a little slower with each passing year. A year ago, I gain about 20 ibs of lbm and got a little leaner in roughly the same peroid of time. So why, on a better routine, and a little more juice would it not be possible to replicate 75% of those results? Not that failure would totally disappoint me.

 

[louden_swain]

I mean everyone at the gym wants to know my diet, drug stacks and everything because they think its impossible to be where I am with such a short amount of training time under my belt.

Give me a break!!

Sounds like way too many newbies and inexperienced trainers running around.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

LoL. Ok, I'll be the nice guy and stop before this turns into one of those stupid flame wars.

:: puts up his white flag::

 

[overhead]

You are absolutely correct, I am an inexperienced trainer, only two years in the gym and only about 6 months of working real hard. My opinion on the needs for carbs was changed by a couple of books, bodybyfinaplix and my own experience on a low carb diet. My experience was losing weight while not losing strength with low carbs and pretty low calories is possible for me. I still have questions about putting on mass without carbs, but I have not found anything that would convince me that if calorie levels are high, protein and fat consumption is every three hours , why one would not put on mass. What would happen to someone, like me, that is around 196-200 pounds if I were to consume 5000 calories a day of fat and protein with very limited carbs? Would I lose weight? (that does not seem very likely), would I just put on fat? (not sure how that would work either), or would I see no gains at all? I am just trying to understand why carbs are required.

 

[pinoy]

carbs are required because insulin is the most anabolic hormone in our body, and carbs also increase leptin levels.

 

[MFMan]

good thread

 

[Deleted member 33117]

pinoy, hmmm... I disagree. You do an insulin only cycle and have your twin do a test only cycle at fairly high doses, with the same routine and see who gains the most lbm. I can assure you it will not be the insulin twin. You do not need a great deal of insulin to greatly enhance protien sythesis in muscle cells. You can get enough simply from eating protien. The higher blood sugar levels associated with higher carbohydrate intake also lowers many other anabolic hormones in the body such as hgh and a number of prostaglandins. I don't belive in continual low carbs, but rather in period carb ups, much like a CKD, to maximize the anabolic environment present. Perhaps that was not made clear on this thread. The massive bodybuilders and strongmen who do low carbs, do a cyclic diet. Alot of this has been covered in overheads other thread though, as well as some creditionals behind this theory. Its still on the active page on this forum.