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Pat_McCrotch
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the_alcatraz said:
why? not busting your chops but is it because you can't produce the same results while on AAS much less naturally?
Drug free bodybuilding my AAS!!!
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why? not busting your chops but is it because you can't produce the same results while on AAS much less naturally?
Pat_McCrotch
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the_alcatraz said:
Yea and all pitbulls are bad dogs ans not loyal
Pat_McCrotch
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ceo said:
agreed. and we preach this to soooo many noobs in the AAS forum then cme over here and tell them it cant happen in a thread like this one. C'mon isnt this hypocritical?
Pat_McCrotch
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about the vasclarity that say is AAS induced I call bullshit. there is this tri-athlete and he showed us his calves one day and his veins were the sive of my ante-cubital veins if not bigger. This guy doesnt lift he bikes runs and swims.
Beachboy6294
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GUARDIAN said:
I agree with you the last one is got to be lying! The other guys I'm not sure about because I know a couple young guys that are that big/ripped and I know they didn't juice for a fact. It's really hard to say unless I knew them but if their lying it really sucks!
The guy from TN's hair was killing me he must be a Tom Platz fan!!
seaking420
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personally I think all of those guys were on juice. I've been around bodybuilding for 15 years. I havent seen one person get so muscularly big and defined at such a young age natural.....not one...........so from what I've seen I dont buy it. I use to have thought this one kid was natural....believed the whole genetics thing.....told everyone it was natural....most believed and then it came out later that he was on cause he got caught with vials of hgh. People wont admit to you that they are on....they want everyone to think its from hard work.
javaguru
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Pat_McCrotch said:
Did he weigh 210 pounds? A vascular 210 probably means at least 225-230 when not on stage. A teen with that kind of mass naturally? The one guy claimed he started at 140lb @ age 15. I was 160@15 and was 190lbs@17. When I started lifting in college I gained 20 pounds the first year and 10 the second...then I juiced after I hit the 30 pound plateau for over six months, I tried everything to break it.
High school kids having raging test levels is a myth, they have raging HGH levels.
Tatyana
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Pat_McCrotch said:
It is.
I love what Dr. Colker said, he writes for MD mag and has a book I have been meaning to get.
I saw him speak at the Arnold during the training lectures
"If you don't think you can build a great physique without the use of AAS, you never will"
Like I keep saying, we seem to accept the natural variations in beauty, intelligence, and athletic abilities, like being faster or better hand eye co-ordination, but not in the natural variations that some people can build muscle much easier than others.
Some people also seem to have more of a drive, and remain more consistent when it comes to things like training and diet.
I do think that the media and culture of where you are has an impact on it, and the new documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger addresses this.
Tatyana said:
Thinking, believing and training can only take you so far. There ARE physical limits to everyone's growth. There is a genetic potential, and to break that AAS is neccessary. That's my 0.02.
Pat_McCrotch
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the_alcatraz said:
No one is debatng this. We are saying or atleast I am that you can be natural and make gains like this early on in ife without AAS. This thrad is a little hypocritical as I have said before.
It takes one thread like this to undo all the other threads of train natty and you cn get big/huge with your raging tst levels. tsk tsk tsk this thread was even started
